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MJG
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GSL Code S - Group D  Global StarCraft II League/2022/Season 1Participants  Trap GuMihoCreator SolarMap Pool BerlingradBlackburnCurious MindsGlittering AshesHardwirePride of AltarisRoughneckResults + Show Spoiler + | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
I can't tell if Trap played really badly or GuMiho played really well in that first series! | ||
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Niravroh
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umelbumel
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Durnuu
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On March 31 2022 19:09 MJG wrote: There wasn't a fancy LR thread so this will have to do. I can't tell if Trap played really badly or GuMiho played really well in that first series! Kinda both, Trap made some minor mistakes like losing too many stalkers for no reason, but it's not like he did something massive like we've seen other protosses do in the other groups either | ||
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tigera6
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On March 31 2022 19:09 MJG wrote: There wasn't a fancy LR thread yet so this will have to do. I can't tell if Trap played really badly or GuMiho played really well in that first series! Its both, but more on Trap playing bad imo. His control REALLY dropped off since beginning of last year. He let 5-6 Stalkers die for no real reason and that came back to bite him in the end, doesnt have enough unit to fight Gumiho army. Are all the KR Protoss on a hidden agreement that they will bomb out this code S or something? To protest the latest patch? | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
On March 31 2022 19:11 tigera6 wrote: Its both, but more on Trap playing bad imo. His control REALLY dropped off since beginning of last year. He let 5-6 Stalkers die for no real reason and that came back to bite him in the end, doesnt have enough unit to fight Gumiho army. Are all the KR Protoss on a hidden agreement that they will bomb out this code S or something? To protest the latest patch? His control definitely looked off. Hopefully he can pick himself up before the loser's match. | ||
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Durnuu
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Niravroh
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MJG
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darklycid
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
On March 31 2022 19:25 darklycid wrote: Idk felt more like Solar throwing to me tbh. Perhaps, but it'll still give Creator a big morale boost going forwards. | ||
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darklycid
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Niravroh
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GoloSC2
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MJG
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:D | ||
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tigera6
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[PkF] Wire
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Poopi
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darklycid
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GoloSC2
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MJG
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Lose Dark Shrine Rebuild Dark Shrine Relose Dark Shrine EDIT: Rebuild Dark Shrine again. Lose building shrine before it finishes. The circle of life. | ||
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Die4Ever
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Durnuu
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darklycid
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MJG
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
Double Forge build just like it's Wings of Liberty. I love it! | ||
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Durnuu
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Ciaus_Dronu
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MJG
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darklycid
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
Now hopefully Trap gets his sh$t together and qualifies in 2nd place | ||
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MJG
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umelbumel
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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darklycid
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
So happy for him! | ||
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SHODAN
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Ciaus_Dronu
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
On March 31 2022 20:37 darklycid wrote: Still confused to why gumiho gave up his first viking fleet + bases in the top left for free the first time. Did he forget his units in his base? I wasn't sure if he forgot the BCs or if he was trying to hide them. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On March 31 2022 20:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: How long since Creator got this kind of result? Feels like his best run in a long time :O 2012. That's what they said in the interview. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
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On March 31 2022 20:36 opterown wrote: Woohoo creator!! Creator wins and opterown shows up! What a day! | ||
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opterown
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Xain0n
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Javah
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
Classic | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
On March 31 2022 20:42 InfCereal wrote: Balance whining in the winner's interview after topping his group. Classic That's not Classic, that's Creator! | ||
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darklycid
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MJG
United Kingdom1450 Posts
On March 31 2022 21:05 darklycid wrote: Solar ain't doing it for me man, he seems to be on a low again. I thought he was looking pretty good until that one Disruptor shot destroyed his Roach/Ravager push. | ||
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darklycid
3541 Posts
On March 31 2022 21:06 MJG wrote: I thought he was looking pretty good until that one Disruptor shot destroyed his Roach/Ravager push. Idk he tunnels way too hard in certain situations today and throwing away advanatges. | ||
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darklycid
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
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darklycid
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
Poor GuMiho though, rematch curse is a pain for underdogs | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 31 2022 21:05 darklycid wrote: Solar ain't doing it for me man, he seems to be on a low again. forgetting Baneling Speed against Gabe got to him... | ||
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Durnuu
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GoloSC2
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toss on 3 bases at 15min | ||
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SHODAN
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
Still think Trap will get g3 tho | ||
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umelbumel
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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darklycid
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On March 31 2022 21:55 sudete wrote: Underdog terran beating protoss in 2022? Who da thunk it Creator got first in this group i cannot be shocked anymore. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
On March 31 2022 21:55 sudete wrote: Underdog terran beating protoss in 2022? Who da thunk it Super-Underdog Protoss beating underdog Terran in 2022 And also Zerg last place in group? O.o Zerg needs a well deserved buff IMO | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Durnuu
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Durnuu
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On March 31 2022 22:04 Durnuu wrote: 3 banshees total... Could it be M E C H ? Noooo he's making more barracks  | ||
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Pandain
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Pandain
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Die4Ever
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Whatson
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MJG
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TossHeroes
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On March 31 2022 22:16 Whatson wrote: some pretty rough Terran micro this game Gumiho pretty much had zero micro the last 5minute of G3 Constantly walking and standing in storm | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 31 2022 22:19 TossHeroes wrote: Gumiho pretty much had zero micro the last 5minute of G3 Constantly walking and standing in storm Yeah Gumiho had an interesting combination of really nice big-picture moves and movement of army, but not the best at the indiviudal micro or in individual circumstances. So if herO advances tomorrow and we get 4-4-3 representation - does that mean, once again, TL is terrible at balance analysis and is way overly reactive to individual in-the-moment results? | ||
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angry_maia
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This means complaining about zest flaming out is totally unwarranted -- that was just ryung frankly outplaying zest. That being said, I do think life is tough as a protoss fan -- even the best protosses in the world can lose to pretty much anyone. There is just no one that inspires the confidence of a dark or Maru. | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
On March 31 2022 22:37 angry_maia wrote: I don't think anyone seriously thinks pvt is unbalanced -- it's arguably the most balanced mu and has been very stable for a while now. This means complaining about zest flaming out is totally unwarranted -- that was just ryung frankly outplaying zest. That being said, I do think life is tough as a protoss fan -- even the best protosses in the world can lose to pretty much anyone. There is just no one that inspires the confidence of a dark or Maru. There is no terran you can trust to win his TvP reliably either though? Cure was supposed to after his GSL run but he lost several times after that, Maru lost a bunch of TvP, etc. The match-up was volatile and is probably still volatile to some extent after the patch | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 31 2022 22:37 angry_maia wrote: I don't think anyone seriously thinks pvt is unbalanced -- it's arguably the most balanced mu and has been very stable for a while now. This means complaining about zest flaming out is totally unwarranted -- that was just ryung frankly outplaying zest. That being said, I do think life is tough as a protoss fan -- even the best protosses in the world can lose to pretty much anyone. There is just no one that inspires the confidence of a dark or Maru. I think TvP was balanced before the patch, but in the patch they nerfed Blink DTs with absolutely zero compensation (drilling claws get never researched in TvP), so it will probably shift to Terran favored now (unless the patch makes less of a difference than I think) | ||
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darklycid
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On March 31 2022 22:41 Poopi wrote: There is no terran you can trust to win his TvP reliably either though? Cure was supposed to after his GSL run but he lost several times after that, Maru lost a bunch of TvP, etc. The match-up was volatile and is probably still volatile to some extent after the patch True, tho it felt like protoss drew the short end of the stick in decidng moments more often recently. edit: Problem is if one of your mus is this volatile and the other is just unfavored to pretty darn bad for you the results tend to look like they currently do as there is nothing to keep you stable; | ||
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angry_maia
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[PkF] Wire
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Xain0n
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Athenau
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On March 31 2022 22:43 Charoisaur wrote: I think TvP was balanced before the patch, but in the patch they nerfed Blink DTs with absolutely zero compensation (drilling claws get never researched in TvP), so it will probably shift to Terran favored now (unless the patch makes less of a difference than I think) The Blink DT nerf seems completely inconsequential in action though. | ||
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Moonerz
United States461 Posts
On March 31 2022 23:46 Athenau wrote: The Blink DT nerf seems completely inconsequential in action though. To be fair the nerf looked terrible when Zest blinked dts onto a terran army and they died before swinging once lol. I wouldnt mind changing it to they can instantly hit units but attacking buildings would have the delay (so turrets dont just get smacked instantly), or just revert it completely. | ||
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tigera6
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darklycid
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On April 01 2022 01:27 tigera6 wrote: Solar was a big disappointment, like why did he have to keep making Roach and fight into the Protoss ground army of Disruptor and Archon. No Lurker, no Viper and no Muta whatsoever, thats just insane. He did go for Mutas in the last game vs trap but then just died tbf. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On April 01 2022 00:27 Moonerz wrote: To be fair the nerf looked terrible when Zest blinked dts onto a terran army and they died before swinging once lol. I wouldnt mind changing it to they can instantly hit units but attacking buildings would have the delay (so turrets dont just get smacked instantly), or just revert it completely. I disagree. It was too powerful before. P had the advantage against T before because of constant waves of DTs killing expensive planetary ezpz while also having amazing combat utility to get free swipes on terran bio and the ability to get away. Now with the nerf the terran has just that much more time (not much even with the nerf) to defend the base against DT harrass but even still DTs can get the job done. The nerf is honestly not that big of a deal. same as the widow mine nerf, almost inconsequential. edit: replied to the wrong person lol | ||
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Zambrah
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tigera6
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On April 01 2022 01:31 darklycid wrote: He did go for Mutas in the last game vs trap but then just died tbf. Yeah, but he also started Roach speed, +1 Melee and 30 lings into double Colossi, and end up with only 6 Muta, panic and make more Roach. That was a very bad tech build and throwing away larvae for no good reason. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26505 Posts
On April 01 2022 01:42 Zambrah wrote: I choose not to watch starcraft and Protoss wins, I guess Ill have to keep not watching starcraft, maybe I can get a Trap GSL win out of it I pray you stick to this  Interesting games today, it's good to see Gumiho and his idiosyncratic ways coming back into some kind of shape, bodes well for next season it's taken him a bit longer to get back to this kind of level than I thought it would | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On April 01 2022 01:35 Wrathsc2 wrote: I disagree. It was too powerful before. P had the advantage against T before because of constant waves of DTs killing expensive planetary ezpz while also having amazing combat utility to get free swipes on terran bio and the ability to get away. Now with the nerf the terran has just that much more time (not much even with the nerf) to defend the base against DT harrass but even still DTs can get the job done. The nerf is honestly not that big of a deal. same as the widow mine nerf, almost inconsequential. edit: replied to the wrong person lol I completely agree that DTs were too powerful and also felt unfair to play against but TvP was balanced around them. With that option nerfed with no compensation I fear Protoss won't have the tools anymore to disrupt a terran just macroing up on Bio + buffed Ghosts + Libs against Disruptors. In general it feels weird to me to only buff/nerf one side of a matchup when previous balance was 50/50 | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12422 Posts
On April 01 2022 01:42 Zambrah wrote: I choose not to watch starcraft and Protoss wins, I guess Ill have to keep not watching starcraft, maybe I can get a Trap GSL win out of it You can watch once you know the result But if the rest of the games are like Creator vs Solar, not really worth it. Solar threw that game 2 pretty damn hard. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On April 01 2022 02:01 Charoisaur wrote: I completely agree that DTs were too powerful and also felt unfair to play against but TvP was balanced around them. With that option nerfed with no compensation I fear Protoss won't have the tools anymore to disrupt a terran just macroing up on Bio + buffed Ghosts + Libs against Disruptors. In general it feels weird to me to only buff/nerf one side of a matchup when previous balance was 50/50 like i was saying i do not think it was 50/50 when the game went into lategame. I felt toss had the advantage by quite a bit. Even now with all the splash i think toss is still very strong. the answer to turtle terrans is tempest which terran still doesnt have a very clear answer to. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Lots of action-y games, and longer macro games too. I'm so happy Creator finally advanced!!! Even though he was prone to falling apart in the past, he still showed very impressive skills in the last couple years. Who remembers that group with Creator, Zest, Patience, which had lots of really intense, close, action packed PvPs (Stalker Disruptor?) He barely lost to Zest and didn't make it out. He has moments of brilliance and I love the way he plays, it just seems like he tries so hard and is so ambitious. I'm glad he said he was able to move out (of his house? or did the interpreter mean that he moved out of his group), and that his mentality has improved. Perhaps the skills were always there but it was them mentality that'd cause him to fall apart in games. Gumiho's play was exciting to watch too, he's so aggressive with his stims. I think he would have beaten Creator or at least won that climactic fight in G3, if he had Yamato'd ASAP after jumping his BCs on Creator's fleet... I'm going to guess he might have wanted to shift queue yamato, but messed it up somehow? He didn't yamato until very late into the fight, and only like 3 BCs yamato'd, and they barely killed anything since it wasn't focused and the Carriers were near shield batteries. Waiting even 1 second after jumping to yamato makes a big difference in how the fight plays out, you NEED to yamato right away. But I'm happy Creator pulled through in the end! G3 vs Gumiho was suspenseful for me, I liked both plays and wanted both to advance, but wanted Creator more because of how hard he's been trying and how close he's been so many times to pulling off greatness. G3 could have been a little less passive, or maybe if the players took more time to get rich we could have had a more juicy long game of lots of huge fights, but the game we got was still suspenseful and showed how much each player wanted to win and how careful they were trying to be, all while trying to keep a very strong army to simply not die. Gumiho's games vs Trap were exciting too, lots of back and forth and like Tastosis mentioned, it's like the game would just swing back and forth. One player would lose an engagement badly but somehow do significant damage back to the other player. SC2/LotV has really evolved to such an amazing state, I love it! Who says there is no early game? I felt bad for Solar losing soo much to those huge Disruptor shots. In one shot he lost like 4 Ravagers and 4 Roaches... instantly dropped from 86 to 66 supply, holy shit lol. I didn't even know you could fit that many units into 1 shot! Creator vs Solar was really exciting too, that was a disgusting cheese g1, g2 was really close and intense and the way Creator swung it at the end, just barely keeping his defenses together with his army spread out across such a wide arc around his bases, was awesome. And Creator's cheese g3 was awesome!! So happy Creator WON his group holy crap, probably my favorite protoss now that sOs is retired. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
Protoss has all the tools to win, but the bench is so shallow... Trap is still the #1 P, but the skill gap between him and top T/Z players is tough to overcome. | ||
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