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DreamHack Masters: Valencia 2022 - Regionals - Page 2

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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-22 23:15:21
May 22 2022 19:58 GMT
#21
On May 23 2022 01:51 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
On May 23 2022 00:54 buzz_bender wrote:
Clem was way too aggressive against ShaDown


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.

Bring back single elimination Bo1


I know we are joking, but imagine how hype it would be to have a 64 player giga-bracket best of 1 tournament with random seeding. Almost everyone that benefit from the curent format is already richer than almost anyone in the history of SC2 anyway, it would shake things up a bit
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
May 22 2022 23:59 GMT
#22
Soulspirit 2-1 Reynor

He really earned that win! Surprisingly entertaining week for the regionals
Year of MaxPax
VladSlymor
Profile Joined November 2020
80 Posts
May 23 2022 08:45 GMT
#23
On May 23 2022 04:58 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2022 01:51 Elentos wrote:
On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
On May 23 2022 00:54 buzz_bender wrote:
Clem was way too aggressive against ShaDown


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.

Bring back single elimination Bo1


I know we are joking, but imagine how hype it would be to have a 64 player giga-bracket best of 1 tournament with random seeding. Almost everyone that benefit from the curent format is already richer than almost anyone in the history of SC2 anyway, it would shake things up a bit


I quite like the stability of those tournaments: we have other shorter/direct elimination tournaments, having the dreamhacks + katowice as the baseline league across the year makes sense to me.
Seems similar to what's done in most sports (europe at least) with the stable weekly league on one hand, and then the occasional cups and tournaments.

Also, it's not entirely fair to say those upsets don't matter. Anyone of the big 4 not finishing first of its group would significantly mess-up the elimination bracket afterwards and break the seeding for the offline (I actually think last year we never got the big 4 in the end, correct?).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
May 24 2022 09:15 GMT
#24
On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2022 00:54 buzz_bender wrote:
Clem was way too aggressive against ShaDown


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.

It’s really a problem of players rather than the format itself, but yes groups drag and are predictable.

Imagine this format applied to the GSL field of 4/5 years ago and it would (I imagine) have been bloody fantastic.

A single elim tournament would be more exciting and volatile, but Reynor and especially Serral almost never lose to players an appreciable level below them.

You’d likely end up with a more exciting early tournament and a more boring latter stages, with those guys butchering underdogs even more than they usually butcher the other top European players.

To just take Clem losing to Shadown, it would be nice if it had more stakes in it, but Clem reliably making it deep has given us some of the most consistently good TvZ rivalries anywhere in the world over the past year or two.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
May 24 2022 18:32 GMT
#25
On May 23 2022 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2022 00:54 buzz_bender wrote:
Clem was way too aggressive against ShaDown


It's result like this that make me hate the ESL format. It's a massive upset, yet it will bear almost no impact on the tournament result by itself.


That isn't really true, it puts a lot of pressure on the people who were competing with Shadown for 3rd/4th place in the group, goblin and Gungfu. Even Vanya's tournament is changed by it.
No will to live, no wish to die
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
May 24 2022 19:10 GMT
#26
LETS GO FUTURE AND VINDICTA!!!!!!
i love you
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 24 2022 19:30 GMT
#27
Eager to see NA
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 24 2022 21:02 GMT
#28
Nice hold by Scarlett
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
May 24 2022 21:34 GMT
#29
Didn't understand why people said queens are op until I watched that Scarlett Asuna game. I have seen the light
warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
May 24 2022 22:14 GMT
#30
> Didn't understand why people said queens are op until I watched that Scarlett Asuna game. I have seen the light

I don't understand why Asuna had to attack into spores queens and fungal/microbrial shroud. What's wrong with camping on 20 shield batteries per base and waiting for zerg to attack into you? Neeb plays that style with carriers/tempests and it seems to work well, because as good as queens are, shield battery and cannons are better.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 24 2022 22:25 GMT
#31
Pilipili MaSa g3 was fun + Show Spoiler +
(Pilipili overwhelmed MaSa with DTs)
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
May 25 2022 10:50 GMT
#32
On May 24 2022 18:15 WombaT wrote:
A single elim tournament would be more exciting and volatile, but Reynor and especially Serral almost never lose to players an appreciable level below them.

Yeah, after Reynor's loss I decided to look at Serral's Aligulac history. The worst player he's lost to in the last 3 years in a bo3+ is Nightmare. After that, you get into ShoWTimE/Elazer/Lambo/DRG territory, most of which were hotly contested and/or in non-premier events. His stability against players worse than him is incredible.

The losses against DRG are actually the most jarring for me, given DRG's ZvZ is notoriously bad and he lost to him twice. There does seem to be at least somewhat of a random aspect to ZvZ where depending on how much you can either make your opponent make safety lings or catch him offguard with more lings and eek out a few more drones, you can just win with overwhelming roach numbers, but it has to be a pretty small effect given upsets are still fairly rare.
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
May 25 2022 15:24 GMT
#33
ShaDown is playing out of his mind. It's clear that he has done a lot of prep against his opponents.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 25 2022 17:28 GMT
#34
On May 25 2022 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2022 18:15 WombaT wrote:
A single elim tournament would be more exciting and volatile, but Reynor and especially Serral almost never lose to players an appreciable level below them.

Yeah, after Reynor's loss I decided to look at Serral's Aligulac history. The worst player he's lost to in the last 3 years in a bo3+ is Nightmare. After that, you get into ShoWTimE/Elazer/Lambo/DRG territory, most of which were hotly contested and/or in non-premier events. His stability against players worse than him is incredible.

The losses against DRG are actually the most jarring for me, given DRG's ZvZ is notoriously bad and he lost to him twice. There does seem to be at least somewhat of a random aspect to ZvZ where depending on how much you can either make your opponent make safety lings or catch him offguard with more lings and eek out a few more drones, you can just win with overwhelming roach numbers, but it has to be a pretty small effect given upsets are still fairly rare.


I guess you mean Hurricane? Serral has never played against Nightmare.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1382 Posts
May 26 2022 14:06 GMT
#35
On May 26 2022 02:28 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2022 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 24 2022 18:15 WombaT wrote:
A single elim tournament would be more exciting and volatile, but Reynor and especially Serral almost never lose to players an appreciable level below them.

Yeah, after Reynor's loss I decided to look at Serral's Aligulac history. The worst player he's lost to in the last 3 years in a bo3+ is Nightmare. After that, you get into ShoWTimE/Elazer/Lambo/DRG territory, most of which were hotly contested and/or in non-premier events. His stability against players worse than him is incredible.

The losses against DRG are actually the most jarring for me, given DRG's ZvZ is notoriously bad and he lost to him twice. There does seem to be at least somewhat of a random aspect to ZvZ where depending on how much you can either make your opponent make safety lings or catch him offguard with more lings and eek out a few more drones, you can just win with overwhelming roach numbers, but it has to be a pretty small effect given upsets are still fairly rare.

I guess you mean Hurricane? Serral has never played against Nightmare.

It was all just a dream...
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 26 2022 17:11 GMT
#36
Serral Skillous is some nice positional pvz
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 26 2022 17:12 GMT
#37
Serral has no main and like 4 bases less but he's winning
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 26 2022 17:16 GMT
#38
Yeah Skillous has money but his army has zero quality. Everytime they engage he loses 50 supply and Serral loses like 2 units
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
May 26 2022 17:18 GMT
#39
Have to agree with ZG in the chat, it's surprising how extremely safe and conservative Serral is playing that lategame.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
May 26 2022 17:24 GMT
#40
It took Serral 30minutes to figure out that the best way to shut down Gateway multi-prong isnt BLord-Ultra-Infestor but the good old Lurker.
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