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I guess I'll make a budget thread for this group.
If I was Zoun in that first game, I would've left as soon as the Stargate got depowered haha!
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On June 12 2025 18:53 MJG wrote:
I guess I'll make a budget thread for this group.
If I was Zoun in that first game, I would've left as soon as the Stargate got depowered haha!
tyty
wtf is this match lol
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I think herO has been watching Rotti streaming with this third base location haha.
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Big win for Zoun. Needs to make it stick in the winner's match!
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Zoun is so good I'm a fan now
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On June 12 2025 19:14 dedede wrote:
Zoun is so good I'm a fan now
He can be a little hot-or-cold and that's kinda frustrating, but when he's on his game he's a top-level Protoss.
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So bunny knew forver that there was no 3rd and still just sent it? he had a reaper to see that the third was at least super super late.
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The safer two-base Storm timing in this game is the exact kind of adjustment that was going to happen as soon as Terrans started pulling SCVs too frequently.
If Bunny had gone into a macro game it could've been fairly even going into the mid-game, but he ran his workers into the Thunderdome instead.
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The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade.
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On June 12 2025 19:37 MJG wrote:
The safer two-base Storm timing in this game is the exact kind of adjustment that was going to happen as soon as Terrans started pulling SCVs too frequently.
If Bunny had gone into a macro game it could've been fairly even going into the mid-game, but he ran his workers into the Thunderdome instead.
His reaper even saw the 3rd bein really really late so i dont get it.
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On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade.
It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game.
The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech.
This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision.
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the PvPs today have been wild lol
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On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision.
To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level.
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On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level.
Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that.
Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base.
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herO on his last life.
It would be a massive upset if both herO and Maru failed to make the playoffs!
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herO did really well to come back from how much of a disaster his Blink aggression was.
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Zoun vs. The Rematch Curse.
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Hoping for ideally Gumiho and Rogue to win to ensure a high-stakes final for the EWC spot!
2nd preference would be for both to lose and then a high-stakes bo5 for that spot.
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On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base.
Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade.
Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC.
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The PvP games today have been great. A lot more entertaining than I was expecting.
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On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC.
I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
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On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
This was basically what I was thinking. That Storm is great defensively, but that it's a real pain to use offensively.
Bunny made it far too easy by going for an SCV pull that was doomed to fail.
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Too bad for Zoun. Looked like he was ready for a breakout performance.
With Cure and Maru randomly dropping does herO have somewhat of a straight shot to repeat? Even though the two tourneys were a month apart? Heh.
I would love to see Classic win...
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On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss.
I think Classic position in that case would have been delaying the 3rd from landing as long as he could while he probe up the economy and taking a 4th base. He doesnt need to attack into a 2 base Terran, just holding it.
But I do agree all-in into a 2 base Storm Protoss is even worse, definitely turtling on 2 base would be the better solution for Bunny at that point. May be he can slow seige the Protoss 3rd Nexus without the SCVs as well, but that might still be risky.
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On June 12 2025 22:49 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2025 22:02 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 21:31 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 20:35 darklycid wrote:On June 12 2025 20:11 tigera6 wrote:On June 12 2025 19:57 MJG wrote:On June 12 2025 19:42 tigera6 wrote:
The thing is most Terran dont see macro PvT is playable, outside of Clem and maybe Maru. Bunny 3rd CC would still have been behind Classic anyway and he cant move out until he got better tech and upgrade. It's perfectly playable if you can get to a Viking/Ghost or Liberator/Ghost late game. The problem has been that Protoss is able to cut too many corners in the early game, so they've had too much of a lead going into the mid game, and so Terrans have been getting run over before they can get their late game tech. This won't happen if Protoss is too scared to cut corners and Bunny had already confirmed that Classic wasn't cutting corners, so doing an attack that only works if Protoss cuts corners was a silly strategic decision. To play that lategame style you need at least a 4th base then trying to hold a 5th, but most Terran hasnt been able to hold their 4th against midgame Protoss army from what I have seen at top level. Yea because protosses got a quicker third to snowball but if the protoss aint taking a 3rd until like 6-7minutes in he cannot snowball like that. Edit: in g3 the canceled 3rd cc by bunny was still earlier than classics actual 3rd base. Classic was still ahead on worker, has Storm - Charge - Blink and a Robo. Meanwhile Bunny has no Combat Shield, no EBay, only 3 Barracks, 1 Reactor. Even if Bunny could build a faster 3rd CC, he cant land that 3rd base while Classic can make more probes, take a 4th and get quicker upgrade. Bunny already cutting corner for his timing push as well, so its not as straight forward as he can get back to a macro game with a quicker 3rd CC. I disagree mules can make Up for the workers and Storm into a Defensive terran is weaker than using it to defend. And however hard it would have been the answer is Not scv pulling a 2 Base Storm protoss. I think Classic position in that case would have been delaying the 3rd from landing as long as he could while he probe up the economy and taking a 4th base. He doesnt need to attack into a 2 base Terran, just holding it. But I do agree all-in into a 2 base Storm Protoss is even worse, definitely turtling on 2 base would be the better solution for Bunny at that point. May be he can slow seige the Protoss 3rd Nexus without the SCVs as well, but that might still be risky.
Idk i dont see classic denying the 3rd that easily (also what 4th he needed to get his 3rd up first).
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Global StarCraft II League/2025/Season 2
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