• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:24
CET 23:24
KST 07:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced13[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Information Request Regarding Chinese Ladder SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
FlaSh's Valkyrie Copium BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Which season is the best in ASL?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2402 users

[DHM 2021] Summer: Season Finals - Playoffs - Page 12

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 22 Next All
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10094 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 15:58:34
July 04 2021 15:58 GMT
#221
On July 05 2021 00:57 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 00:56 parksonsc wrote:
what did Rogue say? "shiba"?

wait what? When?

when reynors bane killed like 15 lings in the gold
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 15:58 GMT
#222
On July 05 2021 00:57 tigera6 wrote:
Bane hit was the main difference, not sure why Rogue keep hitting the morphing Bane knowing his chance to take it down on time is slim.


People going to focus on the bane that hit the lings, but if Reynor didn't get two banes into the gold and take down ~8 drones, Rogue would have maintained a heavy economy lead the whole game and won regardless.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:01 GMT
#223
So after that, does someone know if gold base vs 12 pool if good for the defender?
You sacrifice the hatch but you get a natural not quite later than the other guy with more drone, so maybe it's ok?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:03 GMT
#224
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:04 GMT
#225
On July 05 2021 00:57 sneakyfox wrote:
Rogue just protecting his Bo7 stat


This tournament is online so that wouldn't have mattered anyway. Rogue is undefeated in OFFLINE best of 7's.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 04 2021 16:06 GMT
#226
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


How many of his perfect BO7 record was against Zerg? Can't recall any.
gg no re thx
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 04 2021 16:07 GMT
#227
On July 05 2021 01:06 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


How many of his perfect BO7 record was against Zerg? Can't recall any.


Two as far as I remember: 4-2 against soO and 4-0 against DRG.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:07 GMT
#228
On July 05 2021 01:06 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


How many of his perfect BO7 record was against Zerg? Can't recall any.


soO at Blizzcon
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3443 Posts
July 04 2021 16:08 GMT
#229
On July 05 2021 01:06 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


How many of his perfect BO7 record was against Zerg? Can't recall any.

2017 Blizzcon against Soo, but thats the only one, I believe.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
July 04 2021 16:09 GMT
#230
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 04 2021 16:09 GMT
#231
On July 05 2021 01:07 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:06 RKC wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


How many of his perfect BO7 record was against Zerg? Can't recall any.


soO at Blizzcon


Championship wins against Kongs don't count

But seriously, sad for soO
gg no re thx
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:10 GMT
#232
On July 05 2021 01:01 Nakajin wrote:
So after that, does someone know if gold base vs 12 pool if good for the defender?
You sacrifice the hatch but you get a natural not quite later than the other guy with more drone, so maybe it's ok?

Reynor called it a blind counter but honestly rogue looked in a MUCH better position shortly after. Because he has speed and controls map and takes WAY earlier third (and gold to boot)
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:10 GMT
#233
On July 05 2021 01:09 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.


No only vs Clem who Reynor plays scared against for reasons I still do not understand.

He's really strong against anyone else.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:16:04
July 04 2021 16:10 GMT
#234
On July 05 2021 00:58 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 00:57 AzAlexZ wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:56 parksonsc wrote:
what did Rogue say? "shiba"?

wait what? When?

when reynors bane killed like 15 lings in the gold


Besides, the upgraded advantage gives Reynor a mile ahead even with lesser supply.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
July 04 2021 16:12 GMT
#235
Hope to see a good final but I think Reynor will 4-1, 4-2 if we are lucky
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-04 16:15:16
July 04 2021 16:14 GMT
#236
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


No idea what's the score is in aligulac but in his final lost against Trap, Reynor was playing extremely the first 5 maps, and what a throw on jaga, I feel like he can be a bit more shaky in zvt, Clem has his number and Maru should be the slight favorite imo
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
July 04 2021 16:14 GMT
#237
On July 05 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:09 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.


No only vs Clem who Reynor plays scared against for reasons I still do not understand.

He's really strong against anyone else.


His games against Dream yesterday were bit sloppy in my opinion especially Game 1 where his armies got bludgeoned uncharacteristically. That weakness can hurt Reynor in final match with Maru if Reynor didn't figure out yet.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16109 Posts
July 04 2021 16:17 GMT
#238
On July 05 2021 01:14 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:09 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.


No only vs Clem who Reynor plays scared against for reasons I still do not understand.

He's really strong against anyone else.


His games against Dream yesterday were bit sloppy in my opinion especially Game 1 where his armies got bludgeoned uncharacteristically. That weakness can hurt Reynor in final match with Maru if Reynor didn't figure out yet.


Afraid I didn't see those games. Dream is really good in TvZ. That's HIS strongest match up from what I've seen of him, although I haven't seen nearly as much of Dream as I have of other Terrans.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 04 2021 16:18 GMT
#239
I think this could be a really good series but Reynor is the one who is going to have to really show up. Otherwise, I could see this being a 4-2 or 4-1 for Maru.
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
July 04 2021 16:19 GMT
#240
On July 05 2021 01:17 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2021 01:14 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:09 swarminfestor wrote:
On July 05 2021 01:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 05 2021 00:47 swarminfestor wrote:
Ping disadvantage doesn't seem a problem here. Maybe he just underestimated Reynor, then he didn't micro drones well in the 2nd game before.


Or it could be that Rogue isn't particularly good in ZvZ and Reynor absolutely is.

It's Rogue's weakest match up. Has been for some time. Reynor's weakest appears to be vs Protoss although he's better in that match up than Rogue is vs Zerg imo.


I thought Reynor's weakest matchup is ZvT currently.


No only vs Clem who Reynor plays scared against for reasons I still do not understand.

He's really strong against anyone else.


His games against Dream yesterday were bit sloppy in my opinion especially Game 1 where his armies got bludgeoned uncharacteristically. That weakness can hurt Reynor in final match with Maru if Reynor didn't figure out yet.


Afraid I didn't see those games. Dream is really good in TvZ. That's HIS strongest match up from what I've seen of him, although I haven't seen nearly as much of Dream as I have of other Terrans.


Dream's TvZ is his best MU, yes. That said, him losing to DRG doesn't qualify his TvZ as "really good" though.
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
RO16: Group B
Hawk vs Kyrie
spx vs Cross
ZZZero.O237
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 277
JuggernautJason137
PiGStarcraft53
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4296
Shuttle 564
ZZZero.O 237
Dewaltoss 83
hero 53
Dota 2
syndereN996
Other Games
Grubby7206
ArmadaUGS163
Maynarde17
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3706
BasetradeTV90
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 77
• HeavenSC 49
• davetesta8
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach21
• Pr0nogo 5
• RayReign 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21089
• Ler146
League of Legends
• Doublelift903
Other Games
• imaqtpie1941
• WagamamaTV399
• Shiphtur282
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 36m
Wardi Open
13h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
18h 36m
StarCraft2.fi
18h 36m
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Wardi Open
1d 13h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 18h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-28
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
Light HT
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.