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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 12:04:55
December 03 2021 12:02 GMT
#1

TSL 8 - Week 2


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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 12:16:48
December 03 2021 12:15 GMT
#2
I thought this thread located on 'Tourneys' topic instead of 'General'.

Edit: Already made correction.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 03 2021 12:52 GMT
#3
Maru fans in shambles
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 12:54:43
December 03 2021 12:53 GMT
#4
Damn, Cure is Maru's next opponent.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 12:54 GMT
#5
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 03 2021 12:55 GMT
#6
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I expect Rogue also will not deliver much today.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
December 03 2021 12:57 GMT
#7
Best TvT player in the world is confirmed: Bunny
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 13:01 GMT
#8
I wonder if Maru will provide same shit against Cure as well, if I were Harstem I would be triggered :D
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 03 2021 13:03 GMT
#9
So, which winning streak match up has not been stopped yet? Serral's ZvP or Cure's TvP?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 13:06 GMT
#10
herO's asking for the queenwalk?
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
December 03 2021 13:07 GMT
#11
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12883 Posts
December 03 2021 13:09 GMT
#12
On December 03 2021 21:52 Durnuu wrote:
Maru fans in shambles

Why would we be in shambles?
Katowice is the goal, gotta lose instead of winning everything then bombing out in group stages
WriterMaru
CJherOfan
Profile Joined October 2021
35 Posts
December 03 2021 13:11 GMT
#13
please herO win ...
I am the world's #1 CJ herO fan
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 03 2021 13:13 GMT
#14
I don't know why herO did not send one void ray to spot any overlord flying at the blind spot of his base.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 13:17 GMT
#15
Let's revive the Protoss needs doors theme!
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 03 2021 13:25 GMT
#16
herO just needed to polish his PvZ skill. His PvT and PvP are doing fine lately.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7298 Posts
December 03 2021 13:28 GMT
#17
I like the pajamas
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 13:40 GMT
#18
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.

Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup.
Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 13:55 GMT
#19
On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote:
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.

Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup.
Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it.

I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
December 03 2021 14:32 GMT
#20
On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote:
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.

Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup.
Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it.

I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out.


Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there..
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12883 Posts
December 03 2021 14:36 GMT
#21
It’s bo3 though, it’s known to be super volatile in sc2, no reason to freak out that Maru lost a TvT.
It’s less of an upset than Cure getting destroyed by Spirit
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 14:39 GMT
#22
Trap dropping some big bombs.
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midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
December 03 2021 14:43 GMT
#23
It was one of the most genuinely honest and fun recent interview.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 14:44:27
December 03 2021 14:43 GMT
#24
This is one of best interview of Trap I have seen in awhile. Such honest and funny answers.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 14:44 GMT
#25
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 03 2021 14:45 GMT
#26
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place

Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 14:52 GMT
#27
On December 03 2021 23:45 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place

Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard

Maybe he's using the Valve time xD (bigger soons)

That being said, Trap said the chance of him going is higher.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 03 2021 14:52 GMT
#28
Trap studied for a week and came back with the answer "just 3 gate better"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 14:53 GMT
#29
On December 03 2021 23:45 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place

Zest is a mystery, he's supposed to go to the military very soon, but it seems to be a soon trademarked by Blizzard

I dont think Zest will be able to leave the country if his military status is still unknown at that time. If IEM is online, then there is a large chance Zest can play in it.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 14:57 GMT
#30
On December 03 2021 23:32 midhigh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote:
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.

Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup.
Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it.

I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out.


Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there..

Its not turtling, its solid opening, aka dont dive a Medivac drop into Viking and Marine/Tank/Cyclone on defensive position. Just poor decision making overall when its completely unnecessary.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 14:59 GMT
#31
On December 03 2021 23:57 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 23:32 midhigh wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:55 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:40 tigera6 wrote:
On December 03 2021 22:07 buzz_bender wrote:
On December 03 2021 21:54 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played like a buffoon against Bunny, almost Clem-like with the quick-triggered Medivac drop. Seems like he got burned out and doesnt give a F about his gameplay today.


I also think that he's playing against his team mate. If anyone would know his playstyle, it would be Bunny. I suspected if anyone were to beat Maru in TvT, it would have been Bunny because they are team mates, and Bunny's TvT is amazing.

Thats more of the reason Maru shouldnt do anything risky. Maru strength lies in his lategame army control and positioning. If you play your best game and lose because the other guy does better, so be it. Its just bad to give up on your own strength and play some way over-agressive style that clearly not suitable for the matchup.
Bunny TvT is quite great, probably as a result of practicing with Maru. But even Bunny would not want to play Maru in lategame, like in that KoB2 match. Oh well, there is a high chance Maru would be playing lots of TvT in the Lower Bracket as well, so lets see how hes gonna do on it.

I don't know why every person pretends maru is a turtle Terran. Maru is overaggressive Terran who does stupid overaggressive moves here and there. But since he's good in the lategame everybody forgets this part of Maru and pretends he has to turtle it out.


Also, if he turtles automatically every game, everybody would try to blindcounter his playstyle.. It is not that easy, to always make a good decision and play your best. Even Maru fans should admit, he can have an off day, just like Serral looses here and there..

Its not turtling, its solid opening, aka dont dive a Medivac drop into Viking and Marine/Tank/Cyclone on defensive position. Just poor decision making overall when its completely unnecessary.

But that's like asking water to don't wet things xD Maru is Maru.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 03 2021 15:06 GMT
#32
The contrasting compositions are so fun here, like mech vs bio TvT
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 15:20 GMT
#33
On December 04 2021 00:06 Waxangel wrote:
The contrasting compositions are so fun here, like mech vs bio TvT

Not so much for me, but thats probably that i hate generally air turtling styles in general.
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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
December 03 2021 15:20 GMT
#34
That was some good PvP!
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 03 2021 15:29 GMT
#35
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place


Am I understanding that Trap is thinking about skipping Katowice?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 03 2021 15:30 GMT
#36
On December 04 2021 00:29 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2021 23:44 deacon.frost wrote:
But if he's not going to IEM Protoss is screwed. Although Zest is still going? The last time he got there 2nd place


Am I understanding that Trap is thinking about skipping Katowice?


he just said it's unclear if he can go. seems like a situation like classic in 2019?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 15:38 GMT
#37
Trap said that he doesn't know if he will be allowed to go but he thinks it's more likely that he will end up going.
Rogue is two months older than Trap tho, if we go by age he could be in danger as well.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 03 2021 15:41 GMT
#38
Kudos to Maxpax for making the game look close.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12883 Posts
December 03 2021 15:41 GMT
#39
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name
WriterMaru
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 15:44 GMT
#40
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote:
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name

Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 15:45 GMT
#41
Steadfast is a huge MaxPax fan; considering how good Max is in PvP, however, this series could easily go either way.
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
December 03 2021 15:48 GMT
#42
Especially considering Trap is not in form at the moment.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 15:51:22
December 03 2021 15:50 GMT
#43
I don't think it's outlandish at all to think MaxPax is the #1 PvP player in terms of raw ability. What I'm more skeptical about is his big game chops (very little major tournament success so far).
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#44
YISS, Reynor lost.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States445 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#45
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 16:19 GMT
#46
Reynor is washed?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:23 GMT
#47
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 16:27:02
December 03 2021 16:26 GMT
#48
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it!
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States704 Posts
December 03 2021 16:26 GMT
#49
On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote:
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name

Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction.


Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor).

Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:30 GMT
#50
On December 04 2021 01:26 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


It can't be. Serral will win, Xain0n believes it!


Such a low effort comment.
Serral winning wouldn't make non korean performance look especially better; foreigners are performing worse at this event than at NEXT or the previous tournaments we had in the last weeks but "struggling" seems a little excessive when Spirit 2-0s Cure.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States445 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 16:32:18
December 03 2021 16:31 GMT
#51
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.



6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment.

Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
December 03 2021 16:36 GMT
#52
On December 04 2021 01:31 Moonerz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote:
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.



6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment.

Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see.


I think Elazer and Lambo definitely have potential to make deepish runs, though Elazer needs Zoun to beat Byun. Otherwise yeah, Serral is the only foreigner who looks like he'll do well (Maru losing also gave him a very nice bracket, nothing's certain but he has a clear path to winners final.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
153 Posts
December 03 2021 16:38 GMT
#53
damnit bunny beat maru, wanted to see maru vs serral again
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 03 2021 16:39 GMT
#54
Showtime and dying to mutas, happens way too often
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 16:41 GMT
#55
Rogue just does what Rogue does best, smashing.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:42 GMT
#56
On December 04 2021 01:26 ZombieGrub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 04 2021 00:41 Poopi wrote:
I was shocked every caster voted for MaxPax. I am glad Trap put some respect on his name

Considering the bias from Rotti during the casting and cheering for Maxpax it's probably more fanboyism than prediction.


Rotti did admit that he was a fanboy but I don't think the MaxPax prediction is that crazy. It's easy to look at 4 MaxPax predictions as meaning we viewed it collectively as a sure thing, but it is individual guesses that varied from "just maybe" to "pretty convinced". Zoun looked clueless against MaxPax, Trap admitted being scared of facing MaxPax when we interviewed him, and MaxPax has more experience against Korean Protosses than Trap has experience against MaxPax (although obviously their inexperience against each other is also a factor).

Mostly getting it off my chest because I was surprised at how much Rotti also called the casters out for it

Well, nothing wrong about fanboying as long as it's not against Maru or herO/Clasic

I would expect at least one of you go for Trap. I get why you voted for Maxpax, he's good, reallygood, but no one for Trap?
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 16:52 GMT
#57
Rogue seems to be in top shape this week.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 03 2021 16:52 GMT
#58
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 16:59 GMT
#59
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote:
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.

Part of the issue is that yo uhave to hardcounter mutalisk, before HotS regen nonsense you could have defended with blink stalkers and/or stormuuu.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 03 2021 16:59 GMT
#60
On December 04 2021 01:52 darklycid wrote:
Seriously everyone complains about skytoss being easy or w/e but can we actually recognize how fragile ground toss is, like no wonder toss likes to go 2sg where you dont just randomly die to mutas or fake mutas etc.

The 1-1 Roach Ravager timing from Zerg has always been fearsome if you dont have enough defense at home. Even if Showtime went for double Stargate, he would have still die to a Queen Walk with Roach/Ravager support.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-03 17:03:25
December 03 2021 17:03 GMT
#61
Hey look Rogue vs Dark again
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
December 03 2021 17:04 GMT
#62
Rogue and Dark just can't seem to get rid of each other LMAO
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
December 03 2021 17:05 GMT
#63
what an insane bracket ! And yeah Rogue vs Dark again, color me not surprised
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 03 2021 17:07 GMT
#64
No complaints with Rogue vs Dark considering the bizarrely fun games they play
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 03 2021 17:08 GMT
#65
On December 04 2021 01:36 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2021 01:31 Moonerz wrote:
On December 04 2021 01:23 Xain0n wrote:
On December 04 2021 01:19 Moonerz wrote:
Wow foreigners really struggling in TSL so far


Not sure if I can facepalm strong enough after that statement; they aren't doing great but they aren't "struggling", for sure Clem and Reynor underperformed terribly.
Reynor yesterday threw a game he shouldn't have against Dark but at least the series was entertaining, this one against Ragnarok was pretty atrocious.



6/8 in the upper bracket are likely to be KR players. Serral/Special is foreigner vs foreigner. Heromarine vs Spirit is as well. I dont see how that isn't struggling. Thats not to say none of the foreigners in the lower bracket can make a run but based on what we've seen so far I think struggling is a fair assessment.

Edit 6/8 likely because Rogue probably beats Showtime -- but we'll have to see.


I think Elazer and Lambo definitely have potential to make deepish runs, though Elazer needs Zoun to beat Byun. Otherwise yeah, Serral is the only foreigner who looks like he'll do well (Maru losing also gave him a very nice bracket, nothing's certain but he has a clear path to winners final.)


It's 10-4 in series which is bad but not terrible, on average you will have more often tournaments where koreans are ahead or, in a given tournament, you should expect koreans to edge out non koreans in the overall count.
In the post Serral world the opposite happens fairly often but, on average, koreans have the advantage(they still have more top tier players).
To make a comparison, it was 9-6 in favor of foreigners at KoB, 12-7 for koreans at the last DH Masters just this month.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
December 03 2021 17:20 GMT
#66
That game 2 of Trap vs MaxPax was the most entertaining PvP I ever watched! Hope to see more of those battling it out in the future
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2021 17:20 GMT
#67
Serral already losing 2 tumors in this game, he's obviously in a big slump
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 03 2021 17:55 GMT
#68
On December 04 2021 02:07 Waxangel wrote:
No complaints with Rogue vs Dark considering the bizarrely fun games they play

I will complain that they're once again on the same side of the bracket - never on opposite sides
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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
December 03 2021 18:17 GMT
#69
On the one hand, having Rogue and Dark on opposite sides of brackets makes a ZvZ finals pretty likely.
On the other hand, that ZvZ would be Rogue vs Dark.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25334 Posts
December 03 2021 18:35 GMT
#70
On December 04 2021 02:20 Harris1st wrote:
That game 2 of Trap vs MaxPax was the most entertaining PvP I ever watched! Hope to see more of those battling it out in the future

Saw a few on Twitter saying this too, be there VoDs?
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
December 03 2021 20:23 GMT
#71
Rogue/Dark playing so early in every event is really a travesty. It's especially sad here because the loser will face the winner of the LB 4 pack Maru is in. Several of Korea's best representatives will be eliminated by each other.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 13:25 GMT
#72
Ground toss doesn't convince me .
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 13:43 GMT
#73
At least it's more fun to watch than 2sg void
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
December 04 2021 14:03 GMT
#74
what is a normal amount of viewership for sc2 these days?
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Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 14:47:23
December 04 2021 14:44 GMT
#75
Who is this Spirit guy. All upsets with him! Did he come out of nowhere or have I not been paying attention?

Edit: oh, okay, it is Soul. Obviously good then, but not perhaps the New Hope.
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SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
December 04 2021 14:46 GMT
#76
6k-7k viewers seems very low for such a tournament. Timezone issues or something else?

I watched Maru vs Cure 3rd game, I'm surprised how Maru came back
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 15:03 GMT
#77
Playing vs herO must be the must frustrating thing ever :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 04 2021 15:05 GMT
#78
What would win? Optimal Zerg play or random shit?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:09:38
December 04 2021 15:06 GMT
#79
God I missed herO.
What complete nonsense
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:17:13
December 04 2021 15:15 GMT
#80
What a time to be alive for PvZ... thanks blizzard.

And pros pretend this is normal in the interviews, that's the best in it
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 04 2021 15:16 GMT
#81
Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
December 04 2021 15:17 GMT
#82
Lambo must be absolutely tilting right now
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 04 2021 15:18 GMT
#83
On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened?

Why would you do that though?
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 04 2021 15:19 GMT
#84
On December 04 2021 23:46 SC-Shield wrote:
6k-7k viewers seems very low for such a tournament. Timezone issues or something else?

I watched Maru vs Cure 3rd game, I'm surprised how Maru came back

Did you just see this PvZ? You wanna look at this shit? Queenwalk vs airtoss is just so ... bad to watch. And PvZ is quite frequent.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:23:57
December 04 2021 15:22 GMT
#85
On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened?

Why would you do that though?


Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it.

Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 04 2021 15:25 GMT
#86
On December 05 2021 00:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened?

Why would you do that though?


Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it.

Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond

Lambo won with the queen walk, he didn't have to do anything besides to not move command the whole army on a loop through the whole map.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 04 2021 15:26 GMT
#87
As per usual herO is a mad genius
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 04 2021 15:28 GMT
#88
On December 05 2021 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On December 05 2021 00:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 05 2021 00:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Stephano figured out how to spread creep in your own main base in 2012, what happened?

Why would you do that though?


Because the time it takes you to do that is shorter than the time it takes queens to walk from not the main to the main. So if they're going to do that even once it immediately is worth it.

Plus 99% of maps have third bases below the main so if you spread it right the tumor that's in the main eventually starts to spread for your third and beyond

Lambo won with the queen walk, he didn't have to do anything besides to not move command the whole army on a loop through the whole map.


Sure but you should be connecting your bases far far before that point
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 04 2021 15:29 GMT
#89
Big brain player Lambo baffled by the dude that just masses oracle like a chad
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 15:29 GMT
#90
They never expect the 2017 strats of mass oracle and phoenix adept.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:31:08
December 04 2021 15:30 GMT
#91
Kind of weird masssing with oracles, but herO still can win.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 04 2021 15:33 GMT
#92
On December 05 2021 00:30 swarminfestor wrote:
Kind of weird masssing with oracles, but herO still can win.

It was just a smart read. Oracles have way better DPS against queen walks than void rays do.
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
December 04 2021 15:35 GMT
#93
Are we seeing the birth of a new meta in PvZ with oracles??
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:36:46
December 04 2021 15:36 GMT
#94
On December 05 2021 00:35 buzz_bender wrote:
Are we seeing the birth of a new meta in PvZ with oracles??

The next time they will scout Oracles and delay the walk to have more queens. But it will still result in the queen walk most probably, bleh. But I hope to be wrong
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 04 2021 15:39 GMT
#95
On December 05 2021 00:35 buzz_bender wrote:
Are we seeing the birth of a new meta in PvZ with oracles??


It's the Circle of Has

It cheeses us all~
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 04 2021 15:40 GMT
#96
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 15:41 GMT
#97
I don't think the oracle thing will become meta, zergs just need to scout it and then you invested alot into units that just delay your other stuff and you die vs a later timing.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 15:45:54
December 04 2021 15:44 GMT
#98
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...

To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good.

Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 04 2021 15:47 GMT
#99
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...

To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good.

Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie

I mean the casters probably just don't have the biggest insight into the current lvl of koreans returness, esp. herO who didnt do a bigger splash yet and Lambo is pretty good in zvp and has beaten e.g. trap recently so i'd have favored lambo too here.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33389 Posts
December 04 2021 15:48 GMT
#100
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...

To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good.

Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie


? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25334 Posts
December 04 2021 15:56 GMT
#101
On December 05 2021 00:48 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...

To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good.

Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie


? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now.

I think this is a correct read, but equally herO isn’t any kind of huge underdog here
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 16:07:41
December 04 2021 16:04 GMT
#102
On December 05 2021 00:48 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 00:44 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 05 2021 00:40 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Super weird seeing the casters surprised and calling an upset almost every time non Maru/Rogie/Dark Korean beats a foreigner.

Considering the only foreigner who can consistently beat Koreans is Serral...

To me it seems like casters are simply foreign biased with few Korean exceptions. I can understand the Maxpax v Trap, but Lambo v herO? If herO is in a bad shape it should have been equal, Lambo isn't that good.

Edit> also it appears herO is kinda getting in shape while menacing the ladder. Well, c'est la vie


? Lambo's best MU is ZvP and he has high profile wins against top-tier Korean Protoss players. You'd have to be quite optimistic on herO's return to his old level to consider him an outright favorite right now.

I am not consideirng him a favorite, where did I write it? If you're not with me, then you're my enemy?

I wrote it should have been equal. It was equal. Nobody was IMO a clear favorite. So it wasn't an upset or a big surprise Nothing wrong in that IMO.

edit> TBF I was expecting Lambo to win 2:1, so maybe a slight favorite for him, but still, not an upset IMO. But what do I know, I watch SC2 once in a blue moon, because PvZ is just so bad to watch.
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Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
December 04 2021 16:07 GMT
#103
Spirit gonna win this tournament
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 04 2021 16:47 GMT
#104
Uhm, why does Maru have to play the loser of Dark/Rogue and Reynor Solar/HM? Can't be more obviously rigged than that really...

User was warned for this post.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-04 16:54:51
December 04 2021 16:53 GMT
#105
On December 05 2021 01:47 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Uhm, why does Maru have to play the loser of Dark/Rogue and Reynor Solar/HM? Can't be more obviously rigged than that really...


Huh? Are you serious...?

You think the TSL admin constructed their bracket so that Reynor would have a slightly better match up after losing to Ragnarok 5 matches deep into the bracket?
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
December 04 2021 16:53 GMT
#106
On December 05 2021 01:47 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Uhm, why does Maru have to play the loser of Dark/Rogue and Reynor Solar/HM? Can't be more obviously rigged than that really...

Because that is how double elimination brackets work? :D
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 04 2021 16:55 GMT
#107
Bio > Mech, confirmed!
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 04 2021 17:01 GMT
#108
On December 05 2021 01:55 swarminfestor wrote:
Bio > Mech, confirmed!

This match and the last thousand confirm it
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 04 2021 17:05 GMT
#109
On December 05 2021 02:01 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 01:55 swarminfestor wrote:
Bio > Mech, confirmed!

This match and the last thousand confirm it

Maybe it's the user failing the composition and not the other way round
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 04 2021 17:09 GMT
#110
On December 05 2021 02:05 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 02:01 Durnuu wrote:
On December 05 2021 01:55 swarminfestor wrote:
Bio > Mech, confirmed!

This match and the last thousand confirm it

Maybe it's the user failing the composition and not the other way round

That's true in part, but there is a reason he is the only one going mech in the first place
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25334 Posts
December 04 2021 17:22 GMT
#111
I like that battle report UI tab, where is that from?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 04 2021 17:36 GMT
#112
On December 05 2021 02:22 WombaT wrote:
I like that battle report UI tab, where is that from?


I think it's been added to Gameheart but I could be wrong
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jomacool
Profile Joined December 2021
1 Post
December 05 2021 04:49 GMT
#113
Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded?
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 05 2021 05:32 GMT
#114
On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote:
Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded?

Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
December 05 2021 08:07 GMT
#115
very sad by Zoun results, I though he will be the next Zest, but lately his performance has been not on par.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 05 2021 12:21 GMT
#116
On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote:
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On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote:
Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded?

Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late.


Yes, it's a very nice attention, they also didn't make Scarlett and Special play at the start of the day.

It's always fun to see admin and organisers go the extra step
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 05 2021 12:47 GMT
#117
On December 05 2021 21:21 Nakajin wrote:
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On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote:
On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote:
Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded?

Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late.


Yes, it's a very nice attention, they also didn't make Scarlett and Special play at the start of the day.

It's always fun to see admin and organisers go the extra step

Sounds more like basic decency to me tbh
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 12:56:12
December 05 2021 12:54 GMT
#118
Bunny. please prepare aggresively and smart when fight against Serral.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 05 2021 13:06 GMT
#119
Gotta say Serral and trap got pretty nice brackets to the semifinal, with maru and reynor losing in the round before they both got the easier quarter opponent.
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States704 Posts
December 05 2021 13:19 GMT
#120
On December 05 2021 14:32 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 13:49 jomacool wrote:
Anyone knows if some of the matches here were prerecorded?

Yes, probably Byun vs Zoun match were cast from replay. From how I understand, they tend to have KR vs KR matches early, or from replay, so that players dont have to stay up late.


Byun was moving and wasn't sure he could get a setup ready in time.
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
December 05 2021 13:47 GMT
#121
Solar has been so good lately
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 05 2021 13:56 GMT
#122
On December 05 2021 22:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Solar has been so good lately

He's setting up for some sort of massive disappointment. I can almost taste it.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
December 05 2021 14:10 GMT
#123
On December 05 2021 22:56 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 22:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Solar has been so good lately

He's setting up for some sort of massive disappointment. I can almost taste it.


The bomber law is strong within this man
mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 14:43:55
December 05 2021 14:43 GMT
#124
On December 05 2021 22:47 Die4Ever wrote:
Solar has been so good lately


solar is always good in the early stages of a tournament. now i expect him to lose to dark/rogue and in the loser bracket, finishing top6 which isn't bad anyways
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 05 2021 14:44 GMT
#125
Rogue believing in nestea.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 05 2021 14:46 GMT
#126
Lmao that resources lost, is this turtle mech?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
December 05 2021 14:48 GMT
#127
On December 05 2021 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Lmao that resources lost, is this turtle mech?

he has the mech skin, definitely counts
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 05 2021 14:50 GMT
#128
On December 05 2021 23:48 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2021 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Lmao that resources lost, is this turtle mech?

he has the mech skin, definitely counts

He also has the same result as a mech player would
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 05 2021 15:11 GMT
#129
How is it possible Marines can evade static trap?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 15:17:18
December 05 2021 15:16 GMT
#130
Lulz, 3 zergs and 1 protoss in semis, i wonder if the LB will be 3 T 1 Z when it reaches similar stage xD (RO4)

Ah, damn, it can't be. It has to be 1 Z and 1 Z/P. Damn RIP my dreams
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 05 2021 15:32 GMT
#131
SG is strong but when you're not 100% on point so easy to lose with
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
December 05 2021 15:34 GMT
#132
We dont have any more protoss player left beside herO and Trap.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3397 Posts
December 05 2021 15:38 GMT
#133
why didnt Showtime tag the Marines move out from Byun? He got blindsided and could not put down the proper Force Field
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 05 2021 15:39 GMT
#134
On December 06 2021 00:38 tigera6 wrote:
why didnt Showtime tag the Marines move out from Byun? He got blindsided and could not put down the proper Force Field

He's probably asking himself the same questions xD
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 05 2021 15:44 GMT
#135
On December 06 2021 00:34 swarminfestor wrote:
We dont have any more protoss player left beside herO and Trap.

We have a very good chance that the last 8 players (LR 5) will be 1 T, 1 P and 6 Zergs.

Dark for sure can beat both Special and Maru, Ragnarok beating both herO and Spirit is possible and Heromarine can lose to Reynor, not sure about Scarlett.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
December 05 2021 16:10 GMT
#136
At least there are so many zergs, as usual, that we can count on them eliminating each other. Makes a lopsides bracket less lopsided.
Clément 화이팅
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
December 05 2021 17:29 GMT
#137
great observing, sidestepping all the debris from the dead vikings
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3510 Posts
December 05 2021 17:32 GMT
#138
Not rebuilding vikings wasn't the best call.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-05 18:11:17
December 05 2021 18:08 GMT
#139
Maru has to face possibly triple Zerg players coming into the final: Dark, Reynor (if Heromarine lose) and Serral (if Trap win). Let hope Trap beat Serral. He has a whole week to prepare.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 06 2021 09:35 GMT
#140
On December 06 2021 03:08 swarminfestor wrote:
Maru has to face possibly triple Zerg players coming into the final: Dark, Reynor (if Heromarine lose) and Serral (if Trap win). Let hope Trap beat Serral. He has a whole week to prepare.


Serral is almost unbeatable in ZvP. Trap is probably the only protoss right now who has a chance of beating him but he needs to show top form which hasnt been the case for some time now. Lets hope Traps preparation is good indeed
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6929 Posts
December 06 2021 12:04 GMT
#141
On December 06 2021 03:08 swarminfestor wrote:
Maru has to face possibly triple Zerg players coming into the final: Dark, Reynor (if Heromarine lose) and Serral (if Trap win). Let hope Trap beat Serral. He has a whole week to prepare.


The most important thing is that we get another Rogue vs Dark somewhere in the bracket. The last one was disappointing so I want a redo
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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