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lac29
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
Then tried at the beach in Portugal and it's just way too tiring and subject to the wind. | ||
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anImaru
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 06 2010 08:08 anImaru wrote: Needs contact to be a real sport There is quite a bit of contact in ultimate frisbee actually. I've seen worse injuries in ultimate than any other "pickup" sports I've played (bball, tennis, baseball, soccer ... and I don't play much ultimate nowadays anyways). There's a lot of contact when someone throws a floater up ... and blocking throws hurts like heck. I've seen someone cut a huge gash in his face that leaked buckets of blood and had to be stitched up because of a frisbee to the face at point blank. Diving/laying out for the frisbee also gives you plenty of intimate time with the grass without having to have a player come into contact with you. | ||
thedeadhaji
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On March 06 2010 07:33 TrueRedemption wrote: Its an ultimate tradition than durring any discussion of atheletes in Ultimate the following video be linked: I spent the past four years playing for Jojah, which allowed me to not only compete with and against the top athletes across the college level, but also meet and watch/play many of the top names in the sport. I played at the College Open National Championship, Centex, Stanford, Queen City and many other college and club tournaments each year there. I can personally assure you nearly all top players all display a mid D1 level of raw athleticism, and those who wouldn't catch a D1 coach's eye for having potential all have a specialized skill set comparable to golf or pitching. These top athletes are largely spread out across the country however, requiring college and even club teams to fill the extra roster spots with the best they can find. These remaining players are usually D2 level athletes still devoted to the competition and comraderie of sports comparable to competitive adult rec soccer leagues. Raw athletic prowess aside, ultimate is much like starcraft in its complexity and depth. The highest level games are controlled by what pace each team's offense dictates. There are often very few turnovers in top level ultimate, because the offense has developed an extremely effecient playstyle. For clarity a team is on offense when the point starts by them recieving the disc, where as a team is on defense when the points starts by them pulling the disc to the offense. In ultimate the concept of "the best defense is a good offense" reigns, if your team won the flip and scored every single point they recieved, you could not lose the game. Good defense functions only by making up for offensive mistakes, and/or separating a better team from a worse team by forcing and capitalizing on the worse team's mistakes. Overall any game with this type of structure will always be boring to an unfamiliar observer, because the offense oriented game play is full of nuance and precision that the new spectator is oblivious to. Amazing plays of athleticism are great to watch, but a good offense knows better than to depend on the chances of those plays, thus avoiding them. Ultimate is an incredible sport, but like many other sports its total spectator value will never be quite that of football basketball or soccer. How could a sport in which no player is able to single handedly do anything without a teammate ever compare to the individual dominating preformances of Lebron and Kobe, Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush, or Drogba and Gerrard? Ultimate may not have quite the raw athletes of these major sports, but at the top it is closer than most would give it credit for. One has to realize it is more the style of the sport which limits its spectator value, not the ability of the players. The problem with best players being about mid level D1 athletes is that you're getting a second rate product. It's kind of like why people wouldn't want to watch the WNBA, but less extreme. You're watching a sport where the only reason the current players aren't getting completely dominated is because the great athletes don't feel like playing it. Say their deep is Lebron James, what's your defense plan against him? This is too bad, since ultimate would be much more compelling if you knew the best players were playing, and because it's nice to have sports that aren't highly dependent on being 6'6" or taller or risking concussions and future dementia. There's complexity, but compare the learning curve to other sports. A great athlete who just starts playing ultimate can become a very good player in maybe a year in a good environment. Compare that to QBs and basketball centers and point guards. And personally I think tournaments devalue performance. If you have to ration yourself out for 12 hours of play over two days, you're just not playing as hard as, say NFL players. And in the NFL, there's 12.5 minutes of action in an entire game, so with offense and defense and substitutions, you're playing all out for about 3-6 minutes a week. NBA players are dead tired if they try to play 48 minutes in a playoff game or back to backs, and it's not because they're out of shape. | ||
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MannerMan
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On March 06 2010 07:33 TrueRedemption wrote: Its an ultimate tradition than durring any discussion of atheletes in Ultimate the following video be linked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kst2yrNJolY&feature=related + Show Spoiler + I spent the past four years playing for Jojah, which allowed me to not only compete with and against the top athletes across the college level, but also meet and watch/play many of the top names in the sport. I played at the College Open National Championship, Centex, Stanford, Queen City and many other college and club tournaments each year there. I can personally assure you nearly all top players all display a mid D1 level of raw athleticism, and those who wouldn't catch a D1 coach's eye for having potential all have a specialized skill set comparable to golf or pitching. These top athletes are largely spread out across the country however, requiring college and even club teams to fill the extra roster spots with the best they can find. These remaining players are usually D2 level athletes still devoted to the competition and comraderie of sports comparable to competitive adult rec soccer leagues. Raw athletic prowess aside, ultimate is much like starcraft in its complexity and depth. The highest level games are controlled by what pace each team's offense dictates. There are often very few turnovers in top level ultimate, because the offense has developed an extremely effecient playstyle. For clarity a team is on offense when the point starts by them recieving the disc, where as a team is on defense when the points starts by them pulling the disc to the offense. In ultimate the concept of "the best defense is a good offense" reigns, if your team won the flip and scored every single point they recieved, you could not lose the game. Good defense functions only by making up for offensive mistakes, and/or separating a better team from a worse team by forcing and capitalizing on the worse team's mistakes. Overall any game with this type of structure will always be boring to an unfamiliar observer, because the offense oriented game play is full of nuance and precision that the new spectator is oblivious to. Amazing plays of athleticism are great to watch, but a good offense knows better than to depend on the chances of those plays, thus avoiding them. Ultimate is an incredible sport, but like many other sports its total spectator value will never be quite that of football basketball or soccer. How could a sport in which no player is able to single handedly do anything without a teammate ever compare to the individual dominating preformances of Lebron and Kobe, Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush, or Drogba and Gerrard? Ultimate may not have quite the raw athletes of these major sports, but at the top it is closer than most would give it credit for. One has to realize it is more the style of the sport which limits its spectator value, not the ability of the players. I guess I'll post the obligatory, "TRAVEL!" | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 06 2010 09:40 igotmyown wrote: There's complexity, but compare the learning curve to other sports. A great athlete who just starts playing ultimate can become a very good player in maybe a year in a good environment. Compare that to QBs and basketball centers and point guards. For every position except handler this may be true. But I doubt you can teach a D1 quarterback how to become a top level handler in 1 year. Possible but probably not. All the other run and catch positions it's probably true that they can become top ultimate frisbee players with a little bit of basic throwing skills. | ||
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
That said, I do love this game. Anyone know of pick up games in the Seattle area? | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On March 05 2010 23:56 tree.hugger wrote: The fact that GOP (the Carleton B-Team) regularly makes regionals, to say nothing of CUT winning nationals last year is insane. We didn't make it to Exit 69 this year, but I'd like to next year. - Macalester yeah and then GOP won D3 nationals last year too so we were D1 (well, Deveryone) and D3 champs last year. and listen, of course frisbee players could be more athletic if they were all nfl wide receivers. just make it an NCAA sport already, and you'll see the athletes come. and I can say that schools do recruit for frisbee in some sense... well carleton does anyway, but maybe that's just because we like clinging to the fact that a school with 2000 undergrads has a top national team every year. | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 06 2010 14:24 skronch wrote: who do you play for that you are going to high tide this year? our team went to high tide session 3 after years of doing a huck of the irish / georgia southerns spring break and it was massively disappointing Really? Have to say I'm having a great time so far. Brunswick/Saint Simons is a great location, chill and pretty. Tournament is pretty competitive without being absolutely intense. Also, new pair of cleats is making a hell of a difference. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 06 2010 02:38 Liquid`NonY wrote: fun to play but boring to watch since the elite players are some of the least athletic of any sport. the best amateurs of football/basketball/track blow away pro ultimate players Agreed, but I don't think it's just because of the quality of player. The layouts are exciting but the regular possession passing is present in lacrosse, hockey and soccer, but they do it in full motion and taking on physical contact. It adds to different strategies, but it makes it more boring imo. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On March 06 2010 08:20 lac29 wrote: There is quite a bit of contact in ultimate frisbee actually. I've seen worse injuries in ultimate than any other "pickup" sports I've played (bball, tennis, baseball, soccer ... and I don't play much ultimate nowadays anyways). There's a lot of contact when someone throws a floater up ... and blocking throws hurts like heck. I've seen someone cut a huge gash in his face that leaked buckets of blood and had to be stitched up because of a frisbee to the face at point blank. Diving/laying out for the frisbee also gives you plenty of intimate time with the grass without having to have a player come into contact with you. Part of the problem is that a lot of the athletes are strong without proper knowledge of warm ups and stuff. Trying to train like D2 or D3 level athletes with none of the training or the support facilities. | ||
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icystorage
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Malingo
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