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On May 07 2018 23:23 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2018 20:12 killerdog wrote:On May 07 2018 09:04 Jek wrote:On May 07 2018 08:09 iCanada wrote:On May 07 2018 07:31 Jek wrote:Dont think I've ever seen Boxen that empty.  Yeah. Out of my 15 friends that usually hit this tournament annually to cheer on Canada, like 13 this year didn't go due to the pricing scheme. A few of the well off ones skipped all round robin games or just bought for the final. And that's just people I know from my hockey circles... the other 99% of Canadians likely made similar choices and spent their money elsewhere. As a foreigner (could be just Canadians, idk) pricing to a round robin game was like 400 USD per ticket, higher for medal ganes. Kind of obscene. Not sure if it was an iihf decision or a Hockey Denmark. Largely iihf usually makes "anti Canadian" decisions in order to grow the game; I think maybe they wanted more chance for local fans to hit the games; I think they would rather have small local crowd than a sellout of Canadians, better for long term number of registered hockey players. I know they've expressed a lot that they want more locals at the medal games. Still kind of shitty to see a player like McDavid play for an empty rink. Feels so wrong... he randomly played shinny one day on a local lake and we had to have police control the roads and fire fighters limit the number of people on the ice because of the number of people that went out to play. He is just so good it's disgusting. 400 USD for a ticket? That is pretty brutal and by pretty brutal I mean insane. I checked the US-Canada match for tickets but they were all gone almost instantly so I just defaulted into "US and Canada games are probably all sold out", would definitely have went to the Korea match if I knew there were tickets - following eSports and all Korea sort of got a spot in my heart.  Wouldn't it make more sense to just limit the amount of tickets for foreigners? Singling out a country's fans doesn't feel like a danish thing to do so I'm a bit surprised and sad about their decision. Korea playing Denmark in a bit i think? Looking through pricing and its around 300 to 600 DKK for danes depending on seating tier, with lots of empty tickets for all the matches, with a few at 180. Quarter finals go up to 400 to 900. So like 50-95 USD for round robin, and 70-145 USD for groups? Couldn't you just get a danish guy to buy you tickets? That sounds very hard to enforce if they're just charging 4x for foreigners. Theoretically yes. Realistically demand is high enough that tickets to desirable game's are hard to get anyway, so you had to know ahead of time. Harder to do the scalper thing from overseas, I wouldn't have the balls to book the trip without tickets. Canada vs Denmark is in about 4 hrs. ^_^
Could have just posted here and one of us would have bought them :p
Just went to the website and i can easily buy 10 tickets for the denmark canada match for 400 dkk each, and that's presumably one of the most popular matches in the groups here.
Don't think hockey is particularly big in denmark.
The finals and semis are booked up though.
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I don't have the spending cash for that regardless. Ha ha.
@Jek, I'll be watching the game (I mean... working... definitely working...) so feel free to ask if you have any questions. ^_^
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Well we got a goal.....
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Well, it's only fair, after all the only 2 things canadians are good at is ice hockey and destroying western civilization
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On May 08 2018 07:14 Jek wrote:Well we got a goal.....
I thought you guys played quite well. You worked quite hard, didn't really give up a lot of chances. You won more puck battles against us than the Americans did for sure. I thought you also did a good job keeping pucks to the outside and limiting cross ice passses.
^_^
If you had started Frederik Andersen instead of Sebastian Dahm, that's likely a 3-1 game. Andersen saves the Ekblad goal, the O'Reilly goal, and imo the Bailey goal too. And then I figure Andersen is elite enough that he stops one if not two of the other goals that I'd normally say a goaltender has no chance on. All things considered, I dont think Canada really generated a whole lot of chances. You guys played a pretty tight and well organized game, and managed to work hard and play pretty chippy at the same time.
I think you guys rested Andersen to maximize your chances at getting to the playoff round, you certainly can beat Norway, Latvia, Korea, and Germany.
You have to keep in mind the difference in player caliber, the total annual salary for this Canadian club is 95 million USD a year!
Best case scenario, by guesstimating based on average salaries (which was honestly kind of hard to find, I could be way off) in their club leagues, your danaish squad makes from 4.5 to 9.1 Million USD, with exception of Frederik Andersen (5 mil) and Frans Nielsen (5.25 mill). Given that Andersen didn't even play, our highest paid player (McDavid, 12.5 mil) makes than the entire group of players you fielded.
If you take out the guys on capped entry level deals (0.9 mil max), the average Canadian player at this tournament makes 5.6 million.
Also keep in mind Canada currently has ~650,000 hockey players in registered IIHF leagues. Denmark has ~4,700. Canada literally has more outdoor rinks or indoor rinks than denmark has player. By shear numbers your team is the top 0.4% of all danish Hockey players. Ours is our top 0.00003% of all canadian hockey players. You have athletes averaging 2.5 std deviations above; we have athletes averaging like 7 standard deviations.
Be proud of your team. And fans such as yourself! The place was rocking!
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I've been catching up on ASL Brood War, that bo5 between Flash and Snow was simply amazing.
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On May 08 2018 10:23 phyvo wrote:I've been catching up on ASL Brood War, that bo5 between Flash and Snow was simply amazing. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uXbRfYeDZY
yeah it was an incredible series, i mostly watch sc2 and lol but it was definitely worth a watch
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On May 08 2018 09:12 iCanada wrote:You have to keep in mind the difference in player caliber, the total annual salary for this Canadian club is 95 million USD a year! Best case scenario, by guesstimating based on average salaries (which was honestly kind of hard to find, I could be way off) in their club leagues, your danaish squad makes from 4.5 to 9.1 Million USD, with exception of Frederik Andersen (5 mil) and Frans Nielsen (5.25 mill). Given that Andersen didn't even play, our highest paid player (McDavid, 12.5 mil) makes than the entire group of players you fielded. If you take out the guys on capped entry level deals (0.9 mil max), the average Canadian player at this tournament makes 5.6 million. Also keep in mind Canada currently has ~650,000 hockey players in registered IIHF leagues. Denmark has ~4,700. Canada literally has more outdoor rinks or indoor rinks than denmark has player. By shear numbers your team is the top 0.4% of all danish Hockey players. Ours is our top 0.00003% of all canadian hockey players. You have athletes averaging 2.5 std deviations above; we have athletes averaging like 7 standard deviations. Be proud of your team. And fans such as yourself! The place was rocking!
All those salaries and player numbers sound impressive, then you remember iceland knocked england out of euros :p
And the danish coach was in the media saying frederik "deserved a rest after some very good games" before the match, so you're probably right about him being rested.
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On May 08 2018 09:12 iCanada wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I thought you guys played quite well. You worked quite hard, didn't really give up a lot of chances. You won more puck battles against us than the Americans did for sure. I thought you also did a good job keeping pucks to the outside and limiting cross ice passses.
^_^
If you had started Frederik Andersen instead of Sebastian Dahm, that's likely a 3-1 game. Andersen saves the Ekblad goal, the O'Reilly goal, and imo the Bailey goal too. And then I figure Andersen is elite enough that he stops one if not two of the other goals that I'd normally say a goaltender has no chance on. All things considered, I dont think Canada really generated a whole lot of chances. You guys played a pretty tight and well organized game, and managed to work hard and play pretty chippy at the same time.
I think you guys rested Andersen to maximize your chances at getting to the playoff round, you certainly can beat Norway, Latvia, Korea, and Germany.
You have to keep in mind the difference in player caliber, the total annual salary for this Canadian club is 95 million USD a year! + Show Spoiler +Best case scenario, by guesstimating based on average salaries (which was honestly kind of hard to find, I could be way off) in their club leagues, your danaish squad makes from 4.5 to 9.1 Million USD, with exception of Frederik Andersen (5 mil) and Frans Nielsen (5.25 mill). Given that Andersen didn't even play, our highest paid player (McDavid, 12.5 mil) makes than the entire group of players you fielded.
If you take out the guys on capped entry level deals (0.9 mil max), the average Canadian player at this tournament makes 5.6 million.
Also keep in mind Canada currently has ~650,000 hockey players in registered IIHF leagues. Denmark has ~4,700. Canada literally has more outdoor rinks or indoor rinks than denmark has player. By shear numbers your team is the top 0.4% of all danish Hockey players. Ours is our top 0.00003% of all canadian hockey players. You have athletes averaging 2.5 std deviations above; we have athletes averaging like 7 standard deviations. Be proud of your team. And fans such as yourself! The place was rocking!
It's just hard to face reality after your team hast lost.
It was great to see a really good team play live it just felt faster, better, cleaner than what I've seen so far.
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On May 09 2018 00:11 Ansibled wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well the point of the map pool suceeded in killing Flash.
+ Show Spoiler +Pretty funny how flash won on the supposedly P map (trasnsitor), and lost on the normal macro map. Could have gone either way at several points. If only that reaver in game 1 had been 1 seconds later + Show Spoiler [ro4spoils] +pity the rest of the matches are PvP though, find that matchup pretty boring so hype is a bit killed
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On May 09 2018 00:54 killerdog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Pretty funny how flash won on the supposedly P map (trasnsitor), and lost on the normal macro map. Could have gone either way at several points. If only that reaver in game 1 had been 1 seconds later + Show Spoiler [ro4spoils] +pity the rest of the matches are PvP though, find that matchup pretty boring so hype is a bit killed
+ Show Spoiler +Despite it all, I'm kind of glad Flash lost. I feel is he just sat at the literal top for a few years that BW would die from a lack of new players.
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Sparkle needs to die in a fire. Island maps are an interesting idea but I like pseudo-island things like Third World better than hard Islands like that.
ION: would you guys rather have a job you really like but takes up all your free time, or one you don't really enjoy but leaves you with more personal life? Assuming pay etc is the same.
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If the crap job is mind numbing work, that.
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On May 09 2018 01:15 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2018 00:54 killerdog wrote:On May 09 2018 00:11 Ansibled wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well the point of the map pool suceeded in killing Flash. + Show Spoiler +Pretty funny how flash won on the supposedly P map (trasnsitor), and lost on the normal macro map. Could have gone either way at several points. If only that reaver in game 1 had been 1 seconds later + Show Spoiler [ro4spoils] +pity the rest of the matches are PvP though, find that matchup pretty boring so hype is a bit killed + Show Spoiler +Despite it all, I'm kind of glad Flash lost. I feel is he just sat at the literal top for a few years that BW would die from a lack of new players.
+ Show Spoiler +Also if flash won on these maps, then ASL is pretty screwed next season. They'd either have to keep it up with retarded maps and screw everyone else, or go back to more standard maps which would mean giving flash the next bunch of ASL trophies basically guarenteed.
Now that it's proven that these maps were enough to take him down they can go back to slightly more balanced maps and next season is exciting again because STORYLINES.
I just wish he'd have gotten to semis or finals so we'd have more interesting matches. Flash TvP is much more interesting than a bunch of PvP's.
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+ Show Spoiler +I just wish we can get some end game PvP with maelstrom, feedback, arbiters, perhaps some other form of air units at least once. Itt's just too boring to see games end off of 3-4 gate all ins/timings or reaver snipes/mismicro.
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tldr maps rigged for favour protoss and protoss barely manage to get to finals
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