EPTAlthough even in a BO7, I don't know if we get even one of those types of games.
[WTL 2023] Winter - Week 5 - Page 2
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Waxangel
United States33403 Posts
Although even in a BO7, I don't know if we get even one of those types of games. | ||
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tigera6
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On October 30 2023 00:10 tigera6 wrote: That map isnt very good for Terran so ZvZ is a better choice, but damn Solar just got picked apart in lategame. Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1188 Posts
On October 30 2023 00:28 Poopi wrote: Turns out that Solar ain’t’ a ZvZ god, Serral is just a ZvZ chobo Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes. Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another. This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On October 30 2023 04:33 Antithesis wrote: Serral is literally the highest ranked ZvZ player on Earth. People are overrating the significance of small sample sizes. Solar is second, roughly 100 ELO behind Serral, and Dark is third, roughly 100 ELO behind Solar. Considering the volatility of ZvZ, there is no surprise whatsoever in anyone of the three beating anyone else on one occasion or another. This being so, it's understandable that Onsyde would send Solar rather than Maru. One of the many problems with aligulac is that it gives points to all matchups for any win. A series win in ZvP boosts all 3 of Serral's (or any players) matchup ratings. Serral's insane ZvP and ZvT winrates guarantee he'll be number 1 in ZvZ even if he does lackluster in the matchup as he has for most of this year. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
I cheered for Onsyde and I saw relatively early on that Dark was (as usual) controlling his spellcasters very well. Maybe Solar has a really good grasp of ZvZ timings on most maps but since this map felt like a no rush 10mn type of map, he was forced into late game ZvZ where Dark can shine? No clean sheet for Onsyde, it’s gonna be a difficult season with TL being strong as well | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1188 Posts
On October 30 2023 06:32 JJH777 wrote: One of the many problems with aligulac is that it gives points to all matchups for any win. A series win in ZvP boosts all 3 of Serral's (or any players) matchup ratings. Serral's insane ZvP and ZvT winrates guarantee he'll be number 1 in ZvZ even if he does lackluster in the matchup as he has for most of this year. Interesting. This is the first time I hear about this. How does this work, exactly? I just checked the Aligulac FAQ but could not find any details on it. There is a special case where "If a player only plays games against one race during a period, only the overall rating will change". But this cannot apply to Serral nor to any other active player, as they play many matches of all matchups during each period. In contrast, the general rule, according to the Aligulac FAQ, is that "The overall rating is always the mean of the matchup ratings." To me this seems to mean that the overall rating is a function of the matchup ratings, not the other way around. I agree that if the matchup ratings were a function of the overall rating, that would be a problem with Aligulac. In fact, it would undermine the sole purpose of the matchup ratings. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On October 30 2023 08:00 Antithesis wrote: Interesting. This is the first time I hear about this. How does this work, exactly? I just checked the Aligulac FAQ but could not find any details on it. There is a special case where "If a player only plays games against one race during a period, only the overall rating will change". But this cannot apply to Serral nor to any other active player, as they play many matches of all matchups during each period. In contrast, the general rule, according to the Aligulac FAQ, is that "The overall rating is always the mean of the matchup ratings." To me this seems to mean that the overall rating is a function of the matchup ratings, not the other way around. I agree that if the matchup ratings were a function of the overall rating, that would be a problem with Aligulac. In fact, it would undermine the sole purpose of the matchup ratings. I can't tell you how it works but it's easy to verify. Aligulac ratings update around 5pm PST each day. Check the top players match history and look for someone who's only played 1 or 2 of the 3 possible race matchups during that 24 hour period. Their rating in the third matchup will still change pretty much without fail. It will be a much smaller change than the ratings in the matchups they did play but it's still impacted. | ||
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tigera6
3398 Posts
On October 30 2023 07:49 Poopi wrote: It was kind of a joke anyways. I cheered for Onsyde and I saw relatively early on that Dark was (as usual) controlling his spellcasters very well. Maybe Solar has a really good grasp of ZvZ timings on most maps but since this map felt like a no rush 10mn type of map, he was forced into late game ZvZ where Dark can shine? No clean sheet for Onsyde, it’s gonna be a difficult season with TL being strong as well Last season Onsyde also lost in Ace match to DKZ as well, so I am not so worried as long as they can still beat Shopify and TL, the matchup in generally favored Onsyde there. Plus, we have Basilisk also struggle a bit more now compare to last season, Serral already dropped 3 maps this season while he only drop one map for the entire last season. As for Solar, I always feel like multi-prong defense has been his issue, hes much better at a frontal fight than splitting the army left and right to deal with attack at different location. Meanwhile, Dark is the master at this, how he like to attack multiple locations at the same time like a Terran. | ||
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