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On January 08 2013 20:52 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:12 sob3k wrote:
Oh my
I cannot believe this just happened.
ok, so we invade....our top lee sin gets FIVE KILLS, FIVE. They just kept coming and kept dying.
this Lee Sin buys and enters top lane 5-0, he starts laning with like a phage and shit
he then proceeds to lose the lane and die repeatedly to 0-1 Akali with ZERO jungle intervention.
We lost the game and he ended negative.
damn that must have been some spectacular akali play up there -_- LOL. I remember a Riven got a double kill at level one and went top to face Darius with boots 3 a Dorans and a cloth (She also got an assist). Look top at level 3 and she is getting zoned and 15 CS down. HOW
at least she was smart enough to go buy, ow she would be 45 cs down.
one time our mid got fb+2ndkill+assist out of invade and he doesnt shop. proceed to loose lane
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I've dropped like 120 elo in two days. I'm not even doing that bad... typical scores for my team are like 6-20, where I'm generating all of those kills or assisting in them. Every lane that isn't me feeds, every single game. -_-
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Holy shit... try to gank top for friend and get him ahead.. first gank he didn't ignite to finish off, second gank he had to afk at turret when it's a free kill.
Then when enemy top shopped and he didn't, he proceeds to duel him with only boots and die. Tries again right after to die a second time.
So i've spent all this time try to get him ahead and he throws it away. Then he mentions its a difficult matchup when his strategy involved going all-in in an match up he has little understanding off and is already behind.
So frustrating...
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On January 09 2013 14:59 R11 wrote:
Holy shit... try to gank top for friend and get him ahead.. first gank he didn't ignite to finish off, second gank he had to afk at turret when it's a free kill.
Then when enemy top shopped and he didn't, he proceeds to duel him with only boots and die. Tries again right after to die a second time.
So i've spent all this time try to get him ahead and he throws it away. Then he mentions its a difficult matchup when his strategy involved going all-in in an match up he has little understanding off and is already behind.
So frustrating...
Why I don't play with some friends of mine who arn't very good, not alot of ways to get them to change their gameplay without telling them they are sucking.
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My worst freinds always want to play AD-carry. They such at positioning and gamesense, so, best role for them apparently. Then i pick Sona for them to just win the lane without them having to do much. I bring both of the opponents to half health. Then they all-in me, i die. "Sry man, dunno what i could have done better there." Weeeeeellll, what about doing anything before they decided they could all-in me because you are afk last-hitting. maybe you should harass a little as well with that Ez of yours. You bought pulsefire, now try using the shiny skills. aaaaargh.
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Trash.
First the Alistar mid that doesn't ward nor roam while Katarina does. He fails at destroying her in lane (match-up shouldn't even be close), dies to ganks because he doesn't ward, then takes her tower and keeps on pushing, dying under their inner mid turret.
The rest of his retard French kids premade (with such nicks I assume they were kids, or they try to show themselves as idiots) isn't better and the game crumbles from everywhere.
Then while we have Kayle top, Swain mid and Zyra support, 5th pick who was crying to have top because "I only have top champions" and "this is a smurf" locks jungle-able Riven, while 4th pick says my Swain's AD and locks Renekton. Swain+Renekton mid, Kayle top, Riven+Zyra bot. Didn't help that Riven and Renekton spent the game complaining and spouting bullshit about how they think the game shouldn't be played ("hey he has points in the utility tree, it's playing Swain support").
Third game starts kinda well, with our Graves fed, LB dominating Akali and Vi losing to me after Kha'Zix ganked to correct Rammus' level 2 and 4 ganks on my ass. Then people start thinking it's fun to go alone in the enemy jungle, try to duel Akali, and other funny stuff. Noone groups even when there are calls for drake, and it culminates when I see Kha'Zix go to drake, assume he'll solo it, farm a wave then look at the minimap again as red dots appear and see Kha'Zix at the enemy red trying to 1v5. Fucking moron jumped and tried to hunt them without any vision in their own jungle. Enemy team proceeds to get a free Nashor (and as much as I hate casters for misusing the word, that one was truly free) and retards Graves and LB go to it 20 seconds after they started, hoping for a blind steal. Surprise, they don't run fast enough for Akali and both die to the enemy team who gets 1 tower out of it (I'm surprised they didn't take the inhib actuellement).
The game continues with those fucking retards all getting caught at least once in the middle of the lane with no wards nor objective to protect (not even a tower nearby) and sitting on their asses all surprised when the enemy team rushes them and kills them.
Then the server disconnects for a maintenance.
I just wanted a fucking daily victory bonus. Is that too much to ask to those fucking clusters of retards?
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Hi all.
I am pretty sure if i will make a thread about my opinion on ranked games it will get locked so i will put it here to see how it goes.
I started playing ranked like 1 week ago (solo queue) and i have to say that it's a waste of time. In some cases you can avoid trollers about picking first and stuff like that, but all the time there are players who like to blame each other in every team.
I started like 5 wins in a row ( 14 loss streak atm ) and now i am 7:14 (current 984 elo) trying to play ADC or tank (i like both roles) and its impossible to win a game, maybe because i am stuck in something called "elo hell"?
This rating or the solo queue cant be used to define a player if is good or not, because this is a team game where you play with 4 other people who you dont know if he is good or not.
I guess i should play just normal because is not worth to keep loosing in my current rating?
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On January 10 2013 12:33 Maggost wrote:
Hi all.
I am pretty sure if i will make a thread about my opinion on ranked games it will get locked so i will put it here to see how it goes.
I started playing ranked like 1 week ago (solo queue) and i have to say that it's a waste of time. In some cases you can avoid trollers about picking first and stuff like that, but all the time there are players who like to blame each other in every team.
I started like 5 wins in a row ( 14 loss streak atm ) and now i am 7:14 (current 984 elo) trying to play ADC or tank (i like both roles) and its impossible to win a game, maybe because i am stuck in something called "elo hell"?
This rating or the solo queue cant be used to define a player if is good or not, because this is a team game where you play with 4 other people who you dont know if he is good or not.
I guess i should play just normal because is not worth to keep loosing in my current rating?
No such thing as "elo hell" play better and carry yourself out of 1k elo. I could hard random every game and win 90% at that elo with ease.
For my own QQ. 4/20 bottom lane. How....?
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On January 10 2013 12:33 Maggost wrote:
Hi all.
I am pretty sure if i will make a thread about my opinion on ranked games it will get locked so i will put it here to see how it goes.
I started playing ranked like 1 week ago (solo queue) and i have to say that it's a waste of time. In some cases you can avoid trollers about picking first and stuff like that, but all the time there are players who like to blame each other in every team.
I started like 5 wins in a row ( 14 loss streak atm ) and now i am 7:14 (current 984 elo) trying to play ADC or tank (i like both roles) and its impossible to win a game, maybe because i am stuck in something called "elo hell"?
This rating or the solo queue cant be used to define a player if is good or not, because this is a team game where you play with 4 other people who you dont know if he is good or not.
I guess i should play just normal because is not worth to keep loosing in my current rating?
why do you think the wins are indicative of your skill? and why do you think the losses are indicative of the lack of others' skill?
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fuck league
gonna go on steam, come back in 2 weeks, then remind myself why i hate league
+ Show Spoiler +riot better ban afk racists
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On January 10 2013 10:13 Alaric wrote:
Trash.
First the Alistar mid that doesn't ward nor roam while Katarina does. He fails at destroying her in lane (match-up shouldn't even be close), dies to ganks because he doesn't ward, then takes her tower and keeps on pushing, dying under their inner mid turret.
The rest of his retard French kids premade (with such nicks I assume they were kids, or they try to show themselves as idiots) isn't better and the game crumbles from everywhere.
Then while we have Kayle top, Swain mid and Zyra support, 5th pick who was crying to have top because "I only have top champions" and "this is a smurf" locks jungle-able Riven, while 4th pick says my Swain's AD and locks Renekton. Swain+Renekton mid, Kayle top, Riven+Zyra bot. Didn't help that Riven and Renekton spent the game complaining and spouting bullshit about how they think the game shouldn't be played ("hey he has points in the utility tree, it's playing Swain support").
Third game starts kinda well, with our Graves fed, LB dominating Akali and Vi losing to me after Kha'Zix ganked to correct Rammus' level 2 and 4 ganks on my ass. Then people start thinking it's fun to go alone in the enemy jungle, try to duel Akali, and other funny stuff. Noone groups even when there are calls for drake, and it culminates when I see Kha'Zix go to drake, assume he'll solo it, farm a wave then look at the minimap again as red dots appear and see Kha'Zix at the enemy red trying to 1v5. Fucking moron jumped and tried to hunt them without any vision in their own jungle. Enemy team proceeds to get a free Nashor (and as much as I hate casters for misusing the word, that one was truly free) and retards Graves and LB go to it 20 seconds after they started, hoping for a blind steal. Surprise, they don't run fast enough for Akali and both die to the enemy team who gets 1 tower out of it (I'm surprised they didn't take the inhib actuellement).
The game continues with those fucking retards all getting caught at least once in the middle of the lane with no wards nor objective to protect (not even a tower nearby) and sitting on their asses all surprised when the enemy team rushes them and kills them.
Then the server disconnects for a maintenance.
I just wanted a fucking daily victory bonus. Is that too much to ask to those fucking clusters of retards?
Why does it feel like you never win ever at this game?
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so many trash streamers, rumblemidgg another trash player who trolls his team because he was mad about the game before.
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On January 10 2013 15:57 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why does it feel like you never win ever at this game?
Because I'm not good enough to go brag in the Loci thread when I do. 
I tend to play in series too rather than throughout the day so I'll complain more easily if I get a serie of bad game (instead of stopping). Also there's a good chunk of games where thinking back about them a few hours later or the following day I think to myself "they probably just had a bad day/game, you're really being rough on them". It's still far from the majority tho.
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On January 10 2013 14:02 Amui wrote:No such thing as "elo hell" play better and carry yourself out of 1k elo. I could hard random every game and win 90% at that elo with ease.
But the thing is, how? how can i go out?
This is not Starcraft 2 where in 1v1 you can improve if you try hard, this is a team game with random people.
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by making an impact
remember that the only constant factor in every game you lose is you
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Been playing with a few friends the last few days just normals since there's usually 2-3 of us and every game I'm that guy that elects to let the rent-a-buddies and my friends take their pick of what they want and full in. So as a result been playing a bunch of support but whatevs I like support and generally get compliments from random adcs. Finally today get a game with premade bot of taric/blitz and they feed of course but I played shit mid cait vs a zyra and this was after failing hard as karthus vs kennen the game before. I fucking hate playing like shit mid/top after I've been in a completely different mindset playing support. God I suck at this game and go full retard way too often -.-
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What the fuck is with the teams I'm getting. Every game feels fucking impossible, dropped from high 1600's to 1550. People say win lane lose game, but for real, their Shaco just sits in lane bush for a couple minutes. And my other lanes STILL manage to fucking lose, even without any pressure from Shaco for the first 5 min because all he's doing is sitting in my lane bush, occasionally walking out to decieve+shiv me.
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On January 10 2013 16:39 Maggost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 14:02 Amui wrote:No such thing as "elo hell" play better and carry yourself out of 1k elo. I could hard random every game and win 90% at that elo with ease. But the thing is, how? how can i go out? This is not Starcraft 2 where in 1v1 you can improve if you try hard, this is a team game with random people.
Last time I climbed I went from trucking people 1v1 in lane and losing as teammates got trucked, to trucking faster/harder then roaming to truck other lanes harder than mine was free farming back into the back during that time. Also objectives (early towers, drakes) to shove global gold down the throat of your underfed allies if they can't farm (killing all tier 1 towers helps a lot to keep on pushing and putting pressure on the enemy team).
Roaming to make your advantage felt elsewhere on the map while still keeping a good cs to stay relevant is a big part of actually carrying.
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On January 11 2013 00:32 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 16:39 Maggost wrote:On January 10 2013 14:02 Amui wrote:No such thing as "elo hell" play better and carry yourself out of 1k elo. I could hard random every game and win 90% at that elo with ease. But the thing is, how? how can i go out? This is not Starcraft 2 where in 1v1 you can improve if you try hard, this is a team game with random people. Last time I climbed I went from trucking people 1v1 in lane and losing as teammates got trucked, to trucking faster/harder then roaming to truck other lanes harder than mine was free farming back into the back during that time. Also objectives (early towers, drakes) to shove global gold down the throat of your underfed allies if they can't farm (killing all tier 1 towers helps a lot to keep on pushing and putting pressure on the enemy team). Roaming to make your advantage felt elsewhere on the map while still keeping a good cs to stay relevant is a big part of actually carrying.
It's simple statistics. Of course you can't win every game. The 4 people on your team might be just so much worse then the enemy. However, if you are consistently better then all the other players on the team, you should win more then you lose, because the bad players can as well be on the enemy team.
But this is not a case where if you are a bit better then everybody else, you will win 90% of the time. If you are a bit better, you might win 55% of the games, or 60%. If you are WAY better then everyone else in the game, you can win pretty much every game, as pros levelling new accounts have shown many times. But even if you are only a bit better, with a 55% winrate you will still slowly climb in elo if you play enough games. 20 games are just a far too small sample size.
And the other point is that you need to realize that you can not, and should not, try to improve everyones play. What you need to concentrate on are your actions. Do stuff that makes you win, don't do stuff that makes you lose. The more stuff that makes you win you do, the more likely you are to win. This does not mean ignore your teammates, just don't concentrate on finding someone to blame if you lose, rather concentrate on what you could have done to win despite having bad teammates.
Also, don't go in overestimating your abilities. This forum is very good in making everyone believe that they should actually be 2000+ elo. A lot of people are not. Also, top elo is not true elo. Just because you hit a good spike once and got to 1800 does not mean you are necessarily an 1800 player, just as hitting a bad spike and dropping to 1000 does not mean you are necessarily a 1000 player. So try to realistically assess your abilities and try to improve them instead of concentrating on blaming your teammates because they drive you away from the elo you think you deserve. The only one responsible for the rating you reach is you, IF you play enough games to minimize the effect of random luck, since the teammates are part of that random luck, not part of your performance.
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I had someone pick support Lux against Vayne/Nunu and proceed to miss every single q against Vayne for 20 minutes, then steal my kills while my ult was about to hit them. Completely denies any of this occurred. The best part was where she built banner of command, ice shard, and other marginal support items with all of that cash. Sigh.
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