EPTBellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 - Page 6
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tigera6
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darklycid
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On June 07 2025 21:56 tigera6 wrote: Showtime wait until Serral got +2 air and 30 Muta before dropping down the 2nd Stargate and research Phoenix range is NOT how you counter Zerg tech. The moment Zoun saw Serral Spire, he immediately put the 2nd Stargate and Fleet Beacon down to get ready for it. Yea and thern the zerg doesnt buil mutas  It's a very fine line of investing into anti muta but not overinvest esp because you never know how hard the zerg commits. | ||
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tigera6
3481 Posts
On June 07 2025 21:59 darklycid wrote: Yea and thern the zerg doesnt buil mutas It's a very fine line of investing into anti muta but not overinvest esp because you never know how hard the zerg commits. Thats the whole point, you want to be ready but not over-commit, dont build many Phoenix but get the Tech ready, then scout some more. Zerg saw the double Stargate and he would think twice about building mass Muta or they will get hard countered. And if hes not building mass muta, the SG can be used later for Tempest, its a good counter move. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26496 Posts
On June 07 2025 21:55 darklycid wrote: I wonder if it would be better in this meta to open up charge to force roaches. I feel Manlots in PvZ are, and have generally always only been good for direct attacks or runbys Stalkers with oracles you get map control and the ability to poke a bit with retreat potential as you grow, that feels a more versatile, natural combo | ||
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darklycid
3540 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:02 tigera6 wrote: Thats the whole point, you want to be ready but not over-commit, dont build many Phoenix but get the Tech ready, then scout some more. Zerg saw the double Stargate and he would think twice about building mass Muta or they will get hard countered. And if hes not building mass muta, the SG can be used later for Tempest, its a good counter move. Yea but you invest into another sg and fleet beacon which might hurt hard if the zerg instead does a brutal ground attack. | ||
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darklycid
3540 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:02 WombaT wrote: I feel Manlots in PvZ are, and have generally always only been good for direct attacks or runbys Stalkers with oracles you get map control and the ability to poke a bit with retreat potential as you grow, that feels a more versatile, natural combo Yes but stalkers allow the zerg to skip roaches (if he is good) at least the normal poke variants which leads to them getting their desired tech much quicker which seems to be what is turning out to be hard (faster lurker timings) and it would shut down this spire build instantly. | ||
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tigera6
3481 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:10 darklycid wrote: Yea but you invest into another sg and fleet beacon which might hurt hard if the zerg instead does a brutal ground attack. Zerg cant have a "brutal ground" attack if they commit to a Lair and a Spire, again its coming down to the scouting and map vision. | ||
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darklycid
3540 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:18 tigera6 wrote: Zerg cant have a "brutal ground" attack if they commit to a Lair and a Spire, again its coming down to the scouting and map vision. THe lair aint a commitment (thewy get it anyways) the spire is somewhat but often enough you see low or no mutas into a very hard ground attack which often neough kills the protoss if the overdefended the mutas. | ||
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Blitzball04
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I was hoping we could get lambo vs showtime, and lambo getting that spot. | ||
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tigera6
3481 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:22 darklycid wrote: THe lair aint a commitment (thewy get it anyways) the spire is somewhat but often enough you see low or no mutas into a very hard ground attack which often neough kills the protoss if the overdefended the mutas. I dont think building a 2nd SG is an over-commitment as long as you dont mass Phoenix before seeing more Muta showing up, thats just my view. | ||
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darklycid
3540 Posts
On June 07 2025 22:27 tigera6 wrote: I dont think building a 2nd SG is an over-commitment as long as you dont mass Phoenix before seeing more Muta showing up, thats just my view. That could be, a 2nd sg might not be, a fleet beacon as well i think might be too much tho. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
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darklycid
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
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tigera6
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Antithesis
Germany1236 Posts
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darklycid
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26496 Posts
On June 08 2025 00:55 Antithesis wrote: Good. Order has been restored. Serral winning vs. protosses and we getting a Serral vs. Clem finals. Phew, Serral losing ZvPs too regularly is surely a harbinger of the apocalypse, so the Earth is safe for now | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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