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ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
March 08 2011 08:47 GMT
#2261
On March 08 2011 09:55 Alexson wrote:
Yo Eshlow, you might want to make a part of your thread about how you don't need protein right after your workout like many people think you do lol


what do you mean by this?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2262
On March 08 2011 17:47 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 09:55 Alexson wrote:
Yo Eshlow, you might want to make a part of your thread about how you don't need protein right after your workout like many people think you do lol


what do you mean by this?


I think what he means is that the whole thing about eating immediately following a workout is a myth. A lot of people say that there is a 30 minute time window after a workout to absorb nutrients, when in fact it's more like 24 hours.

Of course, if someone has other information, I'd like to see it.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
March 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#2263
On March 08 2011 16:17 Drowsy wrote:
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On March 08 2011 09:51 nemY wrote:
Me squatting 150 lbs. How's my form?





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I don't think I get low enough to hit parallel :[. Should I deload and try and squat deeper with a lighter weight? 150 didn't feel that hard to me, but I think that's because I'm not squatting deep enough.


I haven't got to meet with my personal trainer yet, because he's had a bout of flu, but I still can't wait to meet him. He's an oldschool type of trainer. Who can say they've done climbed Lombard St. with 308 lbs on their backs? (admittedly a really old video)




Way deeper, like a solid 6-10 inches. None of them were even close. Close down your stance a lot, you're too wide which is making it hard to hit depth and causing your knees to cave. Do lots of hip/glute/ankle flexibility work; I suspect your depth issues are partially a result of immobility.

agreed on the depth. those were actually half squats to be honest. you want your hips to be level with your knees at the very least.

i'm sure once your trainer comes in he'll address the finer points of the movement.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13425 Posts
March 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#2264
Guys, need to reset squats. Cant get through 3x5 @ 112.5kgs.

What level should I reset to? I remember when doing strong lifts they suggested -10%. Should I apply this or go lower?

thanks!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
March 08 2011 11:16 GMT
#2265
10% is good. i'd reset to 100kg
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 08 2011 12:05 GMT
#2266
Maxed out on both Squats and Deadlifts yesterday, then I drank for 8 hours and jumped around in the pool. I could barely walk today.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
March 08 2011 12:10 GMT
#2267
On March 08 2011 21:05 Energies wrote:
Maxed out on both Squats and Deadlifts yesterday, then I drank for 8 hours and jumped around in the pool. I could barely walk today.


Max posts don't count if you forget to post numbers

@NemY: You need to go a whooooole lot lower. Chest position and back looked fine though. You might want to watch "So you think you can Squat" from EFS (although they are talking about box squats you could learn a lot from it)
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 08 2011 12:13 GMT
#2268
142.5kg squat, 165kg deadlift.

42.5kg press LOL

Yeah, mofo, gangsta shoulders.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 08 2011 12:49 GMT
#2269
On March 08 2011 21:13 Energies wrote:
142.5kg squat, 165kg deadlift.

42.5kg press LOL

Yeah, mofo, gangsta shoulders.


Nice squats. Was that 5 reps?
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 08 2011 13:56 GMT
#2270
I'm not 100% certain, my spotter moved forward on the 5th rep and had a couple of fingers on either side of my waist.

My 5x5 isn't as hard I guess, I don't go 5x5 the same weight with squats, in the above instance I went.

8x60kg warmup.

5x100, 5x110, 5x120, 5x130, 5x142.5
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
March 08 2011 13:57 GMT
#2271
On March 08 2011 22:56 Energies wrote:
I'm not 100% certain, my spotter moved forward on the 5th rep and had a couple of fingers on either side of my waist.

My 5x5 isn't as hard I guess, I don't go 5x5 the same weight with squats, in the above instance I went.

8x60kg warmup.

5x100, 5x110, 5x120, 5x130, 5x142.5


Great squat but lol shoulders
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
March 08 2011 14:02 GMT
#2272
On March 08 2011 21:13 Energies wrote:
142.5kg squat, 165kg deadlift.

42.5kg press LOL

Yeah, mofo, gangsta shoulders.

Press is a fucking bitch. Definitely my worst lift
u gotta sk8
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 08 2011 14:28 GMT
#2273
On March 08 2011 21:10 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 21:05 Energies wrote:
Maxed out on both Squats and Deadlifts yesterday, then I drank for 8 hours and jumped around in the pool. I could barely walk today.


Max posts don't count if you forget to post numbers

@NemY: You need to go a whooooole lot lower. Chest position and back looked fine though. You might want to watch "So you think you can Squat" from EFS (although they are talking about box squats you could learn a lot from it)


On most of those reps I would say another two-three inches puts him at parallel. By no means is he approaching atg, but you don't really have to go atg depending on your goals in the movement, right?

Back and shoulder position looks really good. No significant forward lean, no rounding - so flexibility is not the problem. Just force out those extra few inches!
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
March 08 2011 14:44 GMT
#2274
On March 08 2011 23:28 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 21:10 sJarl wrote:
On March 08 2011 21:05 Energies wrote:
Maxed out on both Squats and Deadlifts yesterday, then I drank for 8 hours and jumped around in the pool. I could barely walk today.


Max posts don't count if you forget to post numbers

@NemY: You need to go a whooooole lot lower. Chest position and back looked fine though. You might want to watch "So you think you can Squat" from EFS (although they are talking about box squats you could learn a lot from it)


On most of those reps I would say another two-three inches puts him at parallel. By no means is he approaching atg, but you don't really have to go atg depending on your goals in the movement, right?

Back and shoulder position looks really good. No significant forward lean, no rounding - so flexibility is not the problem. Just force out those extra few inches!


I dunno, I've always felt more comfortable going ass to grass. But hopefully he'll go a little lower, rerecord himself and check it out.

On the other hand I should prolly try do some box squats and see if they are easier on my knees. Can't compete in a meet with no squat.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 08 2011 16:08 GMT
#2275
If you don't have the flexibility to accommodate it, and starting out most people wont, you are going to hurt yourself going atg. I would say better off bbuilding up to it, if anything? Also, personal experience tells me that the lower you go, the easier on the knee, because the more hams/flutes you use compared to quads. That depends on what's stressing your knee though I suppose.

Got a physiology exam that's almost entirely on the way actin and myosin work to make muscles contract, with a particular focus on the roll of calcium in that interaction. The main reason I understand what is going on is this thread, and all the vitamin d hype. Also have a cellular bio exam where half the material is actin and myosin - less focus on calcium,but it's still important. Eshlow, when I get A's on these exams, it's all thanks to you.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-08 19:58:58
March 08 2011 19:58 GMT
#2276
On March 08 2011 19:40 RowdierBob wrote:
Guys, need to reset squats. Cant get through 3x5 @ 112.5kgs.

What level should I reset to? I remember when doing strong lifts they suggested -10%. Should I apply this or go lower?

thanks!


On March 08 2011 20:16 Zafrumi wrote:
10% is good. i'd reset to 100kg


Reset so that you hit you'll hit a new max about 1.5 weeks away... so in about 5 workouts so.

Do 10 lbs/5 kg jumps coming back up so basically 112.5 kg drops down about 20kg (-15-20% or so reduction) to 92.5 kgs then ramp up 5kg per workout until you bust your plateau and/or have to drop back down to 2.5kg progress.

Reason being dropping down further allows the body to get in some lighter workouts for better recovery if underrecovery was an issue rather than just drop down -10% because the weight is heavy enough that your recover won't be as good
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
March 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#2277
On March 08 2011 18:53 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 17:47 Sinep wrote:
On March 08 2011 09:55 Alexson wrote:
Yo Eshlow, you might want to make a part of your thread about how you don't need protein right after your workout like many people think you do lol


what do you mean by this?


I think what he means is that the whole thing about eating immediately following a workout is a myth. A lot of people say that there is a 30 minute time window after a workout to absorb nutrients, when in fact it's more like 24 hours.

Of course, if someone has other information, I'd like to see it.


ah like that.
yeah, a lot of people will chug their precious protein shakes within 5min of a workout....
my take on it is as long as you're going to eat within 3 hours of a workout, it's pointless
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 08 2011 21:23 GMT
#2278
Just a few hours of sleep + no breakfast + small lunch + late dinner = horrible workout. Couldn't even squat 90 kg even though I was going for 102.5 kg today. Press increased to 45 kg but I didn't even bother 50 kg power clean, could barely do 40 kg with proper form.


Another thing that keeps me from doing squats is pain right here:
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[image loading]

At the same spot where the stretch is when you are doing side split


When I'm squatting up again I get a sharp pain, often on the right side. Otherwise it just feels like I'm really sore. Am I doing too much weight or something?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
March 08 2011 22:49 GMT
#2279
On March 09 2011 06:23 Necosarius wrote:
Just a few hours of sleep + no breakfast + small lunch + late dinner = horrible workout. Couldn't even squat 90 kg even though I was going for 102.5 kg today. Press increased to 45 kg but I didn't even bother 50 kg power clean, could barely do 40 kg with proper form.


Another thing that keeps me from doing squats is pain right here:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

At the same spot where the stretch is when you are doing side split


When I'm squatting up again I get a sharp pain, often on the right side. Otherwise it just feels like I'm really sore. Am I doing too much weight or something?


The adductors are quite vulnerable to injury so make sure to warm them up properly each time and some prehab work might be very useful.

Today's workout:

BB Bench Press: 5 sets of 82,5kg x 5 (+2,5kg)
Close Grip BP: 70kg x 5 (shit...was planning on 2 sets of 8)
Pressdowns: 3pl x 12, 4pl x 10 and 6pl x 6 (long time since I did those, dunno why I stopped since they were doing good stuff for my tris)
Some abs

Happy with the progression on the flat bench. Time to crush the 85kg plateau.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 02:01:06
March 09 2011 01:58 GMT
#2280
Just squatted barefoot and my god, was it awesome.
Hit 225 no problem, now on to more PR territory.

I love feeling amazing when I get done lifting lol

Squat:225x5(reps)x3
Overhead Press: 100x1x1, Failed miserably lol knew I would, time for my reset.
Chin Ups: BW + 20 lbs.

Working on spreading my knees, as was told, and the only time I had my knees go in was on my very last rep of my last set. Ah well, gotta work on it.
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