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gniketan
United States18 Posts
If you have any questions about the project or being a PCA, I'll do my best to answer them or get one of my teammates to help out. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On March 14 2012 19:32 gniketan wrote: Hi this is TGdocspec, a teammate of Matt's. I'll be travelling from Chicago to Japan (and then hopefully Korea) with Matt as a PCA later today. Thanks for all the positive feedback and to all the people who don't want to donate for whatever reason, that's totally fine! One of the most important parts of a charity is the right not to donate; that's part of what makes it so special to donate in the first place. But I will request that you not use this thread to try to convince other people not to donate as well, since that's also their prerogative. We'll have tons more details coming out within the next few weeks, and as that happens, I hope that you can see this project stands on its own merits. If not, at least get excited about some awesome Starcraft matches coming up. If you have any questions about the project or being a PCA, I'll do my best to answer them or get one of my teammates to help out. What is a PCA? | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On March 14 2012 16:37 Superiorwolf wrote: Oh my god, you guys are so terrible. Do you really have no empathy for someone's dream at all? Would you have preferred him to say, "I am running this tournament with high-level games for your entertainment, I'm taking the profits and I actually don't care about this game at all."? I don't know, but I personally find his story motivating and touching, and want him to be able to continue following his dream. I never ever donate to anything but this is something I can really connect with and empathize with, so I highly support it. If you don't want to donate, or don't have anything positive to say, then don't post. Ignore it. Don't watch the games. There's no reason to start outraging about a request someone has made if it doesn't affect you at all. And what do you mean by pity charity? Is donating to children in Africa "pity charity?" How is that a valuable project? There are actually documentaries on how the aid given to Africa is actually IMPEDING their progress in development. Maybe you should go protest the Make-A-Wish Foundation too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_a_wish_foundation Hell, why don't you protest every single charity out there, since by your terms, they are all pity charities. If you took your negative outlook on life, turned it around and instead traveled to Korea to encourage players with mental disabilities, I would support it too. Would you do such a thing though? I highly doubt it. By the way, perhaps you should look up the definition of the word charity. It will probably help you to see the clear misunderstanding you have of the word. no when people donate to africa it is for a clear cause, whether it actually happens or not. THIS is a pity charity. if hes going to make a public post asking for donations then i'm allowed to pubically call him out, asking why i should donate for any reason other than feeling sorry for a disabled person. | ||
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MaV_gGSC
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TheLaw
United States172 Posts
On March 14 2012 17:26 darkscream wrote: Don't worry about the douchers. There's always someone who wants to hate on your ambition; They may characterize it as wanting a free lunch but honestly you're giving back to the community of SC2 and the disabled community as well, it's commendable. And, it's also capitalism. So haters: if you don't like this, fuck off and don't watch, don't donate, don't pay attention. If his venture is really unsustainable, then there will not be anyone sustaining it. But if people find value in it, then they will pay back that value with their eyes and wallets. If you're disabled and don't see why this guy gets to do stuff you don't, it's because he's more ambitious than you. Let the free market decide if this is a good idea or not. Well said sir  | ||
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Prolix
United States30 Posts
From the original post, Personal Care Attendant. To provide needed assistance to Matt. As long as I'm posting again, may I just say: although my personal opinion is to support this event, I wanted to thank those who have posted with relatively negative opinions on this for keeping the discussion civil. Of course their posts detract from this to a degree, but to me they are not being overly offensive. I view this in the spirit of what the thread title says, a "fundraising" event. Obviously LookNoHands is not some one-man charitable organization (like the aforementioned Make-A-Wish Foundation, etc.). Perhaps it would be more acceptable to everyone if he continues to use the 'fundraiser' terminology as opposed to 'charity'. Maybe people are looking for their donations to be going to an actual U.S. 501(c) organization before they'll accept the term 'charity' -- I don't know for certain. I do not believe it's correct to term Matt's travels as merely a vacation either. People take holidays to get a leave from work and the like, not for personal enrichment. He has been on this journey for a long time now too, far longer than people spend on vacation. Plus I highly doubt that the Watson Fellowship would allow their funds to be spent on a frivolous trip. I'm sure they jealously guard their money with the same care that those unwilling to donate to Matt seem to exercise with theirs. The only thing I would ask of Matthew Fink is to continue publicizing your travels. Get more time in front of cameras -- not just from esports entities, but mainstream media as well. Perhaps write about your experiences, and get that posted. That has a potential to do a lot for esports and the SC2 community, if the world sees ways in which we try to support disabled members of our brood. And hopefully we won't be too shamed by comments from anyone who thinks you are just looking out for #1, trying to syphon money from us so you can have a "dream vacation" in Korea. Since (from what I can tell) you've set off to do more than that, make sure you do indeed accomplish much more than that. You will have done so much more than most community members by then! On a personal note, as a Minnesotan I'm glad to know that (hopefully!) some of my tax dollars have gone to things such as providing PCAs for Matt! It's too bad funding gets cut when he's out of the state, maybe it would be too open to exploitation otherwise, or something. I don't know, it's not like the disability doesn't go with him though! Anyway, when Matt's back home, he should definitely come to a barcraft or something! It would be great to meet him. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:43 SovSov wrote: no when people donate to africa it is for a clear cause, whether it actually happens or not. THIS is a pity charity. if hes going to make a public post asking for donations then i'm allowed to pubically call him out, asking why i should donate for any reason other than feeling sorry for a disabled person. Why should you donate for any reason other than feeling sorry for a starving person. You attempt to make a distinction between charities but charities are all the same. If you feel like it is a cause you connect with, whether it be someone following his dream in eSports, or helping starving children in Africa, or giving a dying child his last wish, it's the same. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On March 15 2012 05:20 Superiorwolf wrote: Why should you donate for any reason other than feeling sorry for a starving person. You attempt to make a distinction between charities but charities are all the same. If you feel like it is a cause you connect with, whether it be someone following his dream in eSports, or helping starving children in Africa, or giving a dying child his last wish, it's the same. Lol? I would be donating to make someone's life better and give to them when they are in NEED. This is a VACATION. The fact that you think somebody's vacation is comparable to children starving to death is beyond my comprehension. If this was a normal person asking for donations it would be ignored. Even if it was an up and coming pro player who wanted to move to Korea to set an example that other foreigners can make it, it would be ignored. But no, this is someone who wants a vacation who happens to be disabled. The fact that this is only happening because he is disabled is an INSULT if anything. "Hey, you're not like us! So you're going to get special treatment!" You're ignoring the fact that is a regular person. If you truly thought of physically disabled people as equals you would have the same attitude as me, but you don't, because you put them in a different category from your own and feel the need to donate and defend them. Shoutout to Looknohands though, he is smart for realizing he can sucker people into feeling sorry for him so he can get free money. However, it is a very pathetic and low thing to do and takes a great lack of character to pull off. Anyone with self-respect would see themselves as equals in society and not expect people to feel sorry for them, but Looknohands has none (not only assumed from this event, but from looking at his past and what he has been doing in the community). The ironic part is I'm going to be attacked for "attacking a disabled person". Because that's immoral right? We should always have endless amounts of pity! It is upmost pathetic that I have to sit here and defend my viewpoint from people attacking me. All I wanted was an actual "reason" as to why this is beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation. Instead, I'm attacked without any attempt for people to answer my question. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
My reason for bringing up children starving is because you used the term "pity charity." That term is meaningless. But I personally feel connected and find this story moving, so I decide to support it. Rather with starving children, I feel disconnected and as I mentioned before, how aid actually might be hurting them. Just as you think there's no reason to support this, I personally find that supporting starving children with food for a day is not beneficial at all either, since in the end it slows development. Regardless, I don't attack people for supporting starving children, just as you shouldn't be attacking people for supporting something they believe in either. You brought up the point that he's disabled, and no one can argue that it adds sympathy points to his cause, but if someone wrote an extremely compelling story about their dream to live eSports, I believe that people would support him. And fyi, MarineKingPrime was supported by donations and "charity." Was that so wrong? Was that something we should deplore as immoral since he wasn't in need of it to survive? People support things they like, and there's your reason. How is Make-A-Wish Foundation "beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation?" It's not, and yet it is a widely supported charity. The reason people support both that, Looknohands, and other charities, is because people feel a connection and want to support something they believe in. He's not lying about the reasons he needs money, he's laying it all out there, and some people like you don't necessarily agree with it, that's fine. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 15 2012 07:00 SovSov wrote: Lol? I would be donating to make someone's life better and give to them when they are in NEED. This is a VACATION. The fact that you think somebody's vacation is comparable to children starving to death is beyond my comprehension. If this was a normal person asking for donations it would be ignored. Even if it was an up and coming pro player who wanted to move to Korea to set an example that other foreigners can make it, it would be ignored. But no, this is someone who wants a vacation who happens to be disabled. The fact that this is only happening because he is disabled is an INSULT if anything. "Hey, you're not like us! So you're going to get special treatment!" You're ignoring the fact that is a regular person. If you truly thought of physically disabled people as equals you would have the same attitude as me, but you don't, because you put them in a different category from your own and feel the need to donate and defend them. Shoutout to Looknohands though, he is smart for realizing he can sucker people into feeling sorry for him so he can get free money. However, it is a very pathetic and low thing to do and takes a great lack of character to pull off. Anyone with self-respect would see themselves as equals in society and not expect people to feel sorry for them, but Looknohands has none (not only assumed from this event, but from looking at his past and what he has been doing in the community). The ironic part is I'm going to be attacked for "attacking a disabled person". Because that's immoral right? We should always have endless amounts of pity! It is upmost pathetic that I have to sit here and defend my viewpoint from people attacking me. All I wanted was an actual "reason" as to why this is beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation. Instead, I'm attacked without any attempt for people to answer my question. Yes, he's not in dire need of the trip to Korea, but neither are the recipients of many other charities. If you don't think it's worth donating to his cause, then don't donate. If you have nothing constructive to say, then just don't say anything. You don't have to shit on his parade though, cause that's just being a dick. | ||
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Legion710
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:30 Superiorwolf wrote: I would argue that he is in need, and he clearly states his reasons he is in need - he needs money for his personal care attendants. Perhaps it is not "survival need" but that does not mean it is not worthy of support. He doesn't try and hide anything, he sets it out and if you don't like it then ignore it. Your posts are just upsetting people who are supportive of him. My reason for bringing up children starving is because you used the term "pity charity." That term is meaningless. But I personally feel connected and find this story moving, so I decide to support it. Rather with starving children, I feel disconnected and as I mentioned before, how aid actually might be hurting them. Just as you think there's no reason to support this, I personally find that supporting starving children with food for a day is not beneficial at all either, since in the end it slows development. Regardless, I don't attack people for supporting starving children, just as you shouldn't be attacking people for supporting something they believe in either. You brought up the point that he's disabled, and no one can argue that it adds sympathy points to his cause, but if someone wrote an extremely compelling story about their dream to live eSports, I believe that people would support him. And fyi, MarineKingPrime was supported by donations and "charity." Was that so wrong? Was that something we should deplore as immoral since he wasn't in need of it to survive? People support things they like, and there's your reason. How is Make-A-Wish Foundation "beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation?" It's not, and yet it is a widely supported charity. The reason people support both that, Looknohands, and other charities, is because people feel a connection and want to support something they believe in. He's not lying about the reasons he needs money, he's laying it all out there, and some people like you don't necessarily agree with it, that's fine. "Hey guys, I'm in need. I want to vacation in Korea but I need money for the plane ticket". That's the exact same as needing money for personal assistants. He doesn't have to be in Korea. If he wasn't, having money for personal assistants would be no problem. Just like how needing money for a plane ticket wouldn't be a problem if someone didn't want to go to Korea. MKP did not ask for money under the guise of trying to "help the community". It also wasn't a vacation, it was so he could play in a tournament for fans. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I don't recall MKP outright asking for donations at first. I thought it was the community that initiated the support after hearing he didn't have the money to come over. Make-a-wish foundatin is for people who are dying and it is our way of giving them a death-bed wish come true. Again, not comparable to somebody who already had his tripped paid for by an organization, and is now requesting it again by the community. He is using the fact that he is disabled to sap money from the community, nothing else. He tries to give vague reasonings as to why it is beneficial, but they are just that--vague. Maybe if he didn't try to make baseless claims as to why the community should back him up it would be a different story, but then people wouldn't be fooled into thinking this is a "good cause", so it just comes full circle back to him being selfish. This is still no different from any average Joe asking for money. + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2012 08:37 teamsolid wrote: Yes, he's not in dire need of the trip to Korea, but neither are the recipients of many other charities. If you don't think it's worth donating to his cause, then don't donate. If you have nothing constructive to say, then just don't say anything. You don't have to shit on his parade though, cause that's just being a dick. Once again, no reason can be brought up as to why this actually helps the disabled gamers community or benefit the community as a whole in any way. If he wants to promote his "charity" publically, then he should be willing to justify it. I don't think I'm being the dick here. If anything, Looknohands is being the dick but people are just failing to realize it. All I'm doing is challenging him. Then if he proves that isn't just being a dick, then so be it, but he should update the OP to reflect this. | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:40 Legion710 wrote: I STRONGLY agree with Sov. I think there's a certain perverse side to raising a charity for YOURSELF. So that you both know, the term charity is actually being removed from the announcement. It is not a charity, it is a fundraiser for a project. We are asking people who think that what we are doing is worthwhile and worthy of their contribution to please contribute. I am, simply giving the people who think my project is cool the chance to help out and make donation. I'm not here to garner anyone's "pity" or sympathy, I am not here to collect money for the disabled community, I am not here to tell you that if you give me money that I will bring disabled gamers into the community or send them to tournaments, I am not here to say you have some moral obligation to donate, and I am certainly not here to force anyone to donate to a cause they do not want to. Although I do actually think my project benefits the disability community, I am not really asking for you donate for that reason. I am simply here because I have personal project which is to find out what the disabled gaming community is like and explore it in the hopes that one day I might be able to help some of those people become an integral part of the community at large. A large part of any Watson project is self discovery and as such, I am learning what it means to be competetitive as a person with a disability myself for the first time on this trip. Many people feel that the personal enrichment I and the other people with disabilities who I am meeting throughout my travels receive as a result of this exploration is worthy of their time and hard earned resources. I have demonstrated the value of the project to myself and others and I have demonstrated my need for help from the community if my project is to continue. If you like it, donate. If you don't think its worth your time or your money, don't donate. If you don't like us using the term charity, we'll get rid of it. But, regardless of what your opinion is, this thread is not the appropriate place to argue about it. On another note, you can expect a major update to the OP in thext day or so that reveals the first few invites and personalities as well as some clarification about what my Watson project is, who the Thomas J. Watson foundation is, and about the what the rough schedule for the event looks like. Thank you to the people who have pointed out the fact that the OP lacks clarity and detail when it comes to describing what a Watson fellowship is, and what my project entails as well as to the people who have been tirelessly defending me and my cause in this thread. | ||
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fizzink
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tgmtndu
United States18 Posts
On March 15 2012 08:40 Legion710 wrote: I STRONGLY agree with Sov. I think there's a certain perverse side to raising a charity for YOURSELF. Ahh, there's the problem. So this just isn't true. Matt set out in August knowing that the money he had was going to run out early and he was fine with that. It was at the urging of his friends, family, teammates and the Watson foundation that a fundraiser came about. By no means is he raising a charity for himself (also, that word is getting removed because you're right, there is a difference between fundraiser and charity event). If anything I am the one running a fundraiser to support his travels. Matt's friends back home, his friends he's made along the way and I are ALL running this fundraiser for him. Do you know how much work is involved, do you think he could even type all the words that need to be typed in the emails alone in the amount of time we've organized this in? | ||
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