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On February 12 2013 10:12 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 09:15 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On February 12 2013 07:49 ticklishmusic wrote:On February 12 2013 07:28 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On February 12 2013 05:09 Simberto wrote:
In my opinion, if you are really better then you are rated, just play jungle hecarim every game. If you don't get Hec, play vi instead. You can carry so hard with it, it is pretty much absurd. If you can't carry most of your games as jungle hec, you might need to consider that you are actually not as good as you think you are, and are indeed roughly where you belong. Like, i am pretty sure i could win about 70-80% of my games in bronze as jungle hec, and i am only barely plat and i usually play support. This is not because Hec is OP or anything, but he is pretty much the champion with whom you can exploit skill differentials the most, and if fed enough you can easily 1v3 the enemy team. Plus you don't give a fuck if your lanes fail, if they do you just farm that lane in addition to the jungle and get even richer. I gotta agree with this man, league thought my mmr was too low for my league/division (silver III) at the time and I was playing with silver 5s barely earning any points, but holy cow were those games easy. Carried a 4v5 as jungle panth. Wrecked 3 bot lanes as taric and got a 34.0 KDA in 2 games as Hecarim. I think that if you're matched against people who are below you in skill, it will show. Last season I was hovering at 1600 playing support exclusively. Did placements this week, ended up Bronze 3. In my last few games I had: 1. A Cait that wouldn't CS vs a Corki I kept under 3 bars of HP for most of lane phase as Sona, and somehow ended up 0/3 versus a legendary Corki by the end of the game. 2. Someone who instalocks Leona, doesn't ward, keeps blowing her W on the wave and fucking up my CS (I suck at AD already, but I felt like I did the best I could given the circumstances). 3. A team where I ask if they know how Thresh's lantern works and they tell me 'ofc am I stupid', then proceed to never grab it to safety when out of position. 4. An Ezreal who I get legendary in lane, then decides to NEVER be with the team because "he wants to finish his build before fight". We lost two dragons, Baron and the game. 5. A Kat that lost to a Karthus. Karthus had a RoA at approximately 10 minutes. We would kill him, get a couple low and then BOOM, Requiem kills us all. If I hadn't survived with 6 hp one of those times, he would have gotten 2 pentas in the same game. 6. I ask to jungle Fiddle, last pick goes jungle Annie without saying a word. Steals my blue and as much f my shit as she can, then tries to counterjungle and generally fucks up the game. Man, I can't even carry with fucking Sona. I've come to really dislike sona in the current meta. She's too squishy vs the more aggressive long sword + 2 pots / dorans blade openings. In regards to your other games... I don't even know man. Your frustration belongs here. Sona is fine IMO. The only champ that's a real threat to her is Leona, with Thresh a distant second (I don't even count Blitz cuz he's always banned). Just position well, land the occasional Q, get off as many autos (with passive procs) as you can and pickpocket your way up. Generally you can play pretty aggressive vs no-sustain lanes b/c you also have a heal. I play her because its just so braindead-- you harass the other side down, get kills if they stay too long then be sick aurabot with one of the best ults in the game. I've pretty much decided that unless I can get a +6 kill advantage bot lane, the game only has a 30% chance of victory. If its +6 kills, it might jump up to like 70%.
Sona isn't fine. Taric completely stomps her. Soraka's heal nullifies her aggression. Zyra/Lulu/Lux have more damaging poke. The only support she lanes well against is Nunu, and Nunu's got much better teamfight capabilities.
I used to pick Sona as my main support (27-10 in season 2), but now bot lane supports are all about being cc bots. Having a heal is just icing on the cake.
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What? While I agree that Taric is scary for sona, she pretty much just stomps on soraka, and you can take advantage of Taric if he ever uses dazzle and can't get proper followup (requires wresting bush control away from taric)
She's squishy, but she HURTS, even more than Lulu, and even though she isn't exactly a CC-bot, her Ultimate can easily turn teamfights around.
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Taric can be scary for Sona in the sense that if you wander too close you get stunned and bursted. However, that's generally not an issue for me. Sona's Q range is greater than Taric's E range by like 100 units or something so you can do a lot of harass to him and he'll just derp toward you trying to stun but you're juuust out of range. Sona shits on Taric if you just play carefully. There are silly flash-stun shenanigans, but that's the only real problem.
I don't know whether or not you can say Nunu has better teamfight that Sona. With max Q, your team is going in with 20 more AP/AD that the other, W adds HP to those who need it most and a mini-Aegis, E is easy chase/retreat, R wins games. Nunu has troll heal, (nerfed) atk/move steroid, iceball and ulti that will in most cases just make the opposing team burn one CC.
Sona shits on Raka. Lulu is good, but she trades a lot of poke for utility and Q is a skillshot. I'm continually underwhelmed with Zyra support, and Lux is just a shitty version of her that pretty much has to be a secondary AP that ends up anywhere between slightly underfed to useless.
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On February 13 2013 01:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Taric can be scary for Sona in the sense that if you wander too close you get stunned and bursted. However, that's generally not an issue for me. Sona's Q range is greater than Taric's E range by like 100 units or something so you can do a lot of harass to him and he'll just derp toward you trying to stun but you're juuust out of range. Sona shits on Taric if you just play carefully. There are silly flash-stun shenanigans, but that's the only real problem.
I don't know whether or not you can say Nunu has better teamfight that Sona. With max Q, your team is going in with 20 more AP/AD that the other, W adds HP to those who need it most and a mini-Aegis, E is easy chase/retreat, R wins games. Nunu has troll heal, (nerfed) atk/move steroid, iceball and ulti that will in most cases just make the opposing team burn one CC.
Sona shits on Raka. Lulu is good, but she trades a lot of poke for utility and Q is a skillshot. I'm continually underwhelmed with Zyra support, and Lux is just a shitty version of her that pretty much has to be a secondary AP that ends up anywhere between slightly underfed to useless.
The problem here is that sonas harass without powerchord is, while ok, not really something that taric cares about too much if he has 1-2 health pots. And if you want to powerchord, you are in stun range. I agree that the lane can work, but taric lanes are pretty scary for sona. I would still mostly pick her as a counter to nunu, because she is very good at that, and her teamfighting is at least at his level, too.
Zyra support is very specific. You win every fight where they jump onto any of you and you don't die before you get your combo off after level 6. You can also be very scary in lane, but if you miss your E, that gives the enemy a major window to do stuff to you and your carry where you can't really do anything to fight them.
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On February 13 2013 01:54 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 01:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
Taric can be scary for Sona in the sense that if you wander too close you get stunned and bursted. However, that's generally not an issue for me. Sona's Q range is greater than Taric's E range by like 100 units or something so you can do a lot of harass to him and he'll just derp toward you trying to stun but you're juuust out of range. Sona shits on Taric if you just play carefully. There are silly flash-stun shenanigans, but that's the only real problem.
I don't know whether or not you can say Nunu has better teamfight that Sona. With max Q, your team is going in with 20 more AP/AD that the other, W adds HP to those who need it most and a mini-Aegis, E is easy chase/retreat, R wins games. Nunu has troll heal, (nerfed) atk/move steroid, iceball and ulti that will in most cases just make the opposing team burn one CC.
Sona shits on Raka. Lulu is good, but she trades a lot of poke for utility and Q is a skillshot. I'm continually underwhelmed with Zyra support, and Lux is just a shitty version of her that pretty much has to be a secondary AP that ends up anywhere between slightly underfed to useless. The problem here is that sonas harass without powerchord is, while ok, not really something that taric cares about too much if he has 1-2 health pots. And if you want to powerchord, you are in stun range. I agree that the lane can work, but taric lanes are pretty scary for sona. I would still mostly pick her as a counter to nunu, because she is very good at that, and her teamfighting is at least at his level, too. Zyra support is very specific. You win every fight where they jump onto any of you and you don't die before you get your combo off after level 6. You can also be very scary in lane, but if you miss your E, that gives the enemy a major window to do stuff to you and your carry where you can't really do anything to fight them.
Q by itself starts to hurt quite a bit at level 3 though, and that Taric can't ignore. You hit him once or twice and that's a potion's worth gone.
Generally I save powerchord for the enemy carry-- when he goes in to CS, I hit him. Taric can't really be in range to stun me, otherwise he's getting poked at by my carry.
Yeah, I guess Zyra just isn't my style that much? I don't like playing passive. Her poke just feels really weak as well.
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The thing is, when I play taric vs sona. the lvl 2 flash intiate in the bush with a bursty ad means sona is dead instantaneously and even if she doesn't die, you force her to tower and any attempt to poke through a wave of minions at your tower means that you either have to over extend or you just don't poke. also, all your mana will go away healing yourself. Sona has to have the worst lvl 2 out of any support.
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I'm in a promotion series -> have to play support twice -> helplessly watch my team fails horribly twice -> gg
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On February 12 2013 22:05 TSBspartacus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 19:59 Sufficiency wrote:On February 12 2013 18:48 TSBspartacus wrote:On February 12 2013 17:55 Sufficiency wrote:
I just played against Steel Legion Lux. I will spare you with the rest of the details. Considering buying that skin and re-learning Lux just to see the rage when I fire my invisible abilities at them or they flash out of my auto-attacks since they think they are Q's. Yet another pay to win skin. God. What other skins would you say were pay-to-win? For uhh, scientific purposes. Blood lord Vladimir is the only one that comes to mind, or perhaps some of the ones with smaller models like Vandal Vladimir, or Underworld Twisted Fate.
Pulsefire Ezreal: Q animation looks too similar to auto, flying displaces his hitbox from his visual model.
Monarch Kog: flying displaces his hitbox from his visual model
BL Vlad/Tyrant Swain: auto-animation (based on anecdotal evidence)
Koi Nami: E visibility
Mad Scientist Ziggs: green bombs too hard to see (considering the game has mostly a greenish background
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I'm so sick.
SO SICK OF PEOPLE PLAYING THRESH.
I HAVE NOT HAD ONE FUCKING PERSON WHO DOESN'T KNOW NOT TO JUST GRAB ANYONE YOU CAN AND PULL THEM INTO YOU SO THEY CAN ONE SHOT YOUR SQUISHY ASS
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Thresh is not a soloQ champion.
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I'm tilting really hard on non-dominion games. Everything I do turns to fail. :<
Ah well, time to stop, gotta study up for this orgo test on Thursday.
Thresh is ok. you just gotta know how to play him to synergize with the AD. One of the coolest things about him imo is he can be played like Leona/Taric lane bully or Sona/Zyra/Lulu type harass and protect.
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And it's happened.
I am a lonely gold border in a sea of nothingness.
How could I have sunk so low?
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sucks being in china playing lol on 300-400ping. got to plat2 but so hard to keep going higher when i can have those games where its 100x harder to play
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I found this little gem in my picture folder. The scene in this game is so nice. 
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Who is the fucker that made AP Nidalee popular again? Except for maybe in the hands of 0,0001% of the LoL community, she is absolutely WORTHLESS and has ZERO presence in teamfights.
I'm totally fine with bruiser nid who can tank and at least interrupt / permaslow the enemy carry, but AP Nidalee just does NOTHING. Throw a spear every 6 seconds, hit maybe every 4th/5h and NEVER hit a crucial one. We've been dominating the game, but couldn't finish. So the enemy kept up and you just can't win with AP Nidalee on your team.
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On February 13 2013 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 22:05 TSBspartacus wrote:On February 12 2013 19:59 Sufficiency wrote:On February 12 2013 18:48 TSBspartacus wrote:On February 12 2013 17:55 Sufficiency wrote:
I just played against Steel Legion Lux. I will spare you with the rest of the details. Considering buying that skin and re-learning Lux just to see the rage when I fire my invisible abilities at them or they flash out of my auto-attacks since they think they are Q's. Yet another pay to win skin. God. What other skins would you say were pay-to-win? For uhh, scientific purposes. Blood lord Vladimir is the only one that comes to mind, or perhaps some of the ones with smaller models like Vandal Vladimir, or Underworld Twisted Fate. Pulsefire Ezreal: Q animation looks too similar to auto, flying displaces his hitbox from his visual model. Monarch Kog: flying displaces his hitbox from his visual model BL Vlad/Tyrant Swain: auto-animation (based on anecdotal evidence) Koi Nami: E visibility Mad Scientist Ziggs: green bombs too hard to see (considering the game has mostly a greenish background
I'm glad when i pick any of those skins i automatically win the game.
pay to win skins is still the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
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Just received 4+ reports because my support player disconnected and I called the enemy team tryhard for literally 3v1ing bot lane. This community is seriously the worst group of people I've seen. I don't understand how you can feel good about you 15 LP when you have to have the jungler sit in lane with you to take the tower down as soon as you realize the support is disconnected. Whatever, I'll take another ban for no reason.
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On February 14 2013 03:27 little fancy wrote:
Who is the fucker that made AP Nidalee popular again? Except for maybe in the hands of 0,0001% of the LoL community, she is absolutely WORTHLESS and has ZERO presence in teamfights.
I'm totally fine with bruiser nid who can tank and at least interrupt / permaslow the enemy carry, but AP Nidalee just does NOTHING. Throw a spear every 6 seconds, hit maybe every 4th/5h and NEVER hit a crucial one. We've been dominating the game, but couldn't finish. So the enemy kept up and you just can't win with AP Nidalee on your team.
I've had the exact opposite experience. AP Nidalee is one of the most bullshit champs in the game. First off, she NEVER dies. It is pretty much completely impossible to kill her, ever. Secondly, in those stupid situations where both teams just kind of hang around mid (which happen very often), but noone wants to commit, she is absurd. Hit one spear, get tower because the enemy can't fight at 1/3 health anymore. You can't escape her if anything goes wrong. And even if you win a teamfight because her team was stupid enough to engage before you are at 30% hp, half your team will just try to catch her in the jungle and get speared to death. As long as Nidalees team is smart enough to try to avoid engages unless the enemy has already been speared a few times, she is murderously good. Especially in soloqueue where it is pretty hard to convince your team to hard engage. Of course it also depends on the amount of hard engage you have in your team. But the average soloqueue team just has no way of handling her.
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On February 14 2013 06:40 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 03:27 little fancy wrote:
Who is the fucker that made AP Nidalee popular again? Except for maybe in the hands of 0,0001% of the LoL community, she is absolutely WORTHLESS and has ZERO presence in teamfights.
I'm totally fine with bruiser nid who can tank and at least interrupt / permaslow the enemy carry, but AP Nidalee just does NOTHING. Throw a spear every 6 seconds, hit maybe every 4th/5h and NEVER hit a crucial one. We've been dominating the game, but couldn't finish. So the enemy kept up and you just can't win with AP Nidalee on your team.
I've had the exact opposite experience. AP Nidalee is one of the most bullshit champs in the game. First off, she NEVER dies. It is pretty much completely impossible to kill her, ever. Secondly, in those stupid situations where both teams just kind of hang around mid (which happen very often), but noone wants to commit, she is absurd. Hit one spear, get tower because the enemy can't fight at 1/3 health anymore. You can't escape her if anything goes wrong. And even if you win a teamfight because her team was stupid enough to engage before you are at 30% hp, half your team will just try to catch her in the jungle and get speared to death. As long as Nidalees team is smart enough to try to avoid engages unless the enemy has already been speared a few times, she is murderously good. Especially in soloqueue where it is pretty hard to convince your team to hard engage. Of course it also depends on the amount of hard engage you have in your team. But the average soloqueue team just has no way of handling her.
I usually see them go like 6-0 or 6-1
but their team still loses cause nidalee is the most worthless hero in the game
tbh.
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