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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 07:18:08
May 26 2011 06:40 GMT
#6061
On May 26 2011 13:33 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 13:20 eshlow wrote:
On May 26 2011 12:58 Froadac wrote:
Bench press is killing me. Barely made it this week >.>

Everything else continued on track.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhNskixPW9hQdE9PX0ZSZFRJZUJBRHRQUzZHT3NwMmc&hl=en_US&authkey=COC5sqwI


Yeah, definitely up your DL by 10-15 lbs each week especially if i was easy like the last few times.

Generally, deadlift numbers will be higher than squat numbers! The fact that your squat is outgaining your DL now means you're probably strong enough to make a couple 15 lbs jumps 'specially if it has been feeling really easy recently

Yeah, I know. It'll catch up. I'll jump 15 pounds next time around.

Any advice for upper body stuff, or can gains be expected to be slower there?


Gains will almost always be slower with upper body. Look at anyone else lift stats' and you'll see their squats/DLs far out weigh their BP and OHP. Uploading new vids right now, I'll edit this post in 5.

As previously mentioned... videos from tonight's workout!

+ Show Spoiler +

185


-Chest still goes too low, it's like I'm almost turning it into a partial good morning?
-This was my 2nd set. My first set (which I didn't tape ofc) felt REALLY GOOD. How do I know it felt good? I could feel my ass literally squeeze when I hit parallel and go up. That's a good thing, or so I've been told.


+ Show Spoiler +

165 (I moved down to try and see what's up with my god damn form)

-Higher chest is better, still may be too low?


+ Show Spoiler +

BB Rows 115. This is the exercise I feel the where I go full retard


-My back is rounded (doh). It needs to be flat
-I'm looking directly down? I think I should be looking slightly forwards/down
-I just recently started doing barbell rows like 3 weeks ago and I've been messing with them trying to get the technique down rather than worrying about the weight. 115 didn't feel all that hard and I know I can do more, but I want good form first.
-I do a lot of chinups/neutral grip pullups so I'd like to think my back gets hit fairly hard already. That still shouldn't be an excuse not to do barbell rows


Any comments/advice/criticism is appreciated. If you guys feel like i'm posting too many vids I'll stop. I just appreciate the feedback I get from people on this forum A LOT more than from the people at the gym I go to...

FFGenerations: I did a few warmup sets of squats with a small wedge and while it didn't go exactly as I expected (I thought I'd fall flat on my face and I didn't), it didn't feel comfortable/right? That and i think it's damn near impossible for me to look up and squat while having my heels on a wedge. I don't try to look down when I squat so much as forwards? if that makes sense. I'm actually trying to stare at the top of the plank leaning against the wall (which was also used as the aforementioned wedge in my earlier warmup sets).
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 07:28:19
May 26 2011 07:13 GMT
#6062
On May 26 2011 15:34 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 15:22 Zafrumi wrote:
i'm at a crossroads: either start cutting a bit or keep bulking and buy a new wardrobe. pants and shirts are reeeeally tight.


Just don't wear clothes. Bam I just solved all your problems.


On May 26 2011 15:34 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Destroy old wardrobe by hulking out in public, acquire new wardrobe through violence.


mind = blown!

its actually sad that I've gained so much weight but my squat has barely gone up for a month at least my deadlift is still improving

@nemy: there is no such thing as "too many videos" !! keep posting
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
May 26 2011 08:19 GMT
#6063
On May 26 2011 15:40 nemY wrote:
Videos...


I think your problem is you're not sitting back into it enough. Stick your bum out like you're going to sit down on a seat, without bending so much at the waist
u gotta sk8
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
May 26 2011 13:07 GMT
#6064
On May 26 2011 13:33 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 13:20 eshlow wrote:
On May 26 2011 12:58 Froadac wrote:
Bench press is killing me. Barely made it this week >.>

Everything else continued on track.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhNskixPW9hQdE9PX0ZSZFRJZUJBRHRQUzZHT3NwMmc&hl=en_US&authkey=COC5sqwI


Yeah, definitely up your DL by 10-15 lbs each week especially if i was easy like the last few times.

Generally, deadlift numbers will be higher than squat numbers! The fact that your squat is outgaining your DL now means you're probably strong enough to make a couple 15 lbs jumps 'specially if it has been feeling really easy recently

Yeah, I know. It'll catch up. I'll jump 15 pounds next time around.

Any advice for upper body stuff, or can gains be expected to be slower there?


Think about how many muscles are used in the upper body exercises, and how big they are compared to lower body driven exercises.

Don't be afraid to reset those; I've reset squats twice, but press is going on 5? resets. Currently at 52kg/115lbs. Bench hasn't been reset that much, but that's because I started very very low relative to what I could do.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 14:58:03
May 26 2011 14:45 GMT
#6065
On May 26 2011 15:40 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 13:33 Froadac wrote:
On May 26 2011 13:20 eshlow wrote:
On May 26 2011 12:58 Froadac wrote:
Bench press is killing me. Barely made it this week >.>

Everything else continued on track.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhNskixPW9hQdE9PX0ZSZFRJZUJBRHRQUzZHT3NwMmc&hl=en_US&authkey=COC5sqwI


Yeah, definitely up your DL by 10-15 lbs each week especially if i was easy like the last few times.

Generally, deadlift numbers will be higher than squat numbers! The fact that your squat is outgaining your DL now means you're probably strong enough to make a couple 15 lbs jumps 'specially if it has been feeling really easy recently

Yeah, I know. It'll catch up. I'll jump 15 pounds next time around.

Any advice for upper body stuff, or can gains be expected to be slower there?


Gains will almost always be slower with upper body. Look at anyone else lift stats' and you'll see their squats/DLs far out weigh their BP and OHP. Uploading new vids right now, I'll edit this post in 5.

As previously mentioned... videos from tonight's workout!

+ Show Spoiler +

185
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muGthhKVr3o

-Chest still goes too low, it's like I'm almost turning it into a partial good morning?
-This was my 2nd set. My first set (which I didn't tape ofc) felt REALLY GOOD. How do I know it felt good? I could feel my ass literally squeeze when I hit parallel and go up. That's a good thing, or so I've been told.


+ Show Spoiler +

165 (I moved down to try and see what's up with my god damn form)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPgulQ1IHhk
-Higher chest is better, still may be too low?


+ Show Spoiler +

BB Rows 115. This is the exercise I feel the where I go full retard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi1jLqSsNbg

-My back is rounded (doh). It needs to be flat
-I'm looking directly down? I think I should be looking slightly forwards/down
-I just recently started doing barbell rows like 3 weeks ago and I've been messing with them trying to get the technique down rather than worrying about the weight. 115 didn't feel all that hard and I know I can do more, but I want good form first.
-I do a lot of chinups/neutral grip pullups so I'd like to think my back gets hit fairly hard already. That still shouldn't be an excuse not to do barbell rows


Any comments/advice/criticism is appreciated. If you guys feel like i'm posting too many vids I'll stop. I just appreciate the feedback I get from people on this forum A LOT more than from the people at the gym I go to...

FFGenerations: I did a few warmup sets of squats with a small wedge and while it didn't go exactly as I expected (I thought I'd fall flat on my face and I didn't), it didn't feel comfortable/right? That and i think it's damn near impossible for me to look up and squat while having my heels on a wedge. I don't try to look down when I squat so much as forwards? if that makes sense. I'm actually trying to stare at the top of the plank leaning against the wall (which was also used as the aforementioned wedge in my earlier warmup sets).


Your Barbell Rows are not good. As you wrote yourself, don't round your back. But furthermore, your whole body is in motion.
In a correct barbell row, nothing is in motion but your arms. Your back angle is parallel to the floor and does not change. Your hips don't move and your legs don't whip.

Here is the best instructional video I know for Rows


Every rep starts and finishes from the floor, like the deadlift. Keep your weight on your heels, that should make balance easier when the weights get heavier (at least it does for me).

I cannot really comment on your squat videos, I don't feel qualified to do so. I think your motion looks fine and I don't really know why you just barely get to parallel. As someone said a couple days ago, your stance looks really wide, which could limit the range of motion of your knees?
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 22:27:20
May 26 2011 22:26 GMT
#6066
So quite in this thread today, everyone lazy? Anyway:

Squat: 165kg 5-5-5
Bench: 67,5kg 5-5-5
Deadlift: 182,5kgx5 (tied my old PR)

I did use a more narrow stance today during squats, which allows me to go deeper. Felt better overall, I just widen my stance without noticing it over a period of time. I have to keep that in mind and test this a bit. Squats are a real bitch, so many little details -.-
Bench still as easy as it can be and I am satisfied with my form. I would like to position my feet differently, but I get cramps in my harmstrings if I bend them too much towards my ass.
The deadlift set was nasty. My form was not good form and the grip with my right hand simply sucks, I have to do something about that soon. But it still ties my old PR, so I am gonna take it. Will probably hold the weight constant or just increase by 2lb next time.

Besides that, I ate like crap the last couple of days. I need to get back on track here asap.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
May 26 2011 22:32 GMT
#6067
Gonna have another rage lifting session today! Turns out my old college fucked up my transcripts so i have to take my english class again. Definitely not what I want to be doing. 250 bench at 155 bw lets do it!!!!!
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
May 26 2011 22:34 GMT
#6068
I'm having a hard time staying out of the gym... so hit up some low intensity cardio
5 min bike
15 min stair master thing.
^this thing totally kicked my ass - when I get back to serious cutting again I'm gonna have to do this over the eliptical.

AM weight was 173... still losing but not even "cutting" anymore. Eating a shit load of food is a lot harder than eating less haha

But I also got 11 hours of sleep. Skipping class today was the best choice I've made in awhile lol
Victory Loves Preparation
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:46:38
May 26 2011 22:50 GMT
#6069
alright guys the lineup is worked out

I am playing the top players in our lineup, and the weakest players will be switched out for players who didn't get to play in week 1 if it goes to week 2 for us

1.) KnrPanda[xjupiter9x] NA (mid masters)
2.) loaf[sinep] EU (mid masters)
3.) ret EU (boss level)
4.) malinor EU (diamond)
5.) logros EU (mid masters)
6.) travis NA (high masters)
7.) ace match. will play ret


mojo, froadac, slithe, malinor, and kojaime are substitutes. and i will try to put at least some of them in next round if we survive this round.

if i forgot anyone please let me know
xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 22:57:28
May 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#6070
so when are we going to know who we are going to play? individual opponents from opposing threads team i mean. so we can coordinate when to play and what not. Also i hope i dont play ZvP. confidence is not high in that matchup right now =(
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#6071
first I have to have some more communication with the tournament organizer on how this is actually going to work..

he originally said that games would be played at each team's convenience but in his latest post he put down a specific date and time at which all games would be played and for our team that doesn't work at all.. we would straight up have to forfeit. they need to be played at our convenience.


if it is allowed so that we can play our games at our convenience, i assume ill be sent the opposing team's roster via pm and then i can pm you each your opponent and their identifiers.
Zepish
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada160 Posts
May 26 2011 23:06 GMT
#6072
When doing squats, I think my back starts to round before I hit parallel... I searched around and found that it was probably due to my hamstrings being not flexible enough. Do you guys have specific streches you do to help with squatting ?
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:11:14
May 27 2011 01:08 GMT
#6073
nataziel and Malinor thanks for the feedback.

nataziel: I swear that's what I'm doing... or at least what I think I'm doing, but yeah the results show otherwise.

Malinor: I'm trying to do barbell rows based off the stronglifts guide http://stronglifts.com/how-to-perform-the-barbell-row-with-proper-technique/ which suggests having the bar start and finish on the floor each rep and using your hip muscles to start the bar off, but I agree my form fucking blows for bb rows. Oh yeah I think you (and phyre) are right in that my feet are too wide when I squat. I do this almost unconsciously I think when I feel like the weight's getting heavy.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
May 27 2011 01:21 GMT
#6074
On May 26 2011 07:50 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 05:24 shinosai wrote:
Joining a real gym isn't really an option until September because I'm moving. And most gyms around here require a membership from anywhere from 9 to 12 months. So I have to work with what I have. And given what I have I was wondering what the best work out would be.

Also, I'll keep in mind what you said about cheerios being bad, making eggs doesn't sound like a bad idea. No time for cooking bacon, though. Also not sure how turkey sandwich and salad isn't real food. Sure I might add some condiments but I don't feel like this is much of a big deal, the majority of it is real food.

re: "Real food"
http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/6/4/nutrition-101-the-one-rule-to-remember/

It's a little extreme, but you get the idea.


Damn man I swear everytime I read this I cringe because that pretty much eliminates:
Milk (unless it's raw which I can't drink because of Lactose Intolerance)
Yogurt (even Greek Yogurt!)
These little premade salads I usually buy from Safeway (I substitute olive oil for their typical premade dressing)
Baconators from Wendy's (they're so good!)

and a whole host of other things I can't think of right now...
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:51:33
May 27 2011 01:29 GMT
#6075
On May 27 2011 08:06 Zepish wrote:
When doing squats, I think my back starts to round before I hit parallel... I searched around and found that it was probably due to my hamstrings being not flexible enough. Do you guys have specific streches you do to help with squatting ?


Just google "hamstring stretches" and spend maybe 10 minutes per day doing them.

Rant.
+ Show Spoiler +

I swear my family is trying everything they can to stall me from going to the gym. First, there's some "deal" my mother gets at a local university for letting their students shadow in her classroom. Then she doesn't know who to talk to to cash in on this deal. Then I might as well just pay the $20/month to go to that university gym anyway. But wait, why don't you check out this other (commercial) gym that is clearly much more expensive and has worse hours? because it's closer. Oh, it doesn't have the weights you need? Well can't you go anyway and do something else? No? Well, what was it you mentioned about bodyweight training a week ago? Oh, you still need a way to train legs? Well I can probably get you into your old high school gym starting in a month for that. No? well look into that $20/month thing. Oh, they want you to pay for parking? let me talk to someone, I get free parking there.

Clearly, someone doesn't want me going to the gym. I don't understand how 65 dollars for three months of lifting and parking is a big deal, but I need to borrow it from my parents as my summer job won't have me paid until july. I also don't have a car of my own, and the gym IS ~20 minutes away, so I need them to approve of me going there. But it's been three weeks now of discussion, and two since I've been home, and I am no closer to going to the gym than when it all began. FML.

Also, they continue to roll their eyes at any meal, when I ignore the bread/pasta, or the corn, peanuts, and various other foods I don't eat right now, each and every time I take my vitamins in front of them, or when I need to run to the store for another gallon of milk every three days. I don't see how trying to be healthy is offensive to them, especially when my mother complains daily about how old she feels, how poorly her pants are fitting, how my sisters have both gained weight, or when my father has to watch his cholesterol and blood pressure so carefully, having a family history of heart problems, and also having had a "something" ~1.5 years ago that put him in the hospital for minor surgery. They're not healthy, but Why is ME trying to be such a terrible thing?


I mad.

I also, after two days of reading still have NO IDEA how to go about structuring a bodyweight training routine. I'm a complete beginner when it comes to gymnastic ability - hell, I don't have the balance to stand on one foot sometimes, let alone do a proper handstand. But I'm really interested in learning these techniques, it just seems much more difficult to build a routine than barbell training, where SL and SS are quite simple.

I read most of eshlow's article, and now I understand the theory behind building a beginners routine, the rep schemes, the way to determine progression, but I still don't know how to pick specific exercises, how to actually PERFORM most of them, what kind of equipment is required for each.

Can someone who has experience in bodyweight training maybe link me to the bodyweight equivalent of a SS routine? something pre-made for beginners that will challenge a complete novice like me, but not leave me wasting my time (like with machines) or worse, hurting myself?

I really hope this type of thing exists =/
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#6076
Ty travis.

113 lbs now.

Still don't look any bigger. SO strange.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:34:45
May 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#6077
On May 27 2011 10:21 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 07:50 Cambium wrote:
On May 26 2011 05:24 shinosai wrote:
Joining a real gym isn't really an option until September because I'm moving. And most gyms around here require a membership from anywhere from 9 to 12 months. So I have to work with what I have. And given what I have I was wondering what the best work out would be.

Also, I'll keep in mind what you said about cheerios being bad, making eggs doesn't sound like a bad idea. No time for cooking bacon, though. Also not sure how turkey sandwich and salad isn't real food. Sure I might add some condiments but I don't feel like this is much of a big deal, the majority of it is real food.

re: "Real food"
http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/6/4/nutrition-101-the-one-rule-to-remember/

It's a little extreme, but you get the idea.


Damn man I swear everytime I read this I cringe because that pretty much eliminates:
Milk (unless it's raw which I can't drink because of Lactose Intolerance)
Yogurt (even Greek Yogurt!)
These little premade salads I usually buy from Safeway (I substitute olive oil for their typical premade dressing)
Baconators from Wendy's (they're so good!)

and a whole host of other things I can't think of right now...


it's just a guideline, you can diverge as much as you want from it.

Beer ftw; I would love a beer tree though...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:36:06
May 27 2011 01:35 GMT
#6078
On May 27 2011 07:50 travis wrote:
alright guys the lineup is worked out

I am playing the top players in our lineup, and the weakest players will be switched out for players who didn't get to play in week 1 if it goes to week 2 for us

1.) KnrPanda[xjupiter9x] NA (mid masters)
2.) loaf[sinep] EU (mid masters)
3.) ret EU (boss level)
4.) chease NA (high masters)
5.) logros EU (mid masters)
6.) travis NA (high masters)
7.) ace match. will play ret


mojo, froadac, slithe, malinor, and kojaime are substitutes. and i will try to put at least some of them in next round if we survive this round.

if i forgot anyone please let me know


tyler isn't playing for us?

ret ftw

this is one of the very few occasions that i wish i had played SC2
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 01:47:05
May 27 2011 01:44 GMT
#6079
Actually I am sneakily editting my post right now. I just realized we shouldn't play all our top players in the first round, so we can play more top players in the finals if we make it.

So the roster is slightly changing sorry

I switched chease with malinor.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 27 2011 01:47 GMT
#6080
On May 27 2011 10:35 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 07:50 travis wrote:
alright guys the lineup is worked out

I am playing the top players in our lineup, and the weakest players will be switched out for players who didn't get to play in week 1 if it goes to week 2 for us

1.) KnrPanda[xjupiter9x] NA (mid masters)
2.) loaf[sinep] EU (mid masters)
3.) ret EU (boss level)
4.) chease NA (high masters)
5.) logros EU (mid masters)
6.) travis NA (high masters)
7.) ace match. will play ret


mojo, froadac, slithe, malinor, and kojaime are substitutes. and i will try to put at least some of them in next round if we survive this round.

if i forgot anyone please let me know


tyler isn't playing for us?

ret ftw

this is one of the very few occasions that i wish i had played SC2


tyler didn't want to pick sides between hon or lol or w/e and H&F

and ret took some pleading but i got him to say yes, lol
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