[GSL 2022] Code S - Ro20 Group B

On March 24 2022 19:17 Poopi wrote:
Maru not vetoing Pride of Altaris?
Is he trying to find out the lowest level zerg he can beat on such a map??

On March 24 2022 19:35 [PkF] Wire wrote:
and he remakes the roach warren. This is next level.

On March 24 2022 20:54 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This looks kinda sad
Rough day for Armani.

On March 24 2022 21:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
To think people actually keep believing that Armani is anything other than a low seeded Ro16 player at his best. He's just not that good guys.

On March 24 2022 21:10 Vindicare605 wrote:


Practice partners and filling out the ladder, I can see that.

Once upon a time that would have equaled a decent Code A player. With the Korean scene slowly dying the way it is, Armani is a fringe Ro16 Code S player.

I just don't see him doing much more than that. My eye test doesn't judge his skill level as anything above that. He's not bad, he'd crush any pretender semi pro, but he just can't hang with any of the real top players that consistently make the Ro8 and Ro4.

On March 24 2022 21:14 Vindicare605 wrote:


Agreed there. That was a cost cutting thing because Code A never brought the viewership. But I have missed it since the minute it disappeared.

I miss GSTL too.

On March 24 2022 22:07 Vindicare605 wrote:
The Carriers are so fucking useless and such a massive waste of supply. I don't understand why Zest keeps making them.

On March 24 2022 22:09 Vindicare605 wrote:


Except Zest isn't making a single Disruptor. This is Carrier/Collosus like what Classic tried to do vs Dream and got crushed doing.

On March 24 2022 22:13 Vindicare605 wrote:



You can't even claim that he was making Carrier/Collosus/Disruptor when Zest never made a single Disruptor.

It was just Zest playing bad. Plain and simple. Nothing he ended up doing in the games that were close ended up making any sense.

On March 25 2022 00:20 tigera6 wrote:
I watched the last big fight again and again, and notice that the whole time Zest was fighting 3-3 Bio with +1 armor Gateway units, like WTF was that.

On March 25 2022 05:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I just watched Ryung - Zest g3. This is... an abomination of a throw, right ? I can't even remember the last time I saw such a huge lead be thrown. Insane.

On March 25 2022 11:26 buzz_bender wrote:


Also, just to add a related point, it seems to me that the meta for Terran plays are leaning more and more into ghosts in the matchups against P and Z. It just feels like in the recent 6-8 months, I'm beginning to see a lot more ghost plays for Terrans compared to a few years ago. I won't be surprised if ghosts will be nerfed in the future.

On March 25 2022 12:46 tigera6 wrote:

Yeah, Ghost is so well-rounded that it counter almost everything from Zerg if not get caught out of place. And is a nightmare with against Protoss with EMP. If I have to come up with a nerf for it, I would say reduce the Snipe damage and make EMP not able to remove shield anymore, put that as a separate ability for the Raven or something like BW.

On March 25 2022 12:46 tigera6 wrote:

If I have to come up with a nerf for it, I would say reduce the Snipe damage and make EMP not able to remove shield anymore, put that as a separate ability for the Raven or something like BW.

On March 25 2022 11:26 buzz_bender wrote:


Yeah, I don't know what Zest was thinking - just horrible engagement into more horrible engagements. All he had to do was wait, and starve out Ryung. Ryung only had like 2 or 3 bases, already beginning to mine out, and Zest had the rest of the map. I don't know why he kept engaging into Ryung's army (horrible engagements too - it's like he didn't micro his units), and not go for disruptors against the ghosts.

Also, just to add a related point, it seems to me that the meta for Terran plays are leaning more and more into ghosts in the matchups against P and Z. It just feels like in the recent 6-8 months, I'm beginning to see a lot more ghost plays for Terrans compared to a few years ago. I won't be surprised if ghosts will be nerfed in the future.

On March 25 2022 17:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:

I'd personally be surprised with a nerf, ghosts are strong indeed but I don't see them as imba per se. We'll see.

On March 26 2022 00:19 DarkGamer wrote:
WOW, impressive g3 of zest vs ryung!

funny how everything is a throw for some casual gamers :D

On March 26 2022 01:10 WombaT wrote:

It was impressive from Ryung, he showed a ton of heart, brains and execution to cling on and take that win.

And, more than most I enjoy clown fiestas or weird games, they give something a bit different than stellar standard play all the time. So a very enjoyable thing from that perspective.

That said it’s really not a backseat gamer thing to say Zest threw that, incredibly hard.

With some credit to Zest his transition out of his cannon rush, and gauging quite how greedy he could be was 100% on the money tactical, to such a degree that game should have been impossible to lose.

He had the bank and income to throw Zealots or warp them in to pin Ryung even further back, or even cut into his production if he found a hole. Buy time to make an unkillable army.

Instead Ryung killed nearly his whole army, which was clearly missing certain components, multiple times somehow.

He had Ryung absolutely on the ropes to the extent he never got more than a few Vikings, never mind a good lib transition out. He dumped tons of gas into archons that evaporated almost instantly instead of even a handful of disruptors. Vs Ryung’s composition that can only take out the Toss if the bio/ghost can close the gap and get under it.

This didn’t even happen just once either! He didn’t try to sit back and backstab Ryung to death with his huge eco advantage, which hell you see Protoss manage even one or two bases ahead, and the alternate approach of having a superior main army that Ryung couldn’t engage he also botched.

Yeah it was fun and I enjoyed seeing an old hand in Ryung pull it through but Jesus some of Zest’s calls that game were beyond bad

On March 26 2022 01:25 [PkF] Wire wrote:

Ryung had incredible heart and fortitude to even believe he could pull the comeback, but I have to agree, Zest's decision making and army composition were abysmal, even hard to understand sometimes.

On March 26 2022 03:39 honorablemacroterran wrote:
It sounds silly but you really rarely see players set up engagements as thoughtfully as Ryung especially in TvP. He's constantly trying to surround the Protoss player with hidden flanking maneuvers or getting the Protoss to overextend into a position where he already has a flank set up. People always say that Protoss is supposed to be the "strategic" race but he really makes it look like the opposite. His positioning of everything is so good.