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[DHM 2021] Summer: Season Finals - Playoffs - Page 13

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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:19:42
July 04 2021 16:19 GMT
#241
On July 05 2021 01:19 parksonsc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:14 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:09 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.


No only vs Clem who Reynor plays scared against for reasons I still do not understand.

He's really strong against anyone else.


His games against Dream yesterday were bit sloppy in my opinion especially Game 1 where his armies got bludgeoned uncharacteristically. That weakness can hurt Reynor in final match with Maru if Reynor didn't figure out yet.


Afraid I didn't see those games. Dream is really good in TvZ. That's HIS strongest match up from what I've seen of him, although I haven't seen nearly as much of Dream as I have of other Terrans.


Dream's TvZ is his best MU, yes. That said, him losing to DRG doesn't qualify his TvZ as "really good" though.


There is no shame whatsoever in losing to DRG.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:20:48
July 04 2021 16:20 GMT
#242
On July 05 2021 01:10 Pandain wrote:
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On July 05 2021 01:01 Nakajin wrote:
So after that, does someone know if gold base vs 12 pool if good for the defender?
You sacrifice the hatch but you get a natural not quite later than the other guy with more drone, so maybe it's ok?

Reynor called it a blind counter but honestly rogue looked in a MUCH better position shortly after. Because he has speed and controls map and takes WAY earlier third (and gold to boot)


Ya may you should take your own gold instead of the natural as Reynor.

Dunno, it felt like he went away to kill Rogue gold but Rogue just took his natural instead and it was to late for Reynor to apply any pressure after that and Rogue natural was only slightly faster with worst tech and less drone and no real way to prevent Rogue from retaking his gold... Maybe if he had follwed it up with a bane bust Rogue was dead because if he retook the gold?

Idk, where's Bly when you need him?
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:27:35
July 04 2021 16:23 GMT
#243
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death
Faker is the GOAT!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:26 GMT
#244
On July 05 2021 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:10 Pandain wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:01 Nakajin wrote:
So after that, does someone know if gold base vs 12 pool if good for the defender?
You sacrifice the hatch but you get a natural not quite later than the other guy with more drone, so maybe it's ok?

Reynor called it a blind counter but honestly rogue looked in a MUCH better position shortly after. Because he has speed and controls map and takes WAY earlier third (and gold to boot)


Ya may you should take your own gold instead of the natural as Reynor.

Dunno, it felt like he went away to kill Rogue gold but Rogue just took his natural instead and it was to late for Reynor to apply any pressure after that and Rogue natural was only slightly faster with worst tech and less drone and no real way to prevent Rogue from retaking his gold... Maybe if he had follwed it up with a bane bust Rogue was dead because if he retook the gold?

Idk, where's Bly when you need him?


No way you can take the gold though considering how slow Reynor's speed was. Reynor barely held with queen walls at his own natural, no way he can hold both gold and natural.

I think Reynor was just significantly behind going into the early mid-game but managed to (1) kill a bunch of Rogue's lings with his bane; (2) killed a bunch of drones at Rogue's gold, and therefore (3) was able to stop Rogue's sort-of allin push and win the game.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
July 04 2021 16:28 GMT
#245
On July 05 2021 01:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death

Didn't need a Maru vs Reynor finals to know that
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:29:03
July 04 2021 16:28 GMT
#246
On July 05 2021 01:28 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death

Didn't need a Maru vs Reynor finals to know that

true but it's always nice that the finalists reinforce this claim
Faker is the GOAT!
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:31:18
July 04 2021 16:29 GMT
#247
On July 05 2021 01:26 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:20 Nakajin wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:10 Pandain wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:01 Nakajin wrote:
So after that, does someone know if gold base vs 12 pool if good for the defender?
You sacrifice the hatch but you get a natural not quite later than the other guy with more drone, so maybe it's ok?

Reynor called it a blind counter but honestly rogue looked in a MUCH better position shortly after. Because he has speed and controls map and takes WAY earlier third (and gold to boot)


Ya may you should take your own gold instead of the natural as Reynor.

Dunno, it felt like he went away to kill Rogue gold but Rogue just took his natural instead and it was to late for Reynor to apply any pressure after that and Rogue natural was only slightly faster with worst tech and less drone and no real way to prevent Rogue from retaking his gold... Maybe if he had follwed it up with a bane bust Rogue was dead because if he retook the gold?

Idk, where's Bly when you need him?


No way you can take the gold though considering how slow Reynor's speed was. Reynor barely held with queen walls at his own natural, no way he can hold both gold and natural.

I think Reynor was just significantly behind going into the early mid-game but managed to (1) kill a bunch of Rogue's lings with his bane; (2) killed a bunch of drones at Rogue's gold, and therefore (3) was able to stop Rogue's sort-of allin push and win the game.


Hum yeah good point, IDK sacrificing a gold vs a twelve pool being good just dosen't seems right to me, but maybe it is.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:31 GMT
#248
On July 05 2021 01:28 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death

Didn't need a Maru vs Reynor finals to know that


To be honest, Zest might have been the third best player here. Because he legit was playing very well against both Maru and Reynor (unlike Trap who sort of collapsed). Shame he had to get knocked out.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:33 GMT
#249
I feel like ZG has been casting almost every game. Is that just me?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:33 GMT
#250
On July 05 2021 01:33 Pandain wrote:
I feel like ZG has been casting almost every game. Is that just me?


She's the best caster they have there IMO. So I say let her.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
July 04 2021 16:34 GMT
#251
On July 05 2021 01:31 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:28 Durnuu wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death

Didn't need a Maru vs Reynor finals to know that


To be honest, Zest might have been the third best player here. Because he legit was playing very well against both Maru and Reynor (unlike Trap who sort of collapsed). Shame he had to get knocked out.


Probe just didn't suit the Group of Death dilemma.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:35:23
July 04 2021 16:35 GMT
#252
On July 05 2021 01:33 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:33 Pandain wrote:
I feel like ZG has been casting almost every game. Is that just me?


She's the best caster they have there IMO. So I say let her.

alongside her expertise and familiarity with the Terran race helps her dissect what Maru may do
Faker is the GOAT!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:36 GMT
#253
On July 05 2021 01:31 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:28 Durnuu wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:23 AzAlexZ wrote:
Maru 4-2 is my prediction
also I guess this makes group B was the group of Death

Didn't need a Maru vs Reynor finals to know that


To be honest, Zest might have been the third best player here. Because he legit was playing very well against both Maru and Reynor (unlike Trap who sort of collapsed). Shame he had to get knocked out.


This happens every tournament that involves seeds from the weaker regions. We end up with insanely lopsided groups. Zest just happened to be the victim of that this year. I'd say Zest would be a good favorite in any of the other groups other than the one he was in.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:40 GMT
#254
It makes my little Terran heart so happy to see Hellion Banshee continue to get such good value in this match up. IMMvp's legacy lives on.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 04 2021 16:41 GMT
#255
Maru with some excellent picks with the banshee, instead of focusing on workers he kills queens which is equally as damaging
Faker is the GOAT!
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 04 2021 16:41 GMT
#256
On July 05 2021 01:40 Vindicare605 wrote:
It makes my little Terran heart so happy to see Hellion Banshee continue to get such good value in this match up. IMMvp's legacy lives on.

isn't Maru the original 'successor' to MarineKing and Mvp
Faker is the GOAT!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33494 Posts
July 04 2021 16:43 GMT
#257
Oh no, Maru is behind, so he's immediately going to transition into playing a 40 minute game :[
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
July 04 2021 16:43 GMT
#258
What is Maru doing? He's just not reacting to anything
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
July 04 2021 16:43 GMT
#259
Yeah as expected Maru is outclassed here.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 04 2021 16:44 GMT
#260
On July 05 2021 01:43 youaremysin wrote:
Yeah as expected Maru is outclassed here.

nope
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