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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 28 2014 08:44 phyvo wrote: I knew that publix had the best grocery store chocolate chip cookies ever but this sub business is new to me, I'll have to try it. It's funny though, when I came down south I never went to the publix at first because when it showed up in the GPS I didn't think it was a grocery store. You can't go wrong for cost with the on sale sub that changes every week, but most people rave about the chicken tender sub. when it goes on sale, good damn luck with the line. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
I was going to play a Dread Necromancer and I was wondering what feats I should be looking into. I heard tainted soul is basically mandatory, but what else should I look at getting? I'm also interested in doing a lot of fear effects, if that helps at all. Thanks! | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
 There's a lot going on here so unless you guys are going to be on for quite a while I doubt I'll be able to drop in. Watching the game has been pretty entertaining though | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On June 28 2014 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Keep trying to say hi on twitch but I guess people are playing and not reading chat There's a lot going on here so unless you guys are going to be on for quite a while I doubt I'll be able to drop in. Watching the game has been pretty entertaining though Hiiiiiiii Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also that start is so annoying. I don't want to map it but it's the worst part and it's right at the beginning, meh. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
 scip.Euro Trash tried to complain that No Johns isn't a legitmate excuse. His Johns for No Johns makes him worse than dirt. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 28 2014 07:39 PrinceXizor wrote: Do... do you think teams don't have contracts or pay salary or have sponsorships in dota? Era is under contract for Fnatic. I understand its a common sentiment among league fans who cling to riots every word that dota is prize pool only.. but TL goers should know better. if you scramble up a team last minute, then you don't get a TI4 invite. at best you have to win a qualifier tournament if you are a newer team. last TI there were teams that lost invites for trying to do what you suggest and trying to get a better team last minute. If the contracts were worth their weight, then this wouldn't be an issue cuz Era would then just be subbed out. On June 28 2014 08:16 TheYango wrote: What does this even mean "the best possible team they have"? Unlike LCS, most pro teams for DotA don't have a bunch of subs. Most don't have any, because playing subs was never really part of how tournament play worked in DotA. There is no "best possible team they have"--you have 1 team of 5 players and you get a standin if extenuating personal circumstances require another player to play. In fact, the issue arose because the replacement Fnatic wants wasn't a part of the team at any point until after TI qualification already happened. Whereas this isn't an issue for EG because Mason's status in relation to EG was already pretty clear before the team was invited to TI. Best possible team, means having a team where they can bootcamp without having to worry that one of their players is going to have another psychological break. Teams should have a solid control of their roster, and field who they think are going to give the best performance. This isn't a last minute substitution, the first email started 2 months before scheduled event start date. Fnatic came up with a reasonable solution to their roster. If this was any sport, no one would bat an eye on a management move such as this. On June 28 2014 07:47 kainzero wrote: "I can see the best fucking games" -- i'm pretty sure you watch NA LoL. high quality play yup the reality is that the quality of a game is dependent on so many random elements. "forcing players to play together" -- every major sport has a period where they need to lock in their roster. this is also done to protect the players, they don't want to work hard and then get cut after the invite while they pick up star players from other teams and bootcamp until TI. again the option to qualify through the tournament with a new roster is always open. "The teams have to invest serious amount of downtime to replace players to create a better overall team," -- oh you mean like fnatic picking up excalibur right before the summit and taking a game off of DK in an embarrassing fashion? there are many examples in competition, in videogames or sports, where the addition of a new player really buoys a team. having locked in rosters for any sort of qualification is standard for any sport. to disagree is okay. to call it "retarded" is something else. Yes, you conveniently forget the first part of my sentence which says " I want the best fucking team each organization can field". Which is true for the NA LCS, at least so far as the top teams are in it. You'd have a hard time arguing that the teams aren't trying to get the best possible team for their bucks in NA LCS. This also implies I don't keep track of OGN, which I do (whenever I can). "every major sport has a period where they need to lock in their roster. this is also done to protect the players, they don't want to work hard and then get cut after the invite while they pick up star players from other teams and bootcamp until TI. again the option to qualify through the tournament with a new roster is always open. " Yes, they have a roster lock, they also get the choice of fielding whichever player they want. It's not like they're dropped Era's contract and leaving him out to dry. He's still getting paid for his agreed contract without getting screwed over (in fact, if what fnatic said is true about the split prizepool between Era and Excalibur, they're going out of their way to be extremely nice to Era). Even if he was in perfect health, and fnatic decided to field someone else for TI they should very well have that power, no matter how cold hearted it is. That's on Era for not negotiating a strong enough contract that includes going TI (even if this is an unlikely contract clause). Like in major sports. " you mean like fnatic picking up excalibur right before the summit and taking a game off of DK in an embarrassing fashion? there are many examples in competition, in videogames or sports, where the addition of a new player really buoys a team." Then that means the replacement was much needed. "having locked in rosters for any sort of qualification is standard for any sport. to disagree is okay. to call it "retarded" is something else." roster is different than lineup | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
H4nni, Era, N0tail, Fly, and Trixi were. and Fnatic is paying them for the right to represent them. Fnatic don't get to decide anything with the invites. if Era or his doctors thought he couldn't actually play, then valve would likely be lenient toward H4nni, N0tail, fly and Trixi and let them bring an established 5th instead. They don't have a sub, nor does valve invite organizations. If Fnatic dropped those 5 players, and picke dup 5 different ones, but that group stayed as a team and say dignitas picked them up, or perhaps they just go as "the squad" without an organization, they would STILL be invited to TI4 and still perform as the squad. and Fnatic would not make an appearance at TI4. Invites are tied to the TEAM, not the organization paying the team. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:17 PrinceXizor wrote: Fnatic weren't invited to TI4. H4nni, Era, N0tail, Fly, and Trixi were. and Fnatic is paying them for the right to represent them. Fnatic don't get to decide anything with the invites. if Era or his doctors thought he couldn't actually play, then valve would likely be lenient toward H4nni, N0tail, fly and Trixi and let them bring an established 5th instead. They don't have a sub, nor does valve invite organizations. If Fnatic dropped those 5 players, and picke dup 5 different ones, but that group stayed as a team and say dignitas picked them up, or perhaps they just go as "the squad" without an organization, they would STILL be invited to TI4 and still perform as the squad. and Fnatic would not make an appearance at TI4. Invites are tied to the TEAM, not the organization paying the team. I understand that, and that's why in my original comment it's understandable that under the circumstances of Valve's contract with players and teams, that they're in the right. But, having it set up like that is a bit silly imo. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:20 wei2coolman wrote: I understand that, and that's why in my original comment it's understandable that under the circumstances of Valve's contract with players and teams, that they're in the right. But, having it set up like that is a bit silly imo. Seems the best way to handle it to me. the amount of ringers that could exist in TI if organizations could switch players before the tournament and it was organization based would be ridiculous. Hell Dendi and Arteezy are better than Era too, maybe Fnatic could offer them some of the prize money to play for them as well as their own teams. "dendi and arteezy are our subs" TI4 invites are a reward for the players work over the preceding year, not a right of an organization to attend based on their fanbases. excaliber isn't even under contract with Fnatic anyway. so even if it was organization based they couldn't use him. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:24 PrinceXizor wrote: Seems the best way to handle it to me. the amount of ringers that could exist in TI if players could switch players before the tournament and it was organization based would be ridiculous. Hell Dendi and Arteezy are better than Era too, maybe Fnatic could offer them some of the prize money to play for them as well as their own teams. "dendi and arteezy are our subs". The real question is, why aren't teams already established with strong contracts with these players? meaning, if you want to leave this team with in this binding contract, here's the fee, now fork up the cash. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
enable the developer console https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Developer_Console#Enabling_the_console then decide on a server http://www.gameserverdirectory.com/search/the-ship/ then open the console with ~ and type connect 95.211.30.23:27021 (or whatever ip you decide on) | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:26 wei2coolman wrote: The real question is, why aren't teams already established with strong contracts with these players? meaning, if you want to leave this team with in this binding contract, here's the fee, now fork up the cash. you're going to have to put more detail into this. because as stated it doesn't make any sense and makes mostly assumptions about contracts we don't know. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:27 Tooplark wrote: Here's how Ship multiplayer works: enable the developer console https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Developer_Console#Enabling_the_console then decide on a server http://www.gameserverdirectory.com/search/the-ship/ then open the console with ~ and type connect 95.211.30.23:27021 (or whatever ip you decide on) you're a gentleman and a scholar | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:27 PrinceXizor wrote: you're going to have to put more detail into this. because as stated it doesn't make any sense and makes mostly assumptions about contracts we don't know. Let's say. There is a Team A, and there's a Team B. Player A is currently signed on for Team A for 5 years. Contract would be similar to cellphone contract, if you leave this contract before 5 years, gotta fork up a fee. So if Team B wants to acquire Player A, they either have to just buy over the entire contract from Team A, or have Player A break contract with Team A, and resign new contract with Player A (if they want a new contract). Vice versa would happen. If Team A wanted to drop Player A, they would have to pay the fee of dropping his contract, or just opt to not field him but pay out the rest of his contract. So a strong contract would prevent a lot of these shenanigans you guys are talking about, unfortunately esports still sort of in it's infancy so it's probably pretty hard for players and teams alike to hire legal teams to create strong contracts. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 28 2014 10:36 wei2coolman wrote: Let's say. There is a Team A, and there's a Team B. Player A is currently signed on for Team A for 5 years. Contract would be similar to cellphone contract, if you leave this contract before 5 years, gotta fork up a fee. So if Team B wants to acquire Player A, they either have to just buy over the entire contract from Team A, or have Player A break contract with Team A, and resign new contract with Player A (if they want a new contract). Vice versa would happen. If Team A wanted to drop Player A, they would have to pay the fee of dropping his contract, or just opt to not field him but pay out the rest of his contract. So a strong contract would prevent a lot of these shenanigans you guys are talking about, unfortunately esports still sort of in it's infancy so it's probably pretty hard for players and teams alike to hire legal teams to create strong contracts. if the teams are in complete control over their players, then there would be professional ringers. a player who is top at his position would make more money as a mercenary than as a contracted player. if say Player A and B are the best 2 mid players in the world if they sold their services to 6 TI4 teams, playing against eachother if needed, they stand to make much more money than if they were on only a single team. contracts have to be agreed upon by both sides. besides we don't KNOW the players contracts, usually they will involve some exclusivity. but Excalibur isn't even under contract. so even if the organization could pick, they were lobbying for a player not even under contract to be able to take the place of a contracted player. | ||
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