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Group A looks like the group of death
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this came out of nowhere! Group A is group of Death indeed!
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Excited for this and that's a very nice prize pool. Kind of top heavy but that is extra motivation for the top players. Curious what Maru can bring against Serral with 4 days to prep and nothing else going on right now.
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Does anyone know why oliveira forfeited his spot?
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because oliveira realise hes not in a best shape atm , after world champion his shape struggle alot , down 10-15 positions maybe , so thats why he wants to rest maybe
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Is this online? Can anyone at least write a short intro for the Liquipedia page?
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On August 20 2023 14:28 Garnet wrote:
Is this online? Can anyone at least write a short intro for the Liquipedia page?
? Liquipedia page has all the info, including the fact its online
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I've got my alarm set, see you guys in about 7 hours
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France12946 Posts
Lol Serral vs Maru right away? This could be the finals and instead it's the first match of the first group :D.
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United States33637 Posts
If it's lagging, you can watch on Douyu (which is plenty fast in the USA at least) if you don't mind CN commentary https://www.douyu.com/3484
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France12946 Posts
Yup, it's lagging on twitch but runs fast on douyu. Gogo Maru
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ghost turtling on a lagging stream, the ultimate snooze fest
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Serral vs maru is a really boring Match. Maaru vs every other top zerg is exciting atleast
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Wow, I didn't know this tournament was on - great event with great players and a good prize pool
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On August 22 2023 20:58 BelethielQT wrote:
Serral vs maru is a really boring Match. Maaru vs every other top zerg is exciting atleast
Thats what you get between the 2 most defensive players in the game. Other than cheese, I expect the same thing to happen every time they meet.
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That counterattack from maxpax was nice
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Maru will likely be eliminated if he lose to Gumiho.
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France12946 Posts
What happens if Maru wins both his matches tomorrow, ShoWTimE only loses to Serral+Maru, while MaxPax only loses to ShoWTimE and Serral?
Two spots and ShoWTimE/Maru/MaxPax tied at 3w-2l in matches. I don't find the tie-breaker info on liquipedia? I guess it will go down to map differential, but if somehow they are also tied there, since MaxPax > Maru, Maru > ShoWTimE and ShoWTimE > MaxPax, we might have a three-way tie right?
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Yeah, most likely overall mapscore then head-to-head mapscore among the 3 players.
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On August 23 2023 00:11 Poopi wrote:
What happens if Maru wins both his matches tomorrow, ShoWTimE only loses to Serral+Maru, while MaxPax only loses to ShoWTimE and Serral?
Two spots and ShoWTimE/Maru/MaxPax tied at 3w-2l in matches. I don't find the tie-breaker info on liquipedia? I guess it will go down to map differential, but if somehow they are also tied there, since MaxPax > Maru, Maru > ShoWTimE and ShoWTimE > MaxPax, we might have a three-way tie right?
Hope it's coin toss straight away
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Even though Maru lost against Serral, he's still a better player. Anyone know what am anomaly is? Cope harder.
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Maru's been pretty disappointing lately. Can't believe he's now lost to Maxpax 4 times in a row especially considering the overall state of TvP being T favored. At least he beat Gumiho.
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On August 23 2023 04:32 JJH777 wrote:
Maru's been pretty disappointing lately. Can't believe he's now lost to Maxpax 4 times in a row especially considering the overall state of TvP being T favored. At least he beat Gumiho.
I mean until he loses to MaxPax offline ( ) it’s not super worrying. Him not able to beat Serral is worse imo, albeit every terran are losing to the top zerg nowadays
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On August 23 2023 04:34 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2023 04:32 JJH777 wrote:
Maru's been pretty disappointing lately. Can't believe he's now lost to Maxpax 4 times in a row especially considering the overall state of TvP being T favored. At least he beat Gumiho. I mean until he loses to MaxPax offline ( ) it’s not super worrying. Him not able to beat Serral is worse imo, albeit every terran are losing to the top zerg nowadays
I think losing to Maxpax is worse just because TvP is pretty Terran favored. ZvT I think is Zerg favored at the top level so I can forgive him more though it's still disappointing. if he can't beat Maxpax on this patch then I don't see how he'll ever beat him on a balanced one.
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Just watched most of Maru vs Serral game 1 and I don't understand what happened in the game deciding engagement. Why did Maru move his ghosts so close to the Broodlords? They looked like they were way closer than snipe range. Was that a mistake or intentional? Almost all of the ghosts got hit by a single fungal. If I didn't already know he lost I would have thought he was winning up until that engagement. That looked like a massive throw.
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On August 23 2023 04:46 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2023 04:34 Poopi wrote:On August 23 2023 04:32 JJH777 wrote:
Maru's been pretty disappointing lately. Can't believe he's now lost to Maxpax 4 times in a row especially considering the overall state of TvP being T favored. At least he beat Gumiho. I mean until he loses to MaxPax offline ( ) it’s not super worrying. Him not able to beat Serral is worse imo, albeit every terran are losing to the top zerg nowadays I think losing to Maxpax is worse just because TvP is pretty Terran favored. ZvT I think is Zerg favored at the top level so I can forgive him more though it's still disappointing. if he can't beat Maxpax on this patch then I don't see how he'll ever beat him on a balanced one.
MaxPax style works very well against Maru TvP, who always try to finish the game with a timing push. In both games he lost to MaxPax, he does that and got behind on a weaker economy due Zealot runby. Hes also making mistake in both games, game 2 he did a weirdly 2-3 Medivac drop into the main, leaving the tanks completely exposed. Game 3 he just taking too many balls into the face. Even in the game 1 that he won, his defense against the Blink Stalker was pretty bad, losing tanks left and right, just feel like his micro aint good at the moment.
Against Serral, the fight he took was bad because of the base location, Maru sent all of his Ghost into a corner and they got stuck. He also took the fight while being down 40 army supply while still having the bank to max out, and never use Nuke to zone out the BLord army. Despite all that it was a very close game, but I am more disappointed about game 2 lost, Maru literally saw the Roach when trying to cancel the 3rd base, but made no Banshee, still does the Widow Mines drop and delay tanks production, also no Bunker in the natural, like what you think gonna happen against that?
Overall, I expect another Ro8/12 exit from Maru with this type of performance IF he make it past the Group Stage.
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I just remembered this tournament is running until Sept 10th lol, RIP my sleep schedule
see you guys in about 7 hours!
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i feel like Serral has finished sc2 multiplayer. bit boring to watch him in a way.
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On August 23 2023 20:46 Schelim wrote:
i feel like Serral has finished sc2 multiplayer. bit boring to watch him in a way.
Just watch Zerg vs Serral then
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Watching showtime getting in these solid positions to then just absolutely throw the game is so sad everytime 
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Maru knew he cant do the same 2 base timing push against Protoss, and he switch up to macro and Lib timing, Showtime was expecting Maru to do a Tank Bio push to crush it, he never had the answer to Libs switch.
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France12946 Posts
Feels like Maru tried to get an easy win g1, got countered, then got an easy win g2 due to ShoWTimE trying his luck with an easy win himself being up 1-0, then Maru dismantling him in regular macro game. Still scary, but now Maru is through unless GuMiho beats Serral but loses to MaxPax (depending on score) afaik?
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Serral made some big mistakes in the early game, but doesn't seem like it's gonna matter :/
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On August 23 2023 23:25 Poopi wrote:
Feels like Maru tried to get an easy win g1, got countered, then got an easy win g2 due to ShoWTimE trying his luck with an easy win himself being up 1-0, then Maru dismantling him in regular macro game. Still scary, but now Maru is through unless GuMiho beats Serral but loses to MaxPax (depending on score) afaik?
If map score is the first tie-breaker than Maru is in no matter what, MaxPax and Gumiho cant BOTH get higher map score than Maru.
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On August 23 2023 04:22 tlnetuser108 wrote:
Even though Maru lost against Serral, he's still a better player. Anyone know what am anomaly is? Cope harder.
What’s their head-to-head at this point?
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On August 24 2023 00:54 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2023 04:22 tlnetuser108 wrote:
Even though Maru lost against Serral, he's still a better player. Anyone know what am anomaly is? Cope harder. What’s their head-to-head at this point?
Overall:
Series: Serral 10-3 Maru
Game: Serral 27-15 Maru
Since 2022:
Series: Serral 5-0 Maru
Game: Serral 14-3 Maru
Data came from Liquipedia plus a WTL matchup last week that Liquipedia doesn't seem to include.
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Well, Serral was crushing Maru before 2021 as well, but Maru just suddenly won 2 big series against him, but then things are back to the way they were again with Serral winning the head-to-head handily.
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Looks like tomorrow is starting 30 minutes later than usual for some reason?
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They probably want to give players a chance to play in Open Cup KR.
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China6331 Posts
On August 24 2023 06:11 Die4Ever wrote:
Looks like tomorrow is starting 30 minutes later than usual for some reason?
SCboy has some commercial/promotional obligation to fulfill on their stream.
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I don't know if I've ever seen DRG use swarm hosts before
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Dark really didnt want to win that game it felt like :D
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ugh I hate queen drops, they're too good lol
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France12946 Posts
Ghost mech feels so weak after the ghost nerf from back then
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To be fair, only Maru was the one who consistently made it work, and other players try their best copying it. But even Maru these days arent doing it anymore, especially the BC opening into Mech Ghost. Not sure if its a map thing or Zerg figure out how to deal with it, but I dont think it was solely because of the Ghost.
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How did Cure come back from this?
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not a great match from HeroMarine vs Solar
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omfg he had the overlords in his army control group or something, that could've been way better
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Solar taking third in the group. Serral vs. Solar again?
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On August 28 2023 16:24 RaFox17 wrote:
Solar taking third in the group. Serral vs. Solar again?
1st will place 2nd from other groups, loser will play the 3rd place. So its not certain that Solar will ever play Serral, but also mean it could be Dark or Ragnarok will play Serral, because they are both 2nd place in their groups.
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Creator is just not on the same level as Maxpax/Hero/Classic, it's pretty sad because he looked like he was getting back into top form not too long ago
He has inexplicable "switch off" moments that you do not see from other players
(even in the context of winning that series)
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France12946 Posts
Creator looking good!
Pretty cool to see protoss doing well vs the top zergs at the moment
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On August 29 2023 00:02 Poopi wrote:
Creator looking good!
Pretty cool to see protoss doing well vs the top zergs at the moment
Strange to be living in an era where PvZ looks much more doable than PvT.
If a Toss makes it to a grand finals against Zerg I will still be very scared for them though.
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This could be the finals and instead it's the first match of the first group :D.
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I hope Elazer saving his Infestor/Viper build for the next world championship, because its making no sense for him to stay on a huge bank and LingBaneHydra with Lair tech forever.
Edit: Creator
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Interesting to see firefly strong pvp
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I'm surprised they didn't do the bracket draw yet, or announce the schedule for the playoffs
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Its updated on liquidpedia, other than having the 2 only Protoss playing each other, the match up seem okay.
User was warned for this post for the unforgiveable crime of typing out Liquidpedia.
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Bracket looking Good, Serral Clem first game is awesome
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Great bracket for Serral, with Dark's recent ZvT woes he has a good chance of dodging Zerg until the grand finals (though online Clem is not an easy opponent for him.)
While it's good that a Protoss will advance, they'll probably just be fed into Cure's unbeatable PvT
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