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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 15:45 GMT
#41
Steadfast is a huge MaxPax fan; considering how good Max is in PvP, however, this series could easily go either way.
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
December 03 2021 15:48 GMT
#42
Especially considering Trap is not in form at the moment.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33584 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 15:51:22
December 03 2021 15:50 GMT
#43
I don't think it's outlandish at all to think MaxPax is the #1 PvP player in terms of raw ability. What I'm more skeptical about is his big game chops (very little major tournament success so far).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#44
YISS, Reynor lost.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States461 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#45
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3481 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#46
Reynor is washed?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:23 GMT
#47
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 16:27:02
December 03 2021 16:26 GMT
#48
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it!
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States714 Posts
December 03 2021 16:26 GMT
#49
On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote:
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name

Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction.


Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor).

Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:30 GMT
#50
On December 04 2021 01:26 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it!


Such a low effort comment.
Serral winning wouldn't make non korean performance look especially better; foreigners are performing worse at this event than at NEXT or the previous tournaments we had in the last weeks but "struggling" seems a little excessive when Spirit 2-0s Cure.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States461 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 16:32:18
December 03 2021 16:31 GMT
#51
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.



6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment.

Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
December 03 2021 16:36 GMT
#52
On December 04 2021 01:31 Moonerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote:
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.



6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment.

Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see.


I think Elazer and Lambo definitely have potential to make deepish runs, though Elazer needs Zoun to beat Byun. Otherwise yeah, Serral is the only foreigner who looks like he'll do well (Maru losing also gave him a very nice bracket, nothing's certain but he has a clear path to winners final.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
153 Posts
December 03 2021 16:38 GMT
#53
damnit bunny beat maru, wanted to see maru vs serral again
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3540 Posts
December 03 2021 16:39 GMT
#54
Showtime and dying to mutas, happens way too often
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3481 Posts
December 03 2021 16:41 GMT
#55
Rogue just does what Rogue does best, smashing.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:42 GMT
#56
On December 04 2021 01:26 ZombieGrub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote:
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name

Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction.


Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor).

Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it

Well, nothing wrong about fanboying as long as it's not against Maru or herO/Clasic

I would expect at least one of you go for Trap. I get why you voted for Maxpax, he's good, reallygood, but no one for Trap?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:52 GMT
#57
Rogue seems to be in top shape this week.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3540 Posts
December 03 2021 16:52 GMT
#58
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:59 GMT
#59
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote:
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.

Part of the issue is that yo uhave to hardcounter mutalisk, before HotS regen nonsense you could have defended with blink stalkers and/or stormuuu.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3481 Posts
December 03 2021 16:59 GMT
#60
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote:
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.

The 1-1 Roach Ravager timing from Zerg has always been fearsome if you dont have enough defense at home. Even if Showtime went for double Stargate, he would have still die to a Queen Walk with Roach/Ravager support.
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