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New inhouse logistics TBD. In the meantime, feel free to hang out in the league general discord https://discord.gg/0lCEKA3jUEFxERzd ("add lol" in #welcome) and get some ad-hoc games going!
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
August 15 2013 08:24 GMT
#501
Looking forward to being around for one of these in the near future! I just hope there's none of the negative emotions that people have been talking about on the past 2 pages
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 15 2013 08:50 GMT
#502
On August 15 2013 17:24 Complete wrote:
Looking forward to being around for one of these in the near future! I just hope there's none of the negative emotions that people have been talking about on the past 2 pages

As long as you can take criticism to improve you'll be fine. Haven't had an issue with any name calling or non constructive criticisms. So far.
liftlift > tsm
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
August 15 2013 09:42 GMT
#503
On August 15 2013 14:35 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:26 Couvre wrote:
I hope you will change your mind and play with us again. You provide the most useful insight on why our team loses, and your game sense/cerebral play is a joy to learn from.

Because you were so nice and that was probably one of the biggest compliments I've ever received I'll reevaluate my withdrawal. Thanks for changing my mind.

Please do. I'll be back this weekend and you've been one of my favorite teammates so far. Everyone hits bumps here and there.
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 12:29:22
August 15 2013 12:27 GMT
#504
it was good game yesterday. I'm unranked and coming into the game I was just determined to not be a feeder and played too passively in the lane match up as Lux vs LeBlanc especially in the first couple levels lv1-3 maybe where LeBlanc isnt too good. I gave up too much free cs

also I roamed too much and without any objectives or commitals in mind so that wasnt good. I should have pushed my lane a bit more to counter leblanc roam and put pressure back mid. also i tried intercepting leblanc one time and that was a decent move except for the fact fiddle was close by and I should have known since he was on the mini just a while ago. i should back off as soon as i did a little damage on leblanc especially since my laser was on cooldown. overall i got some very good advice and it was fun playing.

other notes: im pretty happy about one play where i got to blow up cait around the bush between our red and the dragon. sejuani accidentally took the 3rd or 4th blue cuz of the flail. little bit of a bummer. i also missed an ez laser or two.

these are just my current notes. may comment more later
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 13:19:05
August 15 2013 12:38 GMT
#505
On August 15 2013 14:47 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 14:35 Roffles wrote:
On August 15 2013 14:29 Ketara wrote:
Okay, apparently the inhouse crew made me cry on TS then.

If you guys are going to be so mean as to bring people to tears, I probably shouldn't be playing IH games anymore.

Okay. Let me be honest and not a dick.

There were people trying give you advice and legitimately help you improve your play. You need to stop blaming your teammates when you're losing and think about why you're losing the lane. We were telling you how to effectively farm even if you're losing the lane. Even if you're down like 30-40 CS, if we take the tower, you can still farm. We were telling you these things, but instead you focused on crying about how Kiss wasn't bot every 25 seconds of the game.

We're not trying to be mean. No one is trying to harm anyone else's feelings. We play with many players that are worse than you, but the difference between you and them is that they are usually more receptive to criticism than you are. Your team was helping you in game to calm you down and get you back into the game. After game, we were trying to give you tips and pointers on why it was fine and that you really just needed to farm while Nami cleared wards to allow you to do so freely.

I absolutely did NOT hear anything that was along the lines of "OH KETARA U SUCK DICK AT THIS GAME LOLOLOL". You were crying as soon as we hopped into your channel, crying about why you didn't get a hard camp every single level of the game. It's your fault that you took a shielded headshot at lvl 1. It's your fault that you didn't respect the Caitlyn damage at 1-2. It's your fault that you weren't able to CS well in lane. You cannot blame other people on this for being completely smashed in lane. You have to be reasonable and receptive to what others are trying to tell you.


I was upset when we came into the channel because Kiss said that I never communicated that bot lane needed help, when I had literally been doing that since before the game started. We needed help, and I had kept saying it the entire game long, then as soon as the game was over Kiss said that I wasn't communicating how far behind we were.

I don't play bot lane much and I don't know what you're supposed to do in that situation. Should we have left the tower earlier? Should I have stayed more passive at the tier 2 tower afterwards? Should I have builded any differently?

I understand the logic behind warding the jungle so the enemy bot lane can't push hard. But the issue was by the time the tier 1 tower went down, Cait was so far ahead of me that even 1v1 she could prevent me from getting CS entirely. Trist doesn't really have a way to safely farm from behind, since she has no skillshots to get CS at range and has to push the wave just from autoing.

So did I misplay it so badly at levels 1 and 2 that there was no way to come back from it? I felt like my big mistake early on was going in when Monte landed the bubble on Cait rather than disengaging, which forced me to go back early and lose a wave of EXP. That was a big problem.

After the tower went down, I really don't know how I should have been playing differently. I was asking for help because I knew that our late game was pretty reliant on me having farm and I could not farm basically at all. I didn't start getting any reasonable CS until Caitlyn left bot lane to go group up and win the game. Should I have kept farming then too?


But again, I was not crying. You did not make another player so emotional that they started crying on teamspeak, and I sort of feel like you're lording over me the fact that I got upset. I was getting pretty upset sure, and that's why I left. I didn't want to get more upset, and do something like start crying.

I do appreciate the criticism, it's clear that I need to do better against a Cait Janna combo early in the game. I would appreciate it more if it didn't come with such an attitude.

I've made that exact same problem when I played nami with uhh... i think it was vowels: OOH BUBBLE LANDED TIME TO GO HAM, both of us forgetting/not realizing how far behind we were (even though it was before first recall) Then I died. I'm scared of playing Nami lanes right now, she's really hard. D:

After you lose the tower, freezing the lane deep on your side and farming is a good way to do some damage control. Your support has freedom to roam if you're farming somewhere safely, and if Cait/Janna are trying to pressure you without their team they're much easier to gank. There are still going to be times where you need to go group, but try to keep an eye on the minimap for big waves of farm whenever there isn't action that needs you RIGHT NOW.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 15 2013 14:05 GMT
#506
On August 15 2013 15:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Learned a lot this game, despite 6-1-9 (subtle brag). Mostly learned a lot from enemy mistakes, had a huge discussion after game about jungling pressure, and what junglers can get away with.

I got away with a lot things I shouldn't of that game.

-Enemy team should have definitely punished our team with a level 1 invade. Their level 1 was straight up stronger.
-Also shouldn't of gotten Trundle first blood, but got lucky cuz Vlad ate fatty turret shots.
-Probably could have came bot a few more times, especially after I got Trundle a 3-0 start. There was no need for me to keep going top, it was silly. Especially since it could have transitioned into far better Dragon control (which was really poor by me, I definitely should have gotten some wards that game, but was winning so hard I didn't really feel like it was necessary).
-Need to work on smite mechanics, got dragon smited from me (Not even mad; perks of being a Curse fan).

As far as game mentality goes, especially for these in-houses. It's okay to be bad. That's the point of the entire thing. It's to show how bad you are, and bounce ideas on how to improve.

rey mysterio confirmed
Bronze player stuck in platinum
noFear
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada36 Posts
August 15 2013 14:11 GMT
#507
- Ingame name
Jannall
- Rank and division
Silver V
- If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two)
Support and ADC
- For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on
Zyra, Lulu
Vayne, Caitlyn
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
August 15 2013 14:49 GMT
#508
Registration
- Ingame name
TwinsenDude
- Rank and division
Platinum II

Dunno how often these things happen or how you guys get in contact (do you just message in-game? Or do you PM on TL? etc), but I'd like to try some time. I'm usually pretty good at calmly explaining how to correct mistakes (if I haven't been berated XD) when I play with friends that are receptive to criticism.

Is streaming allowed during these games?
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
August 15 2013 15:00 GMT
#509
Hanging out in the chat liquidpractice will help you catch most of the impromptu ones. Otherwise just check this thread for the most part. Also looks like Rofflez has Rat League for a channel too on week days.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
August 15 2013 15:06 GMT
#510
On August 13 2013 13:20 Roffles wrote:
Kay, let's try Mondays and Wednesdays at 9 PM Eastern (6 PM Pacific).

Channel: Rat League

Don't care if you're Diamond 1 or Bronze 5 or Unranked. Feel free to come play. We'll find a way to balance it.



Maybe get this in the OP?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 15 2013 18:25 GMT
#511
I've never thought people were negative in terms of criticism in these games. They were all useful and you have your option of just not taking them. I've never felt anyone was forcing their advice on me at any point so don't let the past few pages dissuade you.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 15 2013 18:34 GMT
#512
On August 16 2013 03:25 KissBlade wrote:
I've never thought people were negative in terms of criticism in these games. They were all useful and you have your option of just not taking them. I've never felt anyone was forcing their advice on me at any point so don't let the past few pages dissuade you.

Nice dragon smite steal btw. #cursefanboiproblems #smitevicous
liftlift > tsm
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 15 2013 18:44 GMT
#513
Haha thanks
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 16 2013 04:08 GMT
#514
On August 16 2013 00:06 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 13:20 Roffles wrote:
Kay, let's try Mondays and Wednesdays at 9 PM Eastern (6 PM Pacific).

Channel: Rat League

Don't care if you're Diamond 1 or Bronze 5 or Unranked. Feel free to come play. We'll find a way to balance it.



Maybe get this in the OP?


I honestly don't think it's a good idea. If people can't read/skim 2-3 pages behind, then they aren't going to put in effort to actually learn anything from the inhouses anyways.
Daikas
Profile Joined December 2010
United States118 Posts
August 16 2013 04:16 GMT
#515
Good games tonight. I played un-confidently, like I usually do in solo queue, but somehow managed to have alright games.
Is that a sword? Luxury! Is that a horse? Sloth! Is that a helmet? Vanity!
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 16 2013 04:20 GMT
#516
On August 15 2013 23:49 -orb- wrote:
Is streaming allowed during these games?


I see no reason streaming wouldn't be allowed. If you can handle spectating kibitz, it seems fine to me
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 14:24:28
August 16 2013 12:40 GMT
#517
Apologies to those on my team these last few inhouses. Played like trash the last few days .

A lot of mismanaged timing, map movements, etcs. Also very sloppy decision making in fights.

Areas to note for self: I shouldn't be picking champions that I'm completely unfamiliar with during these IH's because it really lopsides the game.
I have to be more willing to just "go for it" rather than take the safer calls. If I die in IH's, I can be more familiar with my champ's limits.

Game 1 notes: As Eve, I still need to look for more opportunities I can create space for my team. I gambled a bit going top instead of mid early on when it came to a hard camp which was a mistake in hindsight because kassadin was completely ungankable post 6 and really stomped our Gragas and Vlad ended up dc-ing during my camp top anyway so I got nothing done there besides "slow down" a kennen which pretty much accomplishes nothing. I also wasted a lot of time bot when bot was already ahead. I could've either just forced the turret earlier to open up drake or I could've just power farmed. Even though I'm trying to fix the "too passive" playstyle I've developed, I still need to keep in ind, I should take farm when the game allows me to.

Game 2 notes: Honestly looking over the game again in hindsight, the game was pretty much over when I had completely incorrect runes and started dorans blade. I was way too low from both the first red and the second red coming out of both at half health or less with zero pots. This pretty much made me a non factor for Elise's strongest points. If I started machete 5 pots, I would've been full off my clear and also had the magic pen/movement speed page instead of an attack damage/life steal page. I also botched the fight mid because of unfamiliarity with my champs burst but also because the poor clear left me very under powered. (I was lvl 3 to Zac's 4 and Jayce's 3). I also took way more convoluted pathing when going for ganks in attempts to flank when I could've just walked through lane and just pressured, wave cleared, etc.

All in all, trying to adjust certain aspects of my style has made me play "worse" than a lot of my previous games as a jungle but hopefully once I can adapt more aggressive plays into my game, it can improve my game long term.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 17 2013 06:18 GMT
#518
Saturday 4 PM EST - Channel Shin Ramyun

Be there tyvm. I'll be hosting these if I don't get dragged for weekend shifts.
God Bless
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
August 17 2013 07:32 GMT
#519
Aw, going to miss it again? Oh well, the food festival should be worth it...

Have fun, avoid drama!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 17 2013 21:11 GMT
#520
I'll probably do one around 4 PM PDT (less than 2 hours from now)
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