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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 22 2014 03:06 GMT
#19661
On January 22 2014 11:48 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 11:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On January 22 2014 11:05 Cixah wrote:
So it's the Project M of SC? Seems good I guess.

Kinda but SC2 is not the Brawl of BW. That's too low even for SC2.

I concur. I think Starcraft 2 is better than Brood War.


...
TranslatorBaa!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
January 22 2014 03:17 GMT
#19662
On January 22 2014 11:48 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 11:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On January 22 2014 11:05 Cixah wrote:
So it's the Project M of SC? Seems good I guess.

Kinda but SC2 is not the Brawl of BW. That's too low even for SC2.

I concur. I think Starcraft 2 is better than Brood War.

Get the fuck out
Administrator@TL_Zess
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 22 2014 03:26 GMT
#19663
HS stream up again. (If yal'l want me to stop spamming my stream in here lemme know. )
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 22 2014 03:30 GMT
#19664
On January 22 2014 12:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
HS stream up again. (If yal'l want me to stop spamming my stream in here lemme know. )


STOP

+ Show Spoiler +
we love you, stop thinking we don't like having you
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 22 2014 03:30 GMT
#19665
I enjoy SC2 and I never played BW all that competitively so I'll side with Frudgey

Butts.
It's your boy Guzma!
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 22 2014 03:35 GMT
#19666
On January 22 2014 11:31 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 11:05 Cixah wrote:
So it's the Project M of SC? Seems good I guess.

Kinda but SC2 is not the Brawl of BW. That's too low even for SC2.


Well you'd have to screw up pretty hard to make a worse competitive game than the guy who outright hated competition and tried to suck every ounce of it out.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
January 22 2014 03:37 GMT
#19667
Yeah, as I recall he designed Brawl to be as unfriendly to the competitive FGC as possible.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 03:39:11
January 22 2014 03:38 GMT
#19668
On January 22 2014 09:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
7-3 with a mage deck I thought was super shitty. 150g from it - weeeee

just went 10-3 with this shitter (under water ele is argent, ogre, 2 flamestrikes):
[image loading]

bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 22 2014 03:38 GMT
#19669
I have no idea why you'd specifically make it worse though. Yikes.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
January 22 2014 03:44 GMT
#19670
On January 22 2014 12:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Yeah, as I recall he designed Brawl to be as unfriendly to the competitive FGC as possible.

Melee's stream pulled in like what, 30k viewers at APEX?

I feel like Sakurai and most of Nintendo are really out of touch with what gamers want...
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 03:48:56
January 22 2014 03:47 GMT
#19671
I mean, yes and no. Yes in that the FGC at a pro level is incredibly annoyed by it. No in that they're selling the title to a mass audience, most of whom won't compete or care about the competitive pro level, and it's a one time buy (and thus they don't really need to focus on long-long term retention, outside of ensuring the regular target demographic gets enough hours out of it). Too much long-term retention for Nintendo means customers not buying other Wii/Nintendo console games, so they won't get royalties off of those purchases.

Do I think deliberately designing it to piss on the FGC is a good idea? I mean, why would you. But yeah.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 22 2014 04:01 GMT
#19672
On January 22 2014 12:30 Requizen wrote:
I enjoy SC2 and I never played BW all that competitively so I'll side with Frudgey

Butts.


willful ignorance - the worst kind of ignorance
TranslatorBaa!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 22 2014 04:05 GMT
#19673
On January 22 2014 13:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 12:30 Requizen wrote:
I enjoy SC2 and I never played BW all that competitively so I'll side with Frudgey

Butts.


willful ignorance - the worst kind of ignorance

Willful butts, the smelliest kind
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 22 2014 04:15 GMT
#19674
On January 22 2014 12:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I mean, yes and no. Yes in that the FGC at a pro level is incredibly annoyed by it. No in that they're selling the title to a mass audience, most of whom won't compete or care about the competitive pro level, and it's a one time buy (and thus they don't really need to focus on long-long term retention, outside of ensuring the regular target demographic gets enough hours out of it). Too much long-term retention for Nintendo means customers not buying other Wii/Nintendo console games, so they won't get royalties off of those purchases.

Do I think deliberately designing it to piss on the FGC is a good idea? I mean, why would you. But yeah.


Nintendo hates that smash is competitive.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 04:23:16
January 22 2014 04:22 GMT
#19675
On January 22 2014 13:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 12:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I mean, yes and no. Yes in that the FGC at a pro level is incredibly annoyed by it. No in that they're selling the title to a mass audience, most of whom won't compete or care about the competitive pro level, and it's a one time buy (and thus they don't really need to focus on long-long term retention, outside of ensuring the regular target demographic gets enough hours out of it). Too much long-term retention for Nintendo means customers not buying other Wii/Nintendo console games, so they won't get royalties off of those purchases.

Do I think deliberately designing it to piss on the FGC is a good idea? I mean, why would you. But yeah.


Nintendo hates that smash is competitive.

Yep.

I honestly don't know why they've been pulling the asinine shit like trying to pull Smash out of Evo.

I mean really, free publicity?

I understand the initial design to not target Brawl towards FGC, but...
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
January 22 2014 04:23 GMT
#19676
On January 22 2014 12:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I mean, yes and no. Yes in that the FGC at a pro level is incredibly annoyed by it. No in that they're selling the title to a mass audience, most of whom won't compete or care about the competitive pro level, and it's a one time buy (and thus they don't really need to focus on long-long term retention, outside of ensuring the regular target demographic gets enough hours out of it). Too much long-term retention for Nintendo means customers not buying other Wii/Nintendo console games, so they won't get royalties off of those purchases.

Do I think deliberately designing it to piss on the FGC is a good idea? I mean, why would you. But yeah.

I think that most gamers in general preferred Melee, even the casuals who have no idea about any of the techniques. Sure, when Brawl came out there is the shiny new game effect and it sold well, but the general opinion seemed pretty tilted towards Melee.

I have no evidence though.

Speaking of long-term retention, Nintendo's first-party games are infamous for almost never dropping in price unless they get a budget-game re-release.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 04:36:13
January 22 2014 04:35 GMT
#19677
On January 22 2014 12:30 Requizen wrote:
I enjoy SC2 and I never played BW all that competitively so I'll side with Frudgey

Butts.


Please ban. k thanks

First troll can at least be called somewhat original, anyone who adds on to it is just not
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 22 2014 04:42 GMT
#19678
But back to the main topic.

Pokemon Bank when?
It's your boy Guzma!
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
January 22 2014 04:42 GMT
#19679
Gold 1 at the end of season 3. all my promo i play vs plat3/4's. end up in sliver 2. like i fucking quit
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 22 2014 04:44 GMT
#19680
Like most nintendo games. They're aimed at nostalgia fags and 7 yearolds. Nostalgia fags being too old for mechanics, and 7 yearolds too young for mechanics. And they want to level the playing field so that anyone can win.
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