TSL 7 - Championship Sunday!

On June 27 2021 12:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
From the look of the bracket Cure and Zest are likely going to be playing each other in the ESL Open Cup Asia. I wonder how that affects the mentality and mindgames going into this.

Of course they're some of the biggest players of online cups, so maybe that doesn't faze them.

edit: Well Zest ended up losing to Creator, so if we needed any additional confirmation that his PvP wasn't in the best shape (we didn't) there it is.

On June 27 2021 17:02 Jacenoob wrote:


Yeah, at the moment it seems that way. Doesn't have to be forever though. Serral just seems a bit off his game. He is still insanely good, but he makes so many uncharacteristic mistakes. Like when against Cure he just randomly lost 2 Queens to one Liberator. He used to be almost flawless but recently his play is often very "unclean", especially early on.

On June 27 2021 20:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Cure beating Special and Clem and Serral is an impressive series of knocking down/out foreigners in this tournament. Given his 0-4 against Reynor yesterday, I can't see him beating Reynor today if they meet up again, but it would certainly complete his apparent foreigner-killer role.

On June 27 2021 22:11 Morbidius wrote:
Trap already 4-0ed Reynor to get a winner's interview?

On June 27 2021 22:25 aringadingding wrote:
I must say Reynor has got a huge advantage with the time. He start at midday and will end somtimes in the evening. His brain will be very much awake and alert all the time. While the koreans will undoubtedly will make more mistakes and be a bit slower having to play late evening/ night.... too bad.

I know some like to play during the night, but the brain will NOT function the same during the night as in the day.

On June 27 2021 23:16 Elentos wrote:
Pretty hideous micro from Trap tbh

On June 27 2021 23:35 AzAlexZ wrote:
wait is Trap ahead after the hive kill?

On June 27 2021 23:40 Elentos wrote:
Shoutout to the fact that Reynor wouldn't be able to do anything if Trap killed the overseers because Reynor lost the hive and didn't remake the lair for minutes.

On June 27 2021 23:38 sneakyfox wrote:
God I hate abduct

On June 27 2021 23:40 Elentos wrote:
Shoutout to the fact that Reynor wouldn't be able to do anything if Trap killed the overseers because Reynor lost the hive and didn't remake the lair for minutes.

On June 27 2021 23:41 Argonauta wrote:




honestly, big surprised he didnt tried to snipe harder the overseers

On June 28 2021 00:00 Morbidius wrote:
Reynor has a bulletproof claim that he's better than Serral at every single matchup right now.

On June 28 2021 00:03 Morbidius wrote:

Yes, I wrote it that way because some people say its a ''ZvZ thing'' or that ''Serral is better against Koreans''.

On June 28 2021 00:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Who has the best chance against Reynor in the finals? I'm guessing Zest, given his win over Serral, rather than Trap or Cure (since Reynor already beat them both)?

Either way, it looks like Reynor is the favorite to win now.

On June 28 2021 00:25 aringadingding wrote:


Not sure, but Reynor will win this easily. The korean will get more tired as time goes on. Making small mistakes. And that is fatal in sc2.

On June 28 2021 00:29 Nakajin wrote:


We should just have the habit of casting replay and we could circumvent the most outrageous occurrence of the problem fairly easily but I understand why organizers don't want that.

On June 28 2021 00:29 Nakajin wrote:


We should just have the habit of casting replay and we could circumvent the most outrageous occurrence of the problem fairly easily but I understand why organizers don't want that.

On June 28 2021 00:39 Die4Ever wrote:
Cure playing like he wants to go to sleep

On June 28 2021 00:39 Die4Ever wrote:
Cure playing like he wants to go to sleep

On June 28 2021 02:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
I made it in time for the grand finals, right? Hard pressed to get up so early on a sunday

On June 28 2021 02:16 Poaktree wrote:
I congratulate Reynor for another excellent decisive victory over protoss at the finals!

On June 28 2021 02:31 tigera6 wrote:
Zest should have gotten a Stargate and making Voidrays after losing the Robo.

On June 28 2021 02:50 swarminfestor wrote:
Zest is just not good at PvP anymore.

On June 28 2021 04:23 Nakajin wrote:


Dunno why he didn't recall, felt like the obvious move

On June 28 2021 04:23 Nakajin wrote:


Dunno why he didn't recall, felt like the obvious move.
I guess Reynor hid the surround very well

On June 28 2021 04:49 parksonsc wrote:
It's almost 5am in Korea now. Not sure why couldn't they move the schedule earlier. I mean it's Sunday so ppl in Euro have no problem warching it from midday?

On June 28 2021 05:03 starkiller123 wrote:
how on earth did Trap win that game? I turned off the stream cause I thought the game was done lmao

On June 28 2021 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


Given that the last map is Beckett becoming Zest might be a very good idea.

On June 28 2021 05:19 lostusername123 wrote:
If Trap loses, it's because he's tired, if he wins it's because he's the best.

On June 28 2021 05:26 Durnuu wrote:
Better hope Reynor doesn't bring an overseer with his push

On June 28 2021 05:25 Durnuu wrote:
Oracle opener to force spores into dark shrine, genius

On June 28 2021 05:41 starkiller123 wrote:
pretty sick day of games

On June 28 2021 05:36 Xain0n wrote:
As I said.
Trap really needs a Code S right now, he's so strong!

"BuT iT's X aM" excuses were not even needed this time but they look ridicolous as always.

On June 28 2021 05:43 Charoisaur wrote:

you of all people shouldn't talk about making excuses about a player not performing

On June 28 2021 05:36 Xain0n wrote:
As I said.
Trap really needs a Code S right now, he's so strong!

"BuT iT's X aM" excuses were not even needed this time but they look ridicolous as always.

On June 28 2021 05:47 Xain0n wrote:


Now this is something I haven't heard before, enlighten me.
It would be better for you to avoid but it's not like you have any credibility anyway.

On June 28 2021 06:05 tigera6 wrote:

DH Global is next week, and is supposed to be a big one EPT Points-wise. Unfortunately the prize money aint big enough so we will have to wait until GSL S2 finish to see if Trap would "break the curse".

On June 28 2021 05:57 Charoisaur wrote:

WESG 2019: "Serral lost because he was sick"

On June 28 2021 05:57 tigera6 wrote:
So I guess Clem losing on even Ping was enough of an excuse for a rematch, but KR losing on late time is not an excuse? Imagine Dark actually played today while having to play in the GSL tomorrow and act like that is NOT a handicap is just plain ignorant.

On June 28 2021 06:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


soO had only won a KeSPA cup for all his silvers though. Whereas Trap has won 6 titles in a little over 6 months plus MLG Anaheim all these years ago, which means he now has more golds than silvers.

On June 28 2021 02:21 AzAlexZ wrote:

don't jinx it lol

On June 28 2021 06:35 Xain0n wrote:


And you remember me saying that? Check again.



First of all, expressing a doubt is different from being convinced of a certain, not proved, thing and whining accordingly.

The "late hour disadvantage" has been widely discussed in the last year and half; I want to remind you that korean players themselves, when asked, didn't openly complain about tournaments running late. If I remember correctly some pro also added that 4/5 AM aren't that big of a deal(maybe Inno?).

Adjusting the sleep schedule is a very possible thing unlike many here seem to think and even if korean players weren't already accustomed enough with playing at EU/NA timezones in the last decade, they could have had enough opportunities in recent times.

Thus said, some tournaments ended in the early morning in Korea which is indeed annoying and should be avoided(as it has been afterwards) but the results of the said tournaments don't seem to indicate this issue majorly affected the outcomes.

On June 28 2021 07:10 Freeborn wrote:
Awesome tournament,

Trap is now BY FAR the best protoss in SC2 history.

Zest looked great too though, in my eyes the best he has ever been.

But literally the way that Trap turned those games around... always finding a way and doing damage and sometimes yoloing it. Just great.
Almost felt like the Maru of protoss

On June 28 2021 17:45 Durnuu wrote:

You know, I usually don't want to debate with you but saying playing at 4-5 am doesn't affect your play is such a ridiculously ignorant statement I just have to answer.
Let's assume Trap sleeps a sound 8 hours every night, like the average adult, and falls asleep quickly (unlike me). This would mean his normal waking schedule would probably be something like 8 am to 12 am. TSL finals started 4 hours after that. For Reynor, assuming the same sleep schedule as Trap, it started at 9 pm, 3 hours before his "usual" sleep time (once again, just assuming a standard sleep schedule).
Now I don't know if you've ever pulled an all-nighter, but I personally have been, alas, forced to do that, and talked to people who were also forced to. The majority are in agreement: you DO NOT function normally around that time, usually starting from 3 am until 6 am. You start forgetting to do basic stuff, which if you have time some time to think things over you you can make up for, but in SC2? In a game as quick as SC2 where some decisions can cost you the game in the matter of seconds, it can be truly devastating. You don't have time to think about things, except in the early game. You're on auto-pilot, but as I said earlier, you forget basic, obvious things at this hour. See: Reynor's surround on Lightshade. Well done by Reynor, but Trap could've handled that so, so much better. Also Trap's wall on Jagannatha
To play at 5 am and not have your play affected would mean to have your entire sleep schedule revolve around that. Still assuming Trap sleeps 8 hours a night, that means he would have to wake up around 12pm-1pm, to still have the finals start at the END of his day (whereas for Reynor is started 3 hours before). I don't know about you, but if I have a nice sleep schedule, I'd start feeling tired at said time, while I wouldn't 3 hours before. He can take it a step further and wake up at 3pm and sacrifice whatever life outside of SC2 he had left when he woke up at 12pm.
To adjust your sleep schedule that much, it would take 5 days to a week. So to adjust to a 4 am finals, Trap would have to sacrifice most of his week including his life outside SC2. If you expand to the entirety of TSL, that's 3 weeks total. I don't doubt his motivation, but that's a lot of effort to put in for a tournament this small (no offense to TSL, but this isn't Katowice, or Code S, WCS, Blizzcon...).

Last but not least, the fact that one single pro has said that playing at 4 am is fine doesn't mean the rest are fine with it and can adjust to it perfectly. Korean players didn't openly complain about region lock (except Solar after a few years of it), doesn't mean it wasn't unfair.

On June 28 2021 17:45 Durnuu wrote:
Last but not least, the fact that one single pro has said that playing at 4 am is fine doesn't mean the rest are fine with it and can adjust to it perfectly. Korean players didn't openly complain about region lock (except Solar after a few years of it), doesn't mean it wasn't unfair.

On June 28 2021 20:28 Harris1st wrote:


There are some early bird kinda people and there are some owl kinda people. Me personnally, I would hate to play at 9am but could easily play through the night. But with enough time in advance neither should be that big of a problem.