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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 25 2014 18:51 GMT
#30101
Just found out Childish Gambino coming to Seattle in May

10 pts for Gryffindor
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 25 2014 18:52 GMT
#30102
On March 26 2014 03:44 Requizen wrote:
So Smite went live today, a short while ago Hearthstone as well, both in open beta beforehand. Heroes of the Storm is in a fairly confined but publicly viewable Alpha phase, and a lot of games on Steam are going for these "early access" models where people pay nearly full price to play games before release. Heck, LoL and DotA2 were open or near-open beta for a long time prior as well.

Does this bother anyone else? I mean sure, it's nice to see and play things early, but doesn't it kind of take the fun out of Launch Day? Doesn't it kind of tarnish the magic of new games a bit?

I mean, it doesn't ruin the games, but what's the point of having a "Launch" if everyone's been able to play it for a while beforehand? Especially in games where there's patches very often and the game is going to change drastically from the launch version anyway.

On one hand, I know it's a way to get a lot of testers, but then, it's not really testing if everyone can see it anyway, no? I guess it gives them an excuse for bugs ("It's in Beta!" cried all the Smite players), but then in games like this you still have bugs post-release anyway and then you no longer have that excuse.

I dunno, I was just thinking about it a bit and it was irking me.


Depends on how they use these "endless" beta's. For example, I had no issue with Hearthstone or Gw2's beta stuff. It was actually fixing stuff and you could see why it shouldn't be released yet(the original beta priest was so meh). I do take issue when these beta's are forced live and the game is still not done, headlining features still not inplace.(see mechwarrior online)

These things have advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on how the dev's use them. Honestly I think it's better then the old way simply because you have cases of ESO or pretty much every console release who have put all this stuff into day 1 buying and pre-orders and bigger editions and you kinda feel like they want the money so you cant really then be like "this game sucks" because they still got like 80$ from you more if it's an mmo and you paid for a month(remember when the first month was free?)
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 25 2014 18:53 GMT
#30103
On March 26 2014 03:51 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Just found out Childish Gambino coming to Seattle in May

10 pts for Gryffindor


gloverlay?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2014 18:55 GMT
#30104
On March 26 2014 03:52 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 03:44 Requizen wrote:
So Smite went live today, a short while ago Hearthstone as well, both in open beta beforehand. Heroes of the Storm is in a fairly confined but publicly viewable Alpha phase, and a lot of games on Steam are going for these "early access" models where people pay nearly full price to play games before release. Heck, LoL and DotA2 were open or near-open beta for a long time prior as well.

Does this bother anyone else? I mean sure, it's nice to see and play things early, but doesn't it kind of take the fun out of Launch Day? Doesn't it kind of tarnish the magic of new games a bit?

I mean, it doesn't ruin the games, but what's the point of having a "Launch" if everyone's been able to play it for a while beforehand? Especially in games where there's patches very often and the game is going to change drastically from the launch version anyway.

On one hand, I know it's a way to get a lot of testers, but then, it's not really testing if everyone can see it anyway, no? I guess it gives them an excuse for bugs ("It's in Beta!" cried all the Smite players), but then in games like this you still have bugs post-release anyway and then you no longer have that excuse.

I dunno, I was just thinking about it a bit and it was irking me.


Depends on how they use these "endless" beta's. For example, I had no issue with Hearthstone or Gw2's beta stuff. It was actually fixing stuff and you could see why it shouldn't be released yet(the original beta priest was so meh). I do take issue when these beta's are forced live and the game is still not done, headlining features still not inplace.(see mechwarrior online)

These things have advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on how the dev's use them. Honestly I think it's better then the old way simply because you have cases of ESO or pretty much every console release who have put all this stuff into day 1 buying and pre-orders and bigger editions and you kinda feel like they want the money so you cant really then be like "this game sucks" because they still got like 80$ from you more if it's an mmo and you paid for a month(remember when the first month was free?)

Well now they're learning that trick too. "Early Access" releases (which I personally haven't taken part in) are basically just paying the full price for the game to play the Alpha/Beta. That feels really skeezy to me, though if they're smart they'll actually use it to fix bugs and make a good game. Still takes the fun out of release, tho, imo.

But I agree. There are some that have been useful/necesary, but I really hope this trend doesn't spread too far.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 25 2014 18:56 GMT
#30105
You can still have launch day hype if there are features held back from the beta as well as downtime between beta and release.

SC2 is a good example. Single-player held back and there was a week or two where they shut the beta down before release. I was mad hyped for that. I think my dad made me wash the truck when I got home with my SC2 box QQ.
I am the Town Medic.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 25 2014 18:56 GMT
#30106
On March 26 2014 03:44 Requizen wrote:
So Smite went live today, a short while ago Hearthstone as well, both in open beta beforehand. Heroes of the Storm is in a fairly confined but publicly viewable Alpha phase, and a lot of games on Steam are going for these "early access" models where people pay nearly full price to play games before release. Heck, LoL and DotA2 were open or near-open beta for a long time prior as well.

Does this bother anyone else? I mean sure, it's nice to see and play things early, but doesn't it kind of take the fun out of Launch Day? Doesn't it kind of tarnish the magic of new games a bit?

I mean, it doesn't ruin the games, but what's the point of having a "Launch" if everyone's been able to play it for a while beforehand? Especially in games where there's patches very often and the game is going to change drastically from the launch version anyway.

On one hand, I know it's a way to get a lot of testers, but then, it's not really testing if everyone can see it anyway, no? I guess it gives them an excuse for bugs ("It's in Beta!" cried all the Smite players), but then in games like this you still have bugs post-release anyway and then you no longer have that excuse.

I dunno, I was just thinking about it a bit and it was irking me.

i'm ignorant as to trends in purchasable games on steam, but mmos have been using the beta model for a very long time now, especially for f2p localized versions of korean games. the 'magic of launch day' is just moved to open beta day 1
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 25 2014 18:59 GMT
#30107
On March 26 2014 03:49 ComaDose wrote:
Alright blade runner is added to must watch list.

I think open beta completely kills launch day hype because everyone who is excited to play it is already playing it. And no one is lining up at stores anymore to grab from that big display near the door, its all online.

Edit: ^ if you like Japanese literature i read Kafka on the Shore and it was immediately in my top 10 of all time. I read it in English but i bet its an even better trip in Japanese.

I did read 1Q84 and enjoyed it, so I'll probably return to Murakami once I finish this other book I'm reading, Confessions.

Apparently the movie is really good but I don't want to watch it because it might spoil the book.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 25 2014 19:08 GMT
#30108
Man, I heard there is some new tough guy roaming the D3 world as of yesterday. Anyone want to join me tonight and fuck him up?
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 25 2014 19:09 GMT
#30109
I heard the last boss is a lot of fun.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 25 2014 19:12 GMT
#30110
On March 26 2014 03:55 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 03:52 Parnage wrote:
On March 26 2014 03:44 Requizen wrote:
So Smite went live today, a short while ago Hearthstone as well, both in open beta beforehand. Heroes of the Storm is in a fairly confined but publicly viewable Alpha phase, and a lot of games on Steam are going for these "early access" models where people pay nearly full price to play games before release. Heck, LoL and DotA2 were open or near-open beta for a long time prior as well.

Does this bother anyone else? I mean sure, it's nice to see and play things early, but doesn't it kind of take the fun out of Launch Day? Doesn't it kind of tarnish the magic of new games a bit?

I mean, it doesn't ruin the games, but what's the point of having a "Launch" if everyone's been able to play it for a while beforehand? Especially in games where there's patches very often and the game is going to change drastically from the launch version anyway.

On one hand, I know it's a way to get a lot of testers, but then, it's not really testing if everyone can see it anyway, no? I guess it gives them an excuse for bugs ("It's in Beta!" cried all the Smite players), but then in games like this you still have bugs post-release anyway and then you no longer have that excuse.

I dunno, I was just thinking about it a bit and it was irking me.


Depends on how they use these "endless" beta's. For example, I had no issue with Hearthstone or Gw2's beta stuff. It was actually fixing stuff and you could see why it shouldn't be released yet(the original beta priest was so meh). I do take issue when these beta's are forced live and the game is still not done, headlining features still not inplace.(see mechwarrior online)

These things have advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on how the dev's use them. Honestly I think it's better then the old way simply because you have cases of ESO or pretty much every console release who have put all this stuff into day 1 buying and pre-orders and bigger editions and you kinda feel like they want the money so you cant really then be like "this game sucks" because they still got like 80$ from you more if it's an mmo and you paid for a month(remember when the first month was free?)

Well now they're learning that trick too. "Early Access" releases (which I personally haven't taken part in) are basically just paying the full price for the game to play the Alpha/Beta. That feels really skeezy to me, though if they're smart they'll actually use it to fix bugs and make a good game. Still takes the fun out of release, tho, imo.

But I agree. There are some that have been useful/necesary, but I really hope this trend doesn't spread too far.


Yeah, I got the early access release of Starbound and while it's been kinda fun it's very far from a complete game, maybe a year away, not that anyone pretended that it wasn't. The main thing I don't like about early access is that it shows up in the same space as games that are actually finished and IMO the released games don't deserve to be knocked off of featured lists or what have you because some other developer decided to release an alpha.

The other problem I have is that unless the developer is disciplined there's the real temptation to work on features they can show off and generate buzz with rather than engine stuff and yeah, there always is that risk of them simply not living up to their promises. Starbound in particular sometimes seems to promise that it'll be the end-all be-all of sandbox gaming and I know that's not going to happen.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2014 19:21 GMT
#30111
So there's a Diablo 3 subforum that I can find through the Search feature but I can't see anywhere on the sidebar?
It's your boy Guzma!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 25 2014 19:22 GMT
#30112
On March 26 2014 04:21 Requizen wrote:
So there's a Diablo 3 subforum that I can find through the Search feature but I can't see anywhere on the sidebar?

people are complaining about that here too http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/446524-customizing-sidebar
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
March 25 2014 19:25 GMT
#30113
I had a hard time finding it too. Click the "other games" header on the left hand side and it's there.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2014 19:29 GMT
#30114
On March 26 2014 04:25 Shelke14 wrote:
I had a hard time finding it too. Click the "other games" header on the left hand side and it's there.

Yeah I see it now. Strange that it's gone from the sidebar, though.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 25 2014 19:30 GMT
#30115
I love it when you complete something for someone then give it to them so they can look it over before the next important task and then they don't do that. I thought this work was supposed to be important?
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2014 19:36 GMT
#30116
On March 26 2014 04:30 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I love it when you complete something for someone then give it to them so they can look it over before the next important task and then they don't do that. I thought this work was supposed to be important?

Developer: "Alright, I fixed this error you were having, can you please take a look and let me know if it's alright or still broken?"
Client/User: "Will do, thanks!"

THREE WEEKS OF RADIO SILENCE LATER

C/U: "Oh hey by the way that thing's still broken and has been since you asked about it."
D: *OH WELL THANKS FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION NOW, BITCH* "Alright, I'll look into it as soon as I can. Thanks for the update."
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 25 2014 20:10 GMT
#30117
Always assume that the user is either stupid, malicious, or both.
I am the Town Medic.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 25 2014 20:10 GMT
#30118
On March 26 2014 04:36 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2014 04:30 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I love it when you complete something for someone then give it to them so they can look it over before the next important task and then they don't do that. I thought this work was supposed to be important?

Developer: "Alright, I fixed this error you were having, can you please take a look and let me know if it's alright or still broken?"
Client/User: "Will do, thanks!"

THREE WEEKS OF RADIO SILENCE LATER

C/U: "Oh hey by the way that thing's still broken and has been since you asked about it."
D: *OH WELL THANKS FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION NOW, BITCH* "Alright, I'll look into it as soon as I can. Thanks for the update."


Even better when the customer is an internal business user.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 25 2014 20:15 GMT
#30119
On March 26 2014 05:10 Alzadar wrote:
Always assume that the user is either stupid, malicious, or both.

d.a.u.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2014 20:19 GMT
#30120
The s.o. says that I can be cynical about people and sometimes I act like people are generally stupid rather than the opposite.

But she doesn't work in IT/Software.
It's your boy Guzma!
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