EPTLookNoHands Fundraiser Announcement - Page 8
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LeLfe
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On March 15 2012 07:00 SovSov wrote: Lol? I would be donating to make someone's life better and give to them when they are in NEED. This is a VACATION. The fact that you think somebody's vacation is comparable to children starving to death is beyond my comprehension. If this was a normal person asking for donations it would be ignored. Even if it was an up and coming pro player who wanted to move to Korea to set an example that other foreigners can make it, it would be ignored. But no, this is someone who wants a vacation who happens to be disabled. The fact that this is only happening because he is disabled is an INSULT if anything. "Hey, you're not like us! So you're going to get special treatment!" You're ignoring the fact that is a regular person. If you truly thought of physically disabled people as equals you would have the same attitude as me, but you don't, because you put them in a different category from your own and feel the need to donate and defend them. Shoutout to Looknohands though, he is smart for realizing he can sucker people into feeling sorry for him so he can get free money. However, it is a very pathetic and low thing to do and takes a great lack of character to pull off. Anyone with self-respect would see themselves as equals in society and not expect people to feel sorry for them, but Looknohands has none (not only assumed from this event, but from looking at his past and what he has been doing in the community). The ironic part is I'm going to be attacked for "attacking a disabled person". Because that's immoral right? We should always have endless amounts of pity! It is upmost pathetic that I have to sit here and defend my viewpoint from people attacking me. All I wanted was an actual "reason" as to why this is beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation. Instead, I'm attacked without any attempt for people to answer my question. On March 15 2012 09:22 SovSov wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2012 08:30 Superiorwolf wrote: I would argue that he is in need, and he clearly states his reasons he is in need - he needs money for his personal care attendants. Perhaps it is not "survival need" but that does not mean it is not worthy of support. He doesn't try and hide anything, he sets it out and if you don't like it then ignore it. Your posts are just upsetting people who are supportive of him. My reason for bringing up children starving is because you used the term "pity charity." That term is meaningless. But I personally feel connected and find this story moving, so I decide to support it. Rather with starving children, I feel disconnected and as I mentioned before, how aid actually might be hurting them. Just as you think there's no reason to support this, I personally find that supporting starving children with food for a day is not beneficial at all either, since in the end it slows development. Regardless, I don't attack people for supporting starving children, just as you shouldn't be attacking people for supporting something they believe in either. You brought up the point that he's disabled, and no one can argue that it adds sympathy points to his cause, but if someone wrote an extremely compelling story about their dream to live eSports, I believe that people would support him. And fyi, MarineKingPrime was supported by donations and "charity." Was that so wrong? Was that something we should deplore as immoral since he wasn't in need of it to survive? People support things they like, and there's your reason. How is Make-A-Wish Foundation "beneficial outside of making some person happy with a vacation?" It's not, and yet it is a widely supported charity. The reason people support both that, Looknohands, and other charities, is because people feel a connection and want to support something they believe in. He's not lying about the reasons he needs money, he's laying it all out there, and some people like you don't necessarily agree with it, that's fine. @Superiorwolf "Hey guys, I'm in need. I want to vacation in Korea but I need money for the plane ticket". That's the exact same as needing money for personal assistants. He doesn't have to be in Korea. If he wasn't, having money for personal assistants would be no problem. Just like how needing money for a plane ticket wouldn't be a problem if someone didn't want to go to Korea. MKP did not ask for money under the guise of trying to "help the community". It also wasn't a vacation, it was so he could play in a tournament for fans. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I don't recall MKP outright asking for donations at first. I thought it was the community that initiated the support after hearing he didn't have the money to come over. Make-a-wish foundatin is for people who are dying and it is our way of giving them a death-bed wish come true. Again, not comparable to somebody who already had his tripped paid for by an organization, and is now requesting it again by the community. He is using the fact that he is disabled to sap money from the community, nothing else. He tries to give vague reasonings as to why it is beneficial, but they are just that--vague. Maybe if he didn't try to make baseless claims as to why the community should back him up it would be a different story, but then people wouldn't be fooled into thinking this is a "good cause", so it just comes full circle back to him being selfish. This is still no different from any average Joe asking for money. + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2012 08:37 teamsolid wrote: Yes, he's not in dire need of the trip to Korea, but neither are the recipients of many other charities. If you don't think it's worth donating to his cause, then don't donate. If you have nothing constructive to say, then just don't say anything. You don't have to shit on his parade though, cause that's just being a dick. Once again, no reason can be brought up as to why this actually helps the disabled gamers community or benefit the community as a whole in any way. If he wants to promote his "charity" publically, then he should be willing to justify it. I don't think I'm being the dick here. If anything, Looknohands is being the dick but people are just failing to realize it. All I'm doing is challenging him. Then if he proves that isn't just being a dick, then so be it, but he should update the OP to reflect this. It's easy to spew this kind of bullshit when you are a white heterosexual male with no disabilities whatsoever. You can't even begin to fathom the reality out of your fucking bubble. | ||
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Fix637
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I'm really curious how you managed to overcome your disability to play SC2. I think that story could be really inspiring. =) | ||
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Legion710
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On March 15 2012 10:11 looknohands119 wrote: So that you both know, the term charity is actually being removed from the announcement. It is not a charity, it is a fundraiser for a project. We are asking people who think that what we are doing is worthwhile and worthy of their contribution to please contribute. I am, simply giving the people who think my project is cool the chance to help out and make donation. I'm not here to garner anyone's "pity" or sympathy, I am not here to collect money for the disabled community, I am not here to tell you that if you give me money that I will bring disabled gamers into the community or send them to tournaments, I am not here to say you have some moral obligation to donate, and I am certainly not here to force anyone to donate to a cause they do not want to. Although I do actually think my project benefits the disability community, I am not really asking for you donate for that reason. I am simply here because I have personal project which is to find out what the disabled gaming community is like and explore it in the hopes that one day I might be able to help some of those people become an integral part of the community at large. A large part of any Watson project is self discovery and as such, I am learning what it means to be competetitive as a person with a disability myself for the first time on this trip. Many people feel that the personal enrichment I and the other people with disabilities who I am meeting throughout my travels receive as a result of this exploration is worthy of their time and hard earned resources. I have demonstrated the value of the project to myself and others and I have demonstrated my need for help from the community if my project is to continue. If you like it, donate. If you don't think its worth your time or your money, don't donate. If you don't like us using the term charity, we'll get rid of it. But, regardless of what your opinion is, this thread is not the appropriate place to argue about it. On another note, you can expect a major update to the OP in thext day or so that reveals the first few invites and personalities as well as some clarification about what my Watson project is, who the Thomas J. Watson foundation is, and about the what the rough schedule for the event looks like. Thank you to the people who have pointed out the fact that the OP lacks clarity and detail when it comes to describing what a Watson fellowship is, and what my project entails as well as to the people who have been tirelessly defending me and my cause in this thread. I want to make it clear that I feel a great deal of empathy for anyone with any kind of disability. Some of them are my friends. This has nothing to do with hating on disabled people. I just thought the idea was a little weird. I will still donate, because I think the money will benefit you more than me, and that alone is a great reason. Cheers. | ||
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On March 20 2012 03:48 Superiorwolf wrote: He's not just fundraising, but he's putting on an awesome tournament for the community, and that is definitely some hard work to get such players to play in it and organize everything. Girl scouts fundraise to increase their funds to do fun activities by selling cookies - they provide a product and take the profits to do something with it, which is essentially the same thing here. I have no idea why this is such a difficult concept to grasp for many people... | ||
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Uraeus
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On March 20 2012 03:36 Ventor wrote: I don't really agree with this fund raiser. It's great that you're trying to do what makes you happy but I don't see why you're asking people for money to do it. A lot of people are put into situations in their life where money becomes an issue and they can't get what they want at the moment and have to work for it. This just seems counter intuitive to that and you're skipping the 'working hard' bit. The fact that this is only happening because he is disabled is an INSULT if anything. "Hey, you're not like us! So you're going to get special treatment!" You're ignoring the fact that is a regular person. If you truly thought of physically disabled people as equals you would have the same attitude as me, but you don't, because you put them in a different category from your own and feel the need to donate and defend them. Seriously, what's wrong with you, guys??? Do you REALLY feel the need to shit on every guy's parade? Is Matt being deceptive about his goals or where the money will go? NO Is he somehow draining money from more consensual charities? NO Could he stay at home watching Day[9] and GSL all day long feeling sorry for himself? Absolutely! But he's not. He has decided to take the matter into his own hands (pun intended. Or is it pushing it too far?) and not let his disability get in the way of his dream. This at least deserves respect, if not sympathy. And he is actually giving back to the community, so I don't see anything wrong with his initiative. And yes, this can probably inspire other disabled people and make them think "I can do it!" (whatever it is). I am not going to give because I pity him, even though I am happy I am not in his situation. I am going to support him with money because he is showing immense willpower and determination, and this is something I really admire. I do admire people who will struggle to make the most of their situation and help themselves, instead of wallowing in self pity. It is everyone's right to not sympathize and all, but arguing that he is actually scamming us is pretty shameful. If you think you are somehow challenged and deserve money to get a "vacation" in Korea, well, go ahead! Set a goal, plan your trip, make us dream with you! But I guess pepole calling him out are just bitter and jealous because they lack the willpower to do it. Brb, going to donate via paypal. | ||
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Mementoss
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If you want to discuss what you think is a charity, or what your personal opinion of where donating money is more important than others. I suggest you open up a thread in General about it. | ||
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