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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
August 14 2024 19:42 GMT
#81
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
August 14 2024 19:46 GMT
#82
Protoss doing well so far all things considered.
very illegal and very uncool
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-14 20:18:43
August 14 2024 20:18 GMT
#83
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.


So ludicrous to me lol - so they are playing for the first time on Saturday? Just kind of so strange that there's this brutal bracket for three days and Shin/Showtime just kind of show up at the end to play multiple bo3s.

Not gonna lie - I find it entertaining though.
Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States978 Posts
August 14 2024 20:52 GMT
#84
On August 15 2024 05:18 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.


So ludicrous to me lol - so they are playing for the first time on Saturday? Just kind of so strange that there's this brutal bracket for three days and Shin/Showtime just kind of show up at the end to play multiple bo3s.

Not gonna lie - I find it entertaining though.


The bracket/structure actually does the two most important things incredibly well, gives us more games and ensures that the top4 should be the most deserving and accurate.

Only real coinflip is the knockout/last chance portion. How and who Showtime, Shin, and the 2nd "2nd" player will be inserted against will be interesting. But at the end of the day whoever makes it through will have earned it.


It's been a long time since I've been genuinely interested and pumped for sc2 but I can't wait for the top of group B to play out tomorrow.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
August 14 2024 23:04 GMT
#85
On August 15 2024 05:18 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.


So ludicrous to me lol - so they are playing for the first time on Saturday? Just kind of so strange that there's this brutal bracket for three days and Shin/Showtime just kind of show up at the end to play multiple bo3s.

Not gonna lie - I find it entertaining though.



I love this format for a big tournament such as this one

It ensures that the top 4 are indeed currently the strongest and playing in form

As for showtime and shin, I’m pretty sure they are just glad to be there to collect the 15k. Doubt anyone has high hopes for them to make a deep run.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-14 23:07:22
August 14 2024 23:06 GMT
#86
My main issue with the format is how irrelevant placement is in the first two groups beyond top 2. Like sure, you'll get slightly better seeding into the knockout bracket, but after an easier first match for the people who place 3rd, bombing out immediately vs making it to losers final will make little difference. Feels like a lot of bo5's just for an easier first round opponent.

Also imo Showtime/Shin should be on an even footing with everyone else, even if a format with 18 players in the same round could be awkward. With the format I doubt Shin will go far, but I think he'd have an outside chance of top 4 if he started on the same playing ground (Maru is basically the only player there's no way he beats, though Serral has made him look silly since Kato 23 too.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25344 Posts
August 14 2024 23:43 GMT
#87
Cheers for the solid LR work everyone, nice that I can follow the action, much obliged!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-15 01:26:19
August 15 2024 01:10 GMT
#88
Holy christ the production level of this is insane. Congrats to all the talent that got to be there and thanks for everything ya'll do

EDIT: love Astrea pulling off the Julian Casablanca's early 2000's look
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
August 15 2024 03:46 GMT
#89
Looks like tomorrow is gonna be 2 streams instead of 1

Twitch Stream A | Twitch Stream B
Youtube Stream A | Youtube Stream B

Youtube VODs
"Expert" mods4ever.com
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
August 15 2024 04:26 GMT
#90
Group A upper bracket could be either exciting or a flop, group B upper would be the pinnacle of SC2 for tomorrow/today.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
August 15 2024 05:11 GMT
#91
Not sure if it's just me or not, but so far the games don't feel a tier above the usual intensity of premiere tournaments the way that Gamers8 was last year. (Where players were doing every little thing that they usually don't do, for example doing some extra micro/harass to try to kill 1 more worker, etc.)

Maybe it's just cus it was only Day 1, or cus a lot of the matches so far are lopsided (due to seeding, nothing wrong with it ofc), or maybe it's because of the format where the games for now don't "fully matter" since if you lose you can still make it in via Knockout Bracket?

Whereas last year it was that semi-Swiss thing, where it felt like every match win was very important because each win put you against the other higher players and you need to keep winning to be moved to the top.

Just some thoughts so far! Will see how the next few days are!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
August 15 2024 05:29 GMT
#92
I would say Bo3 create better suspension in the first stage than Bo5, it allows for more upset and unique strategy, its hard surprise your opponent 3 times in 5 games, so everybody would stick to their most stable gameplay.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
August 15 2024 06:58 GMT
#93
On August 15 2024 08:06 dysenterymd wrote:
My main issue with the format is how irrelevant placement is in the first two groups beyond top 2. Like sure, you'll get slightly better seeding into the knockout bracket, but after an easier first match for the people who place 3rd, bombing out immediately vs making it to losers final will make little difference. Feels like a lot of bo5's just for an easier first round opponent.

Also imo Showtime/Shin should be on an even footing with everyone else, even if a format with 18 players in the same round could be awkward. With the format I doubt Shin will go far, but I think he'd have an outside chance of top 4 if he started on the same playing ground (Maru is basically the only player there's no way he beats, though Serral has made him look silly since Kato 23 too.)


On the other hand I think the KO bracket becomes doable for everyone and should deliver awesome matches since the best 3 players of the world right now are already through.
With a high Chance of Serral, Maru and (Dark/ Reynor/ Clem) out of the picture, the KO is wide open
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden729 Posts
August 15 2024 07:44 GMT
#94
Cant wait for todays games, epecially Group Bs matchups. But every game will be a banger for sure, and with 2 streams the downtime should be minimum aswell
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-15 08:04:10
August 15 2024 08:03 GMT
#95
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.

Take that giant trip just to play one bo3 and get 15k $$$.. bizarre format. Should have just made two groups of 9 players, 4 advance from each (either bo3 or bo2 with 3/1/0 point system like in DotA 2) and then bo5/7/9 double elim bracket for last 8.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
August 15 2024 08:50 GMT
#96
On August 15 2024 17:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.

Take that giant trip just to play one bo3 and get 15k $$$.. bizarre format. Should have just made two groups of 9 players, 4 advance from each (either bo3 or bo2 with 3/1/0 point system like in DotA 2) and then bo5/7/9 double elim bracket for last 8.


Or Swiss / Pseudo Swiss.
I do like that in CS2 and think it could be cool in SC2
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1058 Posts
August 15 2024 09:16 GMT
#97
On August 15 2024 17:50 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2024 17:03 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:42 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:39 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:25 Argonauta wrote:
On August 15 2024 04:16 VladSlymor wrote:
So...I'm just now realizing that players having won 2 or even 3 games in the group stages will still be pitted against players having lost everything - without any advantage in the knockout stage.

How does this bracket structure even make sense?



You just need to check the 2nd vs 2nd bo5 to the final four weird match to realize.

Is there some kind of seeding? Where players who won 2/3 matches get seeded vs a player who won 0 (including showtime and ragnarok)? Or is the knockout bracket randomized?


I have no idea, but according to liquipedia, the only seeded match is the loser of the 2nd vs 2nd bo5

Also, Shin and Showtime will be joining the tournament in the knockout bracket. What a weird setup.

Take that giant trip just to play one bo3 and get 15k $$$.. bizarre format. Should have just made two groups of 9 players, 4 advance from each (either bo3 or bo2 with 3/1/0 point system like in DotA 2) and then bo5/7/9 double elim bracket for last 8.

Or Swiss / Pseudo Swiss.
I do like that in CS2 and think it could be cool in SC2

The best thing about "pseudo Swiss" tournaments is seeing people figure out how to implement them on Liquipedia...

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
August 15 2024 10:25 GMT
#98
What a game 1
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
August 15 2024 10:26 GMT
#99
Heromarine would've called that a "game-deciding fight"
Have a nice day!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3511 Posts
August 15 2024 10:26 GMT
#100
Maru TvT still insane.
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