this is not a balance complaint, but imo nothing in SC2 *looks* more OP/broken than Terran late-game stuff in the hands of someone like Maru

watching late-game Zerg armies melt to snipes is psychologically devastating even to watch

Durnuu

13325 Posts

September 03 2022 15:39 GMT

#190

On September 04 2022 00:35 Captain Peabody wrote:
this is not a balance complaint, but imo nothing in SC2 *looks* more OP/broken than Terran late-game stuff in the hands of someone like Maru

watching late-game Zerg armies melt to snipes is psychologically devastating even to watch

Snipe is definitely overtuned imo. Doesn't mean it's completely imbalanced (obviously, just look at Zerg results in the past 5 years

) either, but yeah

Vindicare605

United States16125 Posts

September 03 2022 15:51 GMT

#191

I don't see how Snipe is any more powerful than Abduct is. Abduct deletes units from long range too, the only difference is that OTHER units do the killing, but it doesn't matter how big and powerful a unit is Abduct just yoinks it and it goes bye bye.

Here's the truth. Zergs feel entitled to have their armies win in late game situations vs Terran, they spend the whole game getting to Hive that when they start to lose once they are actually AT Hive, they rage and call imba. It's what they've always done. Anything that the other races have that can beat them once they are on Hive armies is broken and needs to be nerfed.

swarminfestor

Malaysia2465 Posts

September 03 2022 15:52 GMT

#192

Maru also lost the late game TvZ to the person like Dark and Rogue in the past. That sniping strategy doesn't always work.

Captain Peabody

United States3135 Posts

September 03 2022 15:57 GMT

#193

yeah again, I don't actually think it's OP, nor do I think I would support nerfing (I'm a Protoss main who mostly plays random). I really like the fact that Terran has strong late-game comps now (which was a big gap in the past), and I especially like that the Ghost is a unit that (unlike, say, a lot of Protoss late-game units) is very high-skill variance. I certainly don't think that Terran always wins in the late game, or that there's nothing Zerg can do against it.

All I'm saying, though, is that when you have a situation with a great Terran player using the late-game comp optimally, esp against a weaker player, it feels absurdly silly and powerful to see them absolutely melting top-tier late-game Zerg armies.

geokilla

Canada8254 Posts

September 03 2022 16:03 GMT

#194

Just play like Maru

Captain Peabody

United States3135 Posts

September 03 2022 16:04 GMT

#195

yeah I mean not an unexpected result, Maru is on top of his game recently

but credit to Lambo! he's been steadily getting better & making deeper and deeper runs into tournaments of late, and playing really well. the question is if he can make that magical leap to the top tier, but I think he has a shot if he keeps at it.

Captain Peabody

United States3135 Posts

September 03 2022 16:05 GMT

#196

oh wow the absolute TOP TIER analysis team, Harstem and Lambo

Ciaus_Dronu

South Africa1848 Posts

September 03 2022 16:07 GMT

#197

Maru Maru'd him, but it felt like Lambo at least played decently.

In current forms I expect Maru to 3-1 Reynor here.

Durnuu

13325 Posts

September 03 2022 16:08 GMT

#198

On September 04 2022 01:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Maru Maru'd him, but it felt like Lambo at least played decently.

In current forms I expect Maru to 3-1 Reynor here.

Depends, do they play PvP or not?

stilt

France2755 Posts

September 03 2022 16:10 GMT

#199

On September 04 2022 00:57 Captain Peabody wrote:
yeah again, I don't actually think it's OP, nor do I think I would support nerfing (I'm a Protoss main who mostly plays random). I really like the fact that Terran has strong late-game comps now (which was a big gap in the past), and I especially like that the Ghost is a unit that (unlike, say, a lot of Protoss late-game units) is very high-skill variance. I certainly don't think that Terran always wins in the late game, or that there's nothing Zerg can do against it.

All I'm saying, though, is that when you have a situation with a great Terran player using the late-game comp optimally, esp against a weaker player, it feels absurdly silly and powerful to see them absolutely melting top-tier late-game Zerg armies.

The main problem is it's fucking boring, it's either camping fest with death ball or the zerg banging his head against the terran defense with concave/amove/move commanding the bane.
The interactions are one dimensionnal and pretty shit regardless of the outcome but the map pool favors it so here we go.

Captain Peabody

United States3135 Posts

September 03 2022 16:11 GMT

#200

On September 04 2022 01:08 Durnuu wrote:

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Depends, do they play PvP or not?

honestly with all the off-racing someone needs to do a MANDATORY OFF-RACING tournament.