EPTOn November 14 2021 01:05 Sif_ wrote:
I dont know what other people think, but to me the goat must have played/won GSLs
I dont know what other people think, but to me the goat must have played/won GSLs
and won stuff before 2018
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:06 geokilla wrote: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1202321378?t=03h09m10s Winner's interview of Group C thx | ||
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Durnuu
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Starcraft didn't exist before 2018 silly lol | ||
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HeroSandro
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:15 HeroSandro wrote: If the criteria for being the best is GSL, then a foreigner can never be th GOAT, as there is alway a korean who has won more of them. Useless conversation, if you only value GSL. Just count who has won most GSL titles. There is foreigner bias, but also korean elitism. yeah ultimately it's not a very interesting debate bc the axioms of the two sides are so different. If your axiom is Korea > all GSL > all then you're never going to agree to a foreign GOAT. Or if your axiom is WCS/ESL events >all or even "only head-to-head fights in online cups and weekender tournaments count" then it's a very different conversation. The basic problem is just how you compare scenes that are separated by different tournaments and by lag/time zones, weekenders vs prep tournaments, etc. "GOAT" status is a lot more about legendary status anyway. Serral will always be a legend in foreign SC as the guy who broke the foreigner barrier & dominated the foreigner scene. But since region lock it's been impossible for one player to dominate EVERYTHING in both scenes. So it becomes a scene vs scene battle. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:15 HeroSandro wrote: If the criteria for being the best is GSL, then a foreigner can never be th GOAT, as there is alway a korean who has won more of them. Useless conversation, if you only value GSL. Just count who has won most GSL titles. There is foreigner bias, but also korean elitism. Except foreigners can and have already competed in the GSL | ||
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Captain Peabody
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[PkF] Wire
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Poopi
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:15 HeroSandro wrote: If the criteria for being the best is GSL, then a foreigner can never be th GOAT, as there is alway a korean who has won more of them. Useless conversation, if you only value GSL. Just count who has won most GSL titles. There is foreigner bias, but also korean elitism. Right now, there's a WCS goat and Korean goat imo. There's no true goat in 2020 and 2021 due to ping. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:15 HeroSandro wrote: If the criteria for being the best is GSL, then a foreigner can never be th GOAT, as there is alway a korean who has won more of them. Useless conversation, if you only value GSL. Just count who has won most GSL titles. There is foreigner bias, but also korean elitism. Yes, if foreigners never compete consistently in the highest tier then they'll never have a goat. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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HeroSandro
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On November 14 2021 01:28 Charoisaur wrote: Except foreigners can and have already competed in the GSL Just move to Korea. If you only count GSL, that's fine. Captain Peabody summed up the argument really well in my opinion. | ||
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HeroSandro
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On November 14 2021 01:34 Sif_ wrote: Yes, if foreigners never compete consistently in the highest tier then they'll never have a goat. World championships are only for foreigners?  | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:34 Sif_ wrote: Yes, if foreigners never compete consistently in the highest tier then they'll never have a goat. Winning GSL is the only thing that matters, unless we're talking about the performance of Protoss, in which case winning GSL is pretty trivial. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2450 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:35 HeroSandro wrote: World championships are only for foreigners? their performance at World championships surely don't qualify them as GOAT. Serral has 1, Rogue 3 | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2450 Posts
On November 14 2021 01:37 Charoisaur wrote: their performance at World championships surely don't qualify them as GOAT. Serral has 1, Rogue 3 This doesn't count, they said. Serral was consistent while Rogue was so inconsistent. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Captain Peabody
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