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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On March 05 2010 20:42 Malingo wrote:Hammer FTW! Is everyone talking about the hammer toss? Do people actually do those in ultimate? I thought they were just a fun way to mess around with a frisbee. A hammer toss seems like it would be more difficult to catch because it's upside down. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14910 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 05 2010 23:59 Durak wrote: Is everyone talking about the hammer toss? Do people actually do those in ultimate? I thought they were just a fun way to mess around with a frisbee. A hammer toss seems like it would be more difficult to catch because it's upside down. The hammer is one of the most used throws in frisbee, after your straight forehand and backhand. A hammer is a little more difficult to catch than a normal throw, but that's not an excuse, it's pretty simple to catch, and not hard to learn. It's useful in several situations, but they almost all involve a throw over a mark (defender) to a player who's poached (open) in some way. If the disc is on the end zone line, with cutters and handlers locked up, the throw of last resort is often a hammer to the back corner. Similarly, a hammer is a safe way to swing the disc over a mark that's trying to pin the disc on the sideline, or for a break-side throw. The hammer is actually a very safe throw if you throw it properly, and incredibly difficult for a mark to block, since you release it behind your head. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
This is one sport I should start playing competitively. Ultimate is always a lot of fun. | ||
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Kentucky
United States63 Posts
Height and vertical leap and acceleration are so valuable here | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
On March 06 2010 00:24 Kentucky wrote: If this sport skyrocketed in popularity it would be dominated by Africans Height and vertical leap and acceleration are so valuable here This is so true. I love to play ultimate with teams of friends and I use to be really good. But once I got to college I realized I didn't know how to play and quit. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
games hella fun | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
Especially enjoy indoor. The best is in a single basketball court, with walls as close to the sides as possible (there is no "out of bounds"). Less running, but more positioning, short-sprinting and throwing accuracy, which plays to what strengths I have. --oberon | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On March 06 2010 00:07 tree.hugger wrote: The hammer is one of the most used throws in frisbee, after your straight forehand and backhand. A hammer is a little more difficult to catch than a normal throw, but that's not an excuse, it's pretty simple to catch, and not hard to learn. It's useful in several situations, but they almost all involve a throw over a mark (defender) to a player who's poached (open) in some way. If the disc is on the end zone line, with cutters and handlers locked up, the throw of last resort is often a hammer to the back corner. Similarly, a hammer is a safe way to swing the disc over a mark that's trying to pin the disc on the sideline, or for a break-side throw. The hammer is actually a very safe throw if you throw it properly, and incredibly difficult for a mark to block, since you release it behind your head. The hammer is one of the most overused throws in ultimate. Of course if they're wide open and your backhand is a worse look (zone), then go ahead. But there's a guy who keep stats at tournaments, and backhands end up being 90% completion, forehands 80%, and hammers 50%. It's the throw of choice of too many egotistic handlers who have no remorse over turnovers, and believe that just because they can get it to the receiver, they should throw it. The basketball analogue would be a Rasheed Wallace continually tossing up 3 pointers with a 30% fg%, only with worse overall success. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 06 2010 02:38 Liquid`NonY wrote: fun to play but boring to watch since the elite players are some of the least athletic of any sport. the best amateurs of football/basketball/track blow away pro ultimate players Really? I've always thought that ultimate combined the stamina needed for soccer, the hops needed for bball, and the finesse/skill needed from whatever else (tennis maybe?). Sure if you have a big tall guy your team can dominate without being too athletic, but from my experience you need to be in pretty good shape to last an entire ultimate game (the finesse/skill in throwing is also an added difficulty compared to simply running in track/XC/ and even to some extent football). | ||
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bp1696
United States288 Posts
It's a great pick up game for people of all fitness levels, because you can always have a role even if you're not particularly athletic. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On March 06 2010 05:09 lac29 wrote: Really? I've always thought that ultimate combined the stamina needed for soccer, the hops needed for bball, and the finesse/skill needed from whatever else (tennis maybe?). Sure if you have a big tall guy your team can dominate without being too athletic, but from my experience you need to be in pretty good shape to last an entire ultimate game (the finesse/skill in throwing is also an added difficulty compared to simply running in track/XC/ and even to some extent football). The best ultimate players are former Div1 athletes from other sports (usually because they discover they love Ultimate). The best talent goes where the money is, so it makes sense that the best athletes aren't in "fringe" sports like Ultimate. I'm not saying that there aren't athletic people, its just that the top players in any non-mainstream sport without a real professional scene (no NFL, NBA etc) are not going to be nearly as athletic. Just look at US soccer -- one of the main reasons we aren't great in that sport is because the best American athletes are in the NBA and NFL. If US soccer had the same talent pool as basketball or football, with the Lebrons and Iversons learning soccer from a young age, we'd be a world power in it. Talent goes where the money is. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
What people are failing to realize is that tournaments are crazy demanding. You play nonstop basically the entire game. Tournaments usually last at least 2 or more days and on each day you can be expected to play three or more games. No matter how much of an athlete you are, it's expected for the majority of players to have debilitating cramps at least once during the tournament. I've played competitive soccer and competitive tennis, but I've never been so tired as when I play competitive ultimate. And it's totally a spectator sport, wtf :O It's like when someone throws a football 50-60 yards to a guy who is running full sprint with someone at his tail - they both leap up and try to get it, usually laying out because its just out of reach... except anyone can be the QB and there are no stupid technical rules about who can catch it. highlight vid from 2008 of upa club teams @hotbid: usa is good at soccer  And if anyone is in NC and wants a scrim, pm me ^^ WCU is sort of near Asheville | ||
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Dahlia...
United States409 Posts
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TrueRedemption
United States313 Posts
I spent the past four years playing for Jojah, which allowed me to not only compete with and against the top athletes across the college level, but also meet and watch/play many of the top names in the sport. I played at the College Open National Championship, Centex, Stanford, Queen City and many other college and club tournaments each year there. I can personally assure you nearly all top players all display a mid D1 level of raw athleticism, and those who wouldn't catch a D1 coach's eye for having potential all have a specialized skill set comparable to golf or pitching. These top athletes are largely spread out across the country however, requiring college and even club teams to fill the extra roster spots with the best they can find. These remaining players are usually D2 level athletes still devoted to the competition and comraderie of sports comparable to competitive adult rec soccer leagues. Raw athletic prowess aside, ultimate is much like starcraft in its complexity and depth. The highest level games are controlled by what pace each team's offense dictates. There are often very few turnovers in top level ultimate, because the offense has developed an extremely effecient playstyle. For clarity a team is on offense when the point starts by them recieving the disc, where as a team is on defense when the points starts by them pulling the disc to the offense. In ultimate the concept of "the best defense is a good offense" reigns, if your team won the flip and scored every single point they recieved, you could not lose the game. Good defense functions only by making up for offensive mistakes, and/or separating a better team from a worse team by forcing and capitalizing on the worse team's mistakes. Overall any game with this type of structure will always be boring to an unfamiliar observer, because the offense oriented game play is full of nuance and precision that the new spectator is oblivious to. Amazing plays of athleticism are great to watch, but a good offense knows better than to depend on the chances of those plays, thus avoiding them. Ultimate is an incredible sport, but like many other sports its total spectator value will never be quite that of football basketball or soccer. How could a sport in which no player is able to single handedly do anything without a teammate ever compare to the individual dominating preformances of Lebron and Kobe, Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush, or Drogba and Gerrard? Ultimate may not have quite the raw athletes of these major sports, but at the top it is closer than most would give it credit for. One has to realize it is more the style of the sport which limits its spectator value, not the ability of the players. | ||
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