EPTThere were a ton of other misplays on my part too, like not shield heavy harass on my AD when i had full mana, and taking a shitty path when we were kiting a fight out, but for some of the big teamfights I felt like I was not in the right place at all
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
There were a ton of other misplays on my part too, like not shield heavy harass on my AD when i had full mana, and taking a shitty path when we were kiting a fight out, but for some of the big teamfights I felt like I was not in the right place at all | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 25 2013 08:35 xes wrote: What should you look for in positioning for Janna? Re that IH game last night in two specific teamfights I remember thinking "XXX is going to get caught out here and they're gonna engage and there is literally nothing I can do because I'm not in a position to ult them." One time my flash was up, one time it was not. Should I be sticking to my carry harder to make sure that I am always in position to ult someone off of them? Should I just flash ult to get out (no boots at the time, so probably sacrifice)? Was it that the teamfight broke out in a bad place (around the dragon pit curve) or that I wasn't in position? There were a ton of other misplays on my part too, like not shield heavy harass on my AD when i had full mana, and taking a shitty path when we were kiting a fight out, but for some of the big teamfights I felt like I was not in the right place at all oh wow, wtf is this. Actual game question in the IH thread? For Janna, you typically want to position yourself as a buffer. Enemy, you, then your ADC, in some sort of linear formation. If enemy dives in, Howling Gale first then Zephyr after they come back down. Minimize spell overlap for obvious reason. If your ADC has a brain, he'll be kiting to the best of his ability. Monsoon is essentially an "oh shit"/reset button. If you fail to zone with the rest of your kit, Monsoon to create distance off your carries immediately. The optimal Monsoon is when you can get into the middle of a fight and Monsoon enemies into various directions. Channel it fully for the heal and move speed debuff while your team picks off individual enemies blow into your team. Your shield should actually be prioritized for your ADC harass, not to mitigate damage imo. If you allow your ADC to get ahead in trades, it makes all your future Shields that much more effective. Edit: Also, Janna is your quintessential "babysit" Support. She is far more reactive and aggressive. If you're not in position to save your carry(s), that's on you. Flash/Monsoon if you have to but better anticipation and readiness solves that. Aggressive Flash/Monsoon for the big plays in lane. Hit 6. Flash/Monsoon enemy into your turret. Amazing. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
Between, Q, W, E, exhaust you already have a ton of protect your carry if need be. As good as flash ults look, it plays a pretty minimal part of Janna's kit (especially because in the instance of single picks, you usually can just slow them, Q them while walking past them to ult them into your team if need be). Flash ulting for a bad version of Gragas ult is rarely optimal. As for shielding, that's a lot of twitch and anticipation, imo. Once you get used to "oh he's moving up to harass", E-ing your carry becomes not too difficult. Edit: @_@ Neo you play Janna lane totally different than me. lol | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 25 2013 08:43 KissBlade wrote: The general rule of thumb is to use it to fend off big press R engages. (Fiddles, Amumu, Nocturne, etc). This can mean sticking to your carry but sometimes you just want to destroy the engage and leave it at that. Between, Q, W, E, exhaust you already have a ton of protect your carry if need be. As good as flash ults look, it plays a pretty minimal part of Janna's kit (especially because in the instance of single picks, you usually can just slow them, Q them while walking past them to ult them into your team if need be). Flash ulting for a bad version of Gragas ult is rarely optimal. As for shielding, that's a lot of twitch and anticipation, imo. Once you get used to "oh he's moving up to harass", E-ing your carry becomes not too difficult. Edit: @_@ Neo you play Janna lane totally different than me. lol Do you stand behind your ADC? In lane, I do. But into midgame, you have to pretty much lead the way imo. Technically, you can catch Dora the Explorer enemies roaming around. Passive Janna is kinda boring. Edit: Also, I'm taking into consideration of xes saying it was at Dragon. You cannot be in the back in a Dragon fight. You have to be in the middle of the fray and disrupt as much as possible. Don't be afraid to trade your life if your team wins off your Monsoon and picks up more kills for your death. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On October 25 2013 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: Do you stand behind your ADC? In lane, I do. But into midgame, you have to pretty much lead the way imo. Technically, you can catch Dora the Explorer enemies roaming around. Passive Janna is kinda boring. Edit: Also, I'm taking into consideration of xes saying it was at Dragon. You cannot be in the back in a Dragon fight. You have to be in the middle of the fray and disrupt as much as possible. Don't be afraid to trade your life if your team wins off your Monsoon and picks up more kills for your death. Yeah I might've misinterpretted what you meant. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 25 2013 09:07 Inschato wrote: Neo, Janna ultimate hasn't slowed since the Jarvan IV patch. Rest of your post appears to be accurate. I'm surprised old man Neo remembers that far back. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 25 2013 09:07 Inschato wrote: Neo, Janna ultimate hasn't slowed since the Jarvan IV patch. Rest of your post appears to be accurate. I dun goofed. In that case, full channel ulti is even less important, l0l. Heal is nice but completely cosmetic. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:44 Roffles wrote: Cheep is a cancerous player. Don't ever play with him. Henceforth known as cancerous sheep. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:44 Roffles wrote: Cheep is a cancerous player. Don't ever play with him. shut the fuck up toxic feggles | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
- Ingame name You Got Nothin - Rank and division Silver III - If you are a lowbie (Gold or below), include what position you would be interested in working on. (List two) Support ADC - For each role, identify two champions you wish to improve on Support: Sona, Janna, Leona ADC: Tristana, Ashe When is the next IH happening? | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:05 Roffles wrote: Cheep plz. Everyone FF'd a game and you wouldn't fuckin leave the game. How fucking toxic is that? you dick around and play a troll game then decide you're done with the game so you expect everyone to just follow you? if you're gonna waste my time dont expect me to bend over backwards not to waste yours at the cost of my own enjoyment kthx basically you have people doing shit they would never do in a real game and genreally fucking around and then at 16 minutes you decide you had enough so you leave, so you essentially wasted 10 x 16 minutes of time and you call me toxic lol fucking cancer | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 26 2013 06:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: you dick around and play a troll game then decide you're done with the game so you expect everyone to just follow you? if you're gonna waste my time dont expect me to bend over backwards not to waste yours at the cost of my own enjoyment kthx basically you have people doing shit they would never do in a real game and genreally fucking around and then at 16 minutes you decide you had enough so you leave, so you essentially wasted 10 x 16 minutes of time and you call me toxic lol fucking cancer We have mid Ezreal, top Teemo and our Teemo legit got raped without even popping Aatrox's passive. We had Korean bot lane who fed off his ass and the score was like legit 3-15. We tried to teamfight a few times and we just couldn't. You think we should have continued to play that game out? You want to waste other people's times? We legit lost and you were fucking cancerous because everyone else was out of the game and waiting for you to leave. Go fuck yourself cancer. | ||
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