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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Malygos needs 2 turns of setup to work for the OHK, and even then, with Velen you can just Faceless Manipulator on the second turn and double mind-blast for 40 damage (the Velen effect multiplies with itself), not including the 7 dmg attack. Velen just flat out better as a finisher, since Malygos modifies Holy Fire/Mind blast damage to the same degree as Velen, and only a +3 difference for Holy Smite. With a faceless, Velen's better except again with Holy Smite. Velen's a core for mind blast priests for this very reason. Malygos works for rogue because they have tons of low/no mana spells and preparation (and stealth to allow him to survive till the second turn), so they can utilize him on turn 1 or protect him until turn 2). Priest doesn't have the same kind of mechanisms, and Velen just does it better as a finisher anyways. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:05 Slayer91 wrote: the real question is how to get board control to get the first 10-16 damage as a priest My current deck is just to chock up large amounts of AoE clear and holy fire their face in for 10, that and incidental Holy Nova damage should do the trick. If I don't have coin and two mind-blasts, I can throw one out if need as well to bring them low enough for the combo. Auchenaix2+circle of healingx2, Pyros+Holy Novas, or Holy Novas+Thalnos. I've tried watchers and blademasters, but they feel inconsistent to me (and blademasters compete already with Auchenai and pyro/cleric card draw combos for circle). Rather have Senjin/Sunwalker taunts. Might try shadowform one of these days. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On April 30 2014 08:15 Alaric wrote: Is that a more-or-less subtle jab at Advance Wars? (No intended aggressivity, just my impermeability to common sense.) No, I find Advance Wars really fun lol. I'm mainly saying how Heroes of Light and Shadow is just not that great and it's really fiddly. On April 30 2014 08:19 Crusnik wrote: I have played all of the FE NA releases, multiple times. I should try to S-rank Hector Hard mode one of these days, or just speedrun. I'm actually using characters I didn't use a lot last time I played Awakening this time, just because I wanted more variety, also different support convos. Still doing Nowi x Gregor though, Gregor is good man, is very strong, yet simple. Also, their kid hates them both because of how they act, it's hilarious. Unlock all the Support conversations gogo~ On April 30 2014 08:28 Frudgey wrote: Also from what limited Fire Emblem games I've played, I felt that Shadow Dragon was the weakest one of the handheld instalments (Though I haven't played New Mystery), though I did like it more than Path of Radiance. (Haven't played Radiant Dawn either) The thing with Shadow Dragon is that it's a very faithful port of the original... which came out in 1990. So there are a fair few problems like how there are 58(!!) playable characters but the game mostly just throws them at you and doesn't give a lot of backstory so they don't mean anything unless you already know the lore. Most of them suck really bad too which doesn't help. It also railroads you a bit into certain strategies unless you RNG-abuse the heck out of the game. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
Also, does anyone else have to think about actually using the term "characters" to describe NPCs/avatars in games? Personally I want to use "toon" whenever talking about them for some reason. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I just call them characters or Avatar for FE:A. Toon is more of a MMORPG sort of thing to me. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: My current deck is just to chock up large amounts of AoE clear and holy fire their face in for 10, that and incidental Holy Nova damage should do the trick. If I don't have coin and two mind-blasts, I can throw one out if need as well to bring them low enough for the combo. Auchenaix2+circle of healingx2, Pyros+Holy Novas, or Holy Novas+Thalnos. I've tried watchers and blademasters, but they feel inconsistent to me (and blademasters compete already with Auchenai and pyro/cleric card draw combos for circle). Rather have Senjin/Sunwalker taunts. Might try shadowform one of these days. That just loses to most aggro decks though, even with your soulpriest + circle of healing combo. I'd be tempted to vs it with my rush decks and see if it lasts. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Little does he know I'm going to fill my new case with little plastic robots mwahaha. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:35 Zdrastochye wrote: That just loses to most aggro decks though, even with your soulpriest + circle of healing combo. I'd be tempted to vs it with my rush decks and see if it lasts. Nearly every priest deck ever doesn't win vs rush unless really good draws though lol. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:35 Zdrastochye wrote: That just loses to most aggro decks though, even with your soulpriest + circle of healing combo. I'd be tempted to vs it with my rush decks and see if it lasts. There's enough healing to survive against most aggro decks once you get over the initial hump. And yeah, it does, actually: between pyros and holy smites (which can and should be used early and liberally against aggro decks), you last until Auchenai/Holy Nova combos. By then aggro decks just run out of steam after a few good AoE clears. Even if you don't have an early game play, healing face is enough to stabilize. That being said, it's not meant to deal with aggro decks, but midrange and control decks (which I see far more of). It will kill hunters of all stripes as long as you aren't completely screwed over by the mulligan. And does even better against control warlock than vanilla priest (which is a good matchup until jaraxxus: here it's a good matchup even when he goes jaraxxus because you can still kill him quickly, or sit him at 20 hp and just kill mountain giants, while you wait for your coin combo). I mean, carrying 2 faceless manips and 2 SW:Ds definitely orients the deck to anti-control.. It does depend very much on how well you mulligan. Like I said, it's not a refined deck yet. Was breaking even with it at rank 10, but I'm not risking my current Rank 5 lead over aura for moar priest games. It needs more work before I feel confident breaking it into ranked. Still ranking with mage. Velen's still MILES better than Malygos for priest, which was the original premise here. On April 30 2014 10:47 BlackPaladin wrote: Nearly every priest deck ever doesn't win vs rush unless really good draws though lol. Honestly it does better vs aggro because I'm actually packing holy smites. Non-mind blast/spell damage priests forgo it for inner fire/divine spirit, or else watcher-sunfury/silence combos, but pyro/holy smite is enough early game anti-aggro. I need to turn on my HS tracker for once, but aggro was dealt with reliably enough when I was playing it. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Not using the Velen mind blast deck though Are you guys going to keep me company tomorrow as I miss my second day of internship (4th year) to stay home with my perpetually sick son? I'm quite upset atm | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:57 Zdrastochye wrote: You think that build performs well against zoo lock? I keep forgetting to turn on HST when I rank, but I recall I was winning at least 50% of the games against zoo lock. It was murloc warlocks that were giving me headaches because no fking SW: Pain for the Warleaders. The mulligan makes or breaks priest against aggro, as always. It depends on getting a few critical early combos in hand. Like pyro-holy smite, a holy nova, or an auchenai/circle of healing. Or Senjins. Holy smite by itself is crucial if you need to kill off the knife jugglers. Heck, I'll put down a NSC turn 1 just to bait out a coin-juggler if necessary (as that's generally the SOP when dealing with a 1/3 for a zoo lock). The tempo you buy from it, and from him having to kill the NSC, is crucial. I'd never save the coin against an aggro deck; coin-auchenai-circle of fire into Senjin is too necessary for that. If you want an anti-aggro deck, copy the aggro mage deck I linked earlier in the thread, or the midrange mage I run (both you can find earlier in the page). Unless you get screwed by a mulligan badly, you win normally. Just never expect to win against control warrior. my bnet id is LordTolkien#1449 if you're looking for a scrap. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 30 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Can vouch for the above: at rank 11, still winning w/priest vs all decks basically...even aggro Not using the Velen mind blast deck though Are you guys going to keep me company tomorrow as I miss my second day of internship (4th year) to stay home with my perpetually sick son? I'm quite upset atm Is that an internship you'd really really like to become a job upon graduation/licensing, or no? Obviously it sucks to miss time for a sick child(for multiple reasons, missing time and your child being sick are both negative), but I'd be less down about it if I didn't really like the job prospect and it was purely for credit/resume building. On a related note, I'm almost done with everything. Nearing time to become a full fledged productive member of society. Scary. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 30 2014 11:15 red_ wrote: Is that an internship you'd really really like to become a job upon graduation/licensing, or no? Obviously it sucks to miss time for a sick child(for multiple reasons, missing time and your child being sick are both negative), but I'd be less down about it if I didn't really like the job prospect and it was purely for credit/resume building. On a related note, I'm almost done with everything. Nearing time to become a full fledged productive member of society. Scary. inorite productive, me? <_< | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Took a swig, realized its literally just club soda with a very very very faint hint of flavor, and was about to trash it, until I kept drinking it, and realized I don't really like sodas for taste, just the carbon burning my throat. Not sure if there's anything truly damaging to the body by drinking tons of carbonated drinks, even if its just club soda. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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