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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 27 2014 22:21 GMT
#46121
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 27 2014 22:21 GMT
#46122
Remember the time Ghandhi was silly? That's all the time.
It's your boy Guzma!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 27 2014 22:25 GMT
#46123
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:26:11
June 27 2014 22:25 GMT
#46124
Rite. I'll be on league ~8PM EST for TLLOLOTGDGN LOL. Until then, occupying the TLLOLOTGDDN channel.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 27 2014 22:26 GMT
#46125
infertility is a serious medical condition

scippls
A backwards poet writes inverse.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 27 2014 22:26 GMT
#46126
On June 28 2014 07:25 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to

It's ok I'll just need a manual on-hand.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:36:39
June 27 2014 22:26 GMT
#46127
Valve invites 5 players based on those 5 players performance as a team. if a player can't play for a medical reason then they can provide proof and valve will allow a sub to protect the 4 other players. if its based on branding only. then teams without an organization could never make it, meaning you need to be "picked up" to be a TI quality team, even if your play supports you are without signing to a group. also if its based on branding only, there is no reason not to use ringers all year and never stay to a single roster or to not drop any player for any reason.

Its not like Excaliber earned 'fnatic' the invite. Era did.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 27 2014 22:31 GMT
#46128
On June 28 2014 07:25 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to


Well then it's a good thing he's not trying to!
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 27 2014 22:32 GMT
#46129
On June 28 2014 07:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:25 Scip wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to


Well then it's a good thing he's not trying to!

"people can't get pregnant if the two people don't love eachother right?"

uhhhh... sorry son.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 27 2014 22:32 GMT
#46130
On June 28 2014 07:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:25 Scip wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to


Well then it's a good thing he's not trying to!

Source?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 27 2014 22:38 GMT
#46131
On June 28 2014 07:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:16 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:11 Numy wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:56 kainzero wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:48 Numy wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:17 kainzero wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:34 caelym wrote:
Delicious drama is cooking up at TI4. A doctor really needs to approve Era's health because of course a player is going to say he can play irregardless of his health.

fnatic shouldn't have gone public. pitchforks were raised at valve and then valve posted some pretty damning documentation.

also i like how it's being called drama just because i feel like that when the conditions are met, "drama" evolves into "politics".

EDIT: ooooh okay, i get it.

fnatic wants to play without this era dude, but valve is like "yo, let this kid play".

I see a lot of valve praise, but tbh shouldn't it be a teams decision?


Valve doesn't invite teams, they invite 5 players that form the team so the team can't make any changes to who goes.

they can if the player is unable to play, like fear.

that is where the suspicion is, because fnatic went public and said valve isn't allowing them to play with excalibur because era has a medical condition preventing him from playing and that they would risk his health by playing him.

but this info from valve says that era is able to play just fine so now it looks like fnatic was just trying to rally public support. tricky.
On June 28 2014 06:50 wei2coolman wrote:
and this is retarded.

no it's not.
if you want a seeded invite based on past performance then you need to keep your team together.
you can always earn an invite at the qualifying tournament, like LGD did last year after their changes.

No, I want the best fucking team each organization can field so I can see the best fucking games. Not forcing players to play together because the tourney organization says so.

Also, you'd be seriously misguided if you think teams would just willynilly do team trades and think their team is going to magically get better. The teams have to invest serious amount of downtime to replace players to create a better overall team, and if the team doesn't need a long time to see improvement then that means the player you replaced was fucking shittier than zoonie, and deserved to get replaced.
On June 28 2014 06:57 Gahlo wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:48 Numy wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:17 kainzero wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:34 caelym wrote:
Delicious drama is cooking up at TI4. A doctor really needs to approve Era's health because of course a player is going to say he can play irregardless of his health.

fnatic shouldn't have gone public. pitchforks were raised at valve and then valve posted some pretty damning documentation.

also i like how it's being called drama just because i feel like that when the conditions are met, "drama" evolves into "politics".

EDIT: ooooh okay, i get it.

fnatic wants to play without this era dude, but valve is like "yo, let this kid play".

I see a lot of valve praise, but tbh shouldn't it be a teams decision?


Valve doesn't invite teams, they invite 5 players that form the team so the team can't make any changes to who goes.

and this is retarded.

And people thought League teams had issues with keeping people around who are past their prime for viewers.

yeah, I thought legacy players on teams was an issue...


While I don't have an opinion on the matter I do want to just clear up something. There's been very real cases of new teams forming and doing really well then breaking apart or slumping really hard into break up. One of the most recent examples of this is LGD.int and Sigma.int. In the former case the players are all really good and on good teams now (Mouz/Navi.US). Sometimes it's not a case of a player being bad but just some kind of team gelling and style that works out.

The rule is also partly in place to stop them from inviting a team then the team that shows up at the international is completely different with none of the reasoning for the invite in the first place. Can just imagine if they invite say Sigma.int because they were doing really well then that team now breaks up into Mouz and whatever team the frenchies are on. It's a product of the way they handle the invite structure and protecting players. I'd imagine if there were actual player unions and someone to enforce contracts none of this would be needed.

I mentioned this on LD, but that's more a scene stability issue. Outside of TI, there's no incentive for teams to consistently field the best possible team they have.

outside of TI, qualifying for TI, or competing in any of the 20 major six figure+ prize pool tournaments, i agree.

Prizepools are not stable income, except for consistent top teams. For everyone else it's feast or famine.

If the current environment for the dota scene is to scramble up teams last second for a single tournament because they think that's their best chance. I think that is more indicative of teams unable to sign firm contracts due to lack of long term financial security.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 27 2014 22:39 GMT
#46132
On June 28 2014 07:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:25 Scip wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:20 Cixah wrote:
On June 28 2014 07:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
...I'm a fucking idiot.


It's ok. In the IT world we call these "Learning Experiences."

"Plug in the fucking mic all the way Jeff"

+ Show Spoiler +
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR TWO DAYS

You couldn't get a girl pregnant if you tried to


Well then it's a good thing he's not trying to!

Source?


your comment
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:41:50
June 27 2014 22:39 GMT
#46133
On June 28 2014 07:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Prizepools are not stable income, except for consistent top teams. For everyone else it's feast or famine.

If the current environment for the dota scene is to scramble up teams last second for a single tournament because they think that's their best chance. I think that is more indicative of teams unable to sign firm contracts due to lack of long term financial security.

Do... do you think teams don't have contracts or pay salary or have sponsorships in dota?

Era is under contract for Fnatic.

I understand its a common sentiment among league fans who cling to riots every word that dota is prize pool only.. but TL goers should know better.

if you scramble up a team last minute, then you don't get a TI4 invite. at best you have to win a qualifier tournament if you are a newer team. last TI there were teams that lost invites for trying to do what you suggest and trying to get a better team last minute.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
June 27 2014 22:44 GMT
#46134
Guys ready to game?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 27 2014 22:45 GMT
#46135
On June 28 2014 07:44 Shelke14 wrote:
Guys ready to game?


finishing this smite game, grabbing subway, making a drink, then i'll be ready
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 27 2014 22:47 GMT
#46136
On June 28 2014 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 06:56 kainzero wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:48 Numy wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 28 2014 06:17 kainzero wrote:
On June 28 2014 05:34 caelym wrote:
Delicious drama is cooking up at TI4. A doctor really needs to approve Era's health because of course a player is going to say he can play irregardless of his health.

fnatic shouldn't have gone public. pitchforks were raised at valve and then valve posted some pretty damning documentation.

also i like how it's being called drama just because i feel like that when the conditions are met, "drama" evolves into "politics".

EDIT: ooooh okay, i get it.

fnatic wants to play without this era dude, but valve is like "yo, let this kid play".

I see a lot of valve praise, but tbh shouldn't it be a teams decision?


Valve doesn't invite teams, they invite 5 players that form the team so the team can't make any changes to who goes.

they can if the player is unable to play, like fear.

that is where the suspicion is, because fnatic went public and said valve isn't allowing them to play with excalibur because era has a medical condition preventing him from playing and that they would risk his health by playing him.

but this info from valve says that era is able to play just fine so now it looks like fnatic was just trying to rally public support. tricky.
On June 28 2014 06:50 wei2coolman wrote:
and this is retarded.

no it's not.
if you want a seeded invite based on past performance then you need to keep your team together.
you can always earn an invite at the qualifying tournament, like LGD did last year after their changes.

No, I want the best fucking team each organization can field so I can see the best fucking games. Not forcing players to play together because the tourney organization says so.

Also, you'd be seriously misguided if you think teams would just willynilly do team trades and think their team is going to magically get better. The teams have to invest serious amount of downtime to replace players to create a better overall team, and if the team doesn't need a long time to see improvement then that means the player you replaced was fucking shittier than zoonie, and deserved to get replaced.

"I can see the best fucking games" -- i'm pretty sure you watch NA LoL. high quality play yup
the reality is that the quality of a game is dependent on so many random elements.

"forcing players to play together" -- every major sport has a period where they need to lock in their roster. this is also done to protect the players, they don't want to work hard and then get cut after the invite while they pick up star players from other teams and bootcamp until TI. again the option to qualify through the tournament with a new roster is always open.

"The teams have to invest serious amount of downtime to replace players to create a better overall team," -- oh you mean like fnatic picking up excalibur right before the summit and taking a game off of DK in an embarrassing fashion? there are many examples in competition, in videogames or sports, where the addition of a new player really buoys a team.

having locked in rosters for any sort of qualification is standard for any sport. to disagree is okay. to call it "retarded" is something else.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 27 2014 22:53 GMT
#46137
On June 28 2014 07:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2014 07:44 Shelke14 wrote:
Guys ready to game?


finishing this smite game, grabbing subway, making a drink, then i'll be ready


cmon now publix subs > jersey mikes > jimmy johns > subway.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 27 2014 22:56 GMT
#46138
Jimmy Johns is only good if I'm feeling lazy and don't want to drive, in which case I would rather order a pizza anyway.

Jimmy Johns is generally shit.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 27 2014 22:58 GMT
#46139
On June 28 2014 07:56 Cixah wrote:
Jimmy Johns is only good if I'm feeling lazy and don't want to drive, in which case I would rather order a pizza anyway.

Jimmy Johns is generally shit.

this is how i feel with subway as well. at least jimmy johns delivers, while subway does not. that is the difference between them to me.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 22:59:56
June 27 2014 22:59 GMT
#46140
what gams do i need

I deleted TF2 i think the other day lol
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