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Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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Durnuu
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swarminfestor
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I expect Rogue also will not deliver much today. | ||
Harris1st
Germany6123 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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buzz_bender
441 Posts
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. | ||
Poopi
France12463 Posts
On December 03 2021 21:52 Durnuu wrote: Maru fans in shambles Why would we be in shambles? Katowice is the goal, gotta lose instead of winning everything then bombing out in group stages | ||
CJherOfan
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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Zambrah
United States6831 Posts
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tigera6
2901 Posts
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup. Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote: On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup. Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it. I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out. | ||
midhigh
49 Posts
On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote: On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote: On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup. Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it. I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out. Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there.. | ||
Poopi
France12463 Posts
It’s less of an upset than Cure getting destroyed by Spirit | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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midhigh
49 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote: But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:45 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote: But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard Maybe he's using the Valve time xD (bigger soons) That being said, Trap said the chance of him going is higher. | ||
Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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tigera6
2901 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:45 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote: But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard I dont think Zest will be able to leave the country if his military status is still unknown at that time. If IEM is online, then there is a large chance Zest can play in it. | ||
tigera6
2901 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:32 midhigh wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote: On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote: On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote: On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup. Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it. I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out. Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there.. Its not turtling, its solid opening, aka dont dive a Medivac drop into Viking and Marine/Tank/Cyclone on defensive position. Just poor decision making overall when its completely unnecessary. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:57 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 23:32 midhigh wrote: On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote: On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote: On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote: On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote: Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today. I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing. Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup. Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it. I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out. Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there.. Its not turtling, its solid opening, aka dont dive a Medivac drop into Viking and Marine/Tank/Cyclone on defensive position. Just poor decision making overall when its completely unnecessary. But that's like asking water to don't wet things xD Maru is Maru. | ||
Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 04 2021 00:06 Waxangel wrote: The contrasting compositions are so fun here, like mech vs bio TvT Not so much for me, but thats probably that i hate generally air turtling styles in general. | ||
Oukka
Finland1665 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8759 Posts
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote: But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place Am I understanding that Trap is thinking about skipping Katowice? | ||
Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
On December 04 2021 00:29 Nakajin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote: But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place Am I understanding that Trap is thinking about skipping Katowice? he just said it's unclear if he can go. seems like a situation like classic in 2019? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Rogue is two months older than Trap tho, if we go by age he could be in danger as well. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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Poopi
France12463 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote: I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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buzz_bender
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Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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Moonerz
United States408 Posts
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tigera6
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly. Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious. | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it! | ||
ZombieGrub
United States680 Posts
On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote: I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction. Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor). Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:26 swarminfestor wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it! Such a low effort comment. Serral winning wouldn't make non korean performance look especially better; foreigners are performing worse at this event than at NEXT or the previous tournaments we had in the last weeks but "struggling" seems a little excessive when Spirit 2-0s Cure. | ||
Moonerz
United States408 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly. Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious. 6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment. Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see. | ||
dysenterymd
1049 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:31 Moonerz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote: On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly. Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious. 6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment. Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see. I think Elazer and Lambo definitely have potential to make deepish runs, though Elazer needs Zoun to beat Byun. Otherwise yeah, Serral is the only foreigner who looks like he'll do well (Maru losing also gave him a very nice bracket, nothing's certain but he has a clear path to winners final.) | ||
allmotor1
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darklycid
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tigera6
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:26 ZombieGrub wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote: I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction. Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor). Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it Well, nothing wrong about fanboying as long as it's not against Maru or herO/Clasic I would expect at least one of you go for Trap. I get why you voted for Maxpax, he's good, reallygood, but no one for Trap? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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darklycid
3132 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote: Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc. Part of the issue is that yo uhave to hardcounter mutalisk, before HotS regen nonsense you could have defended with blink stalkers and/or stormuuu. | ||
tigera6
2901 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote: Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc. The 1-1 Roach Ravager timing from Zerg has always been fearsome if you dont have enough defense at home. Even if Showtime went for double Stargate, he would have still die to a Queen Walk with Roach/Ravager support. | ||
dysenterymd
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AzAlexZ
Australia3302 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24187 Posts
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Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 04 2021 01:36 dysenterymd wrote: Show nested quote + On December 04 2021 01:31 Moonerz wrote: On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote: On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote: Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly. Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious. 6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment. Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see. I think Elazer and Lambo definitely have potential to make deepish runs, though Elazer needs Zoun to beat Byun. Otherwise yeah, Serral is the only foreigner who looks like he'll do well (Maru losing also gave him a very nice bracket, nothing's certain but he has a clear path to winners final.) It's 10-4 in series which is bad but not terrible, on average you will have more often tournaments where koreans are ahead or, in a given tournament, you should expect koreans to edge out non koreans in the overall count. In the post Serral world the opposite happens fairly often but, on average, koreans have the advantage(they still have more top tier players). To make a comparison, it was 9-6 in favor of foreigners at KoB, 12-7 for koreans at the last DH Masters just this month. | ||
Harris1st
Germany6123 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
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Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 04 2021 02:07 Waxangel wrote: No complaints with Rogue vs Dark considering the bizarrely fun games they play I will complain that they're once again on the same side of the bracket - never on opposite sides | ||
Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On the other hand, that ZvZ would be Rogue vs Dark. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20682 Posts
On December 04 2021 02:20 Harris1st wrote: That game 2 of Trap vs MaxPax was the most entertaining PvP I ever watched! Hope to see more of those battling it out in the future Saw a few on Twitter saying this too, be there VoDs? | ||
JJH777
United States4277 Posts
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darklycid
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darklycid
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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Calliope
297 Posts
Edit: oh, okay, it is Soul. Obviously good then, but not perhaps the New Hope. | ||
SC-Shield
Bulgaria765 Posts
I watched Maru vs Cure 3rd game, I'm surprised how Maru came back | ||
darklycid
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Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8759 Posts
What complete nonsense | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
And pros pretend this is normal in the interviews, that's the best in it | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6123 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened? Why would you do that though? | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 04 2021 23:46 SC-Shield wrote: 6k-7k viewers seems very low for such a tournament. Timezone issues or something else? I watched Maru vs Cure 3rd game, I'm surprised how Maru came back Did you just see this PvZ? You wanna look at this shit? Queenwalk vs airtoss is just so ... bad to watch. And PvZ is quite frequent. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened? Why would you do that though? Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it. Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:22 chipmonklord17 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote: On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened? Why would you do that though? Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it. Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond Lambo won with the queen walk, he didn't have to do anything besides to not move command the whole army on a loop through the whole map. | ||
Elentos
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:25 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:22 chipmonklord17 wrote: On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote: On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened? Why would you do that though? Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it. Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond Lambo won with the queen walk, he didn't have to do anything besides to not move command the whole army on a loop through the whole map. Sure but you should be connecting your bases far far before that point | ||
Durnuu
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darklycid
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:30 swarminfestor wrote: Kind of weird masssing with oracles, but herO still can win. It was just a smart read. Oracles have way better DPS against queen walks than void rays do. | ||
buzz_bender
441 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:35 buzz_bender wrote: Are we seeing the birth of a new meta in PvZ with oracles?? The next time they will scout Oracles and delay the walk to have more queens. But it will still result in the queen walk most probably, bleh. But I hope to be wrong | ||
Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:35 buzz_bender wrote: Are we seeing the birth of a new meta in PvZ with oracles?? It's the Circle of Has It cheeses us all~ | ||
MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... | ||
darklycid
3132 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner. Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good. Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie | ||
darklycid
3132 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner. Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good. Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie I mean the casters probably just don't have the biggest insight into the current lvl of koreans returness, esp. herO who didnt do a bigger splash yet and Lambo is pretty good in zvp and has beaten e.g. trap recently so i'd have favored lambo too here. | ||
Waxangel
United States32480 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner. Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good. Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie ? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20682 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:48 Waxangel wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner. Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good. Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie ? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now. I think this is a correct read, but equally herO isn’t any kind of huge underdog here | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 05 2021 00:48 Waxangel wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote: On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner. Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral... To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good. Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie ? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now. I am not consideirng him a favorite, where did I write it? If you're not with me, then you're my enemy? I wrote it should have been equal. It was equal. Nobody was IMO a clear favorite. So it wasn't an upset or a big surprise Nothing wrong in that IMO. edit> TBF I was expecting Lambo to win 2:1, so maybe a slight favorite for him, but still, not an upset IMO. But what do I know, I watch SC2 once in a blue moon, because PvZ is just so bad to watch. | ||
Obamarauder
697 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
User was warned for this post. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8759 Posts
On December 05 2021 01:47 MarianoSC2 wrote: Uhm, why does Maru have to play the loser of Dark/Rogue and Reynor Solar/HM? Can't be more obviously rigged than that really... Huh? Are you serious...? You think the TSL admin constructed their bracket so that Reynor would have a slightly better match up after losing to Ragnarok 5 matches deep into the bracket? | ||
Luolis
Finland6998 Posts
On December 05 2021 01:47 MarianoSC2 wrote: Uhm, why does Maru have to play the loser of Dark/Rogue and Reynor Solar/HM? Can't be more obviously rigged than that really... Because that is how double elimination brackets work? :D | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 05 2021 01:55 swarminfestor wrote: Bio > Mech, confirmed! This match and the last thousand confirm it | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On December 05 2021 02:01 Durnuu wrote: This match and the last thousand confirm it Maybe it's the user failing the composition and not the other way round | ||
Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 05 2021 02:05 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 02:01 Durnuu wrote: On December 05 2021 01:55 swarminfestor wrote: Bio > Mech, confirmed! This match and the last thousand confirm it Maybe it's the user failing the composition and not the other way round That's true in part, but there is a reason he is the only one going mech in the first place | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20682 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8759 Posts
On December 05 2021 02:22 WombaT wrote: I like that battle report UI tab, where is that from? I think it's been added to Gameheart but I could be wrong | ||
jomacool
1 Post
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tigera6
2901 Posts
On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote: Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded? Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late. | ||
Argonauta
Spain4724 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8759 Posts
On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote: Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded? Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late. Yes, it's a very nice attention, they also didn't make Scarlett and Special play at the start of the day. It's always fun to see admin and organisers go the extra step | ||
Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 05 2021 21:21 Nakajin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote: On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote: Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded? Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late. Yes, it's a very nice attention, they also didn't make Scarlett and Special play at the start of the day. It's always fun to see admin and organisers go the extra step Sounds more like basic decency to me tbh | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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darklycid
3132 Posts
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ZombieGrub
United States680 Posts
On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote: Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded? Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late. Byun was moving and wasn't sure he could get a setup ready in time. | ||
Die4Ever
United States17430 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On December 05 2021 22:47 Die4Ever wrote: Solar has been so good lately He's setting up for some sort of massive disappointment. I can almost taste it. | ||
stilt
France2632 Posts
On December 05 2021 22:56 Elentos wrote: He's setting up for some sort of massive disappointment. I can almost taste it. The bomber law is strong within this man | ||
mark_lenders
74 Posts
On December 05 2021 22:47 Die4Ever wrote: Solar has been so good lately solar is always good in the early stages of a tournament. now i expect him to lose to dark/rogue and in the loser bracket, finishing top6 which isn't bad anyways | ||
darklycid
3132 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
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Durnuu
13269 Posts
On December 05 2021 23:46 Elentos wrote: Lmao that resources lost, is this turtle mech? he has the mech skin, definitely counts | ||
Elentos
55454 Posts
On December 05 2021 23:48 Durnuu wrote: Show nested quote + On December 05 2021 23:46 Elentos wrote: Lmao that resources lost, is this turtle mech? he has the mech skin, definitely counts He also has the same result as a mech player would | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
Ah, damn, it can't be. It has to be 1 Z and 1 Z/P. Damn RIP my dreams | ||
darklycid
3132 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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tigera6
2901 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 06 2021 00:38 tigera6 wrote: why didnt Showtime tag the Marines move out from Byun? He got blindsided and could not put down the proper Force Field He's probably asking himself the same questions xD | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On December 06 2021 00:34 swarminfestor wrote: We dont have any more protoss player left beside herO and Trap. We have a very good chance that the last 8 players (LR 5) will be 1 T, 1 P and 6 Zergs. Dark for sure can beat both Special and Maru, Ragnarok beating both herO and Spirit is possible and Heromarine can lose to Reynor, not sure about Scarlett. | ||
Calliope
297 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
3817 Posts
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darklycid
3132 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2298 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On December 06 2021 03:08 swarminfestor wrote: Maru has to face possibly triple Zerg players coming into the final: Dark, Reynor (if Heromarine lose) and Serral (if Trap win). Let hope Trap beat Serral. He has a whole week to prepare. Serral is almost unbeatable in ZvP. Trap is probably the only protoss right now who has a chance of beating him but he needs to show top form which hasnt been the case for some time now. Lets hope Traps preparation is good indeed | ||
Harris1st
Germany6123 Posts
On December 06 2021 03:08 swarminfestor wrote: Maru has to face possibly triple Zerg players coming into the final: Dark, Reynor (if Heromarine lose) and Serral (if Trap win). Let hope Trap beat Serral. He has a whole week to prepare. The most important thing is that we get another Rogue vs Dark somewhere in the bracket. The last one was disappointing so I want a redo | ||
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