EPT[IEM 2021] Katowice World Championship - Championship Sund…
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On March 01 2021 05:13 WombaT wrote: Crazy tournament, I think you’ve a solid 4 or 5 players who looked in championship tier shape who all went out in series that went the distance. Dark, Serral and Maru for sure of guys I saw anyway. I was a big fan of Zest/Clem as well. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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yeahokay
8 Posts
On March 01 2021 05:38 nojok wrote: In the end Dark went 12 3, only dropping maps to the actual winner while Reynor went 21 13 dropping maps to everyone but Dream. Dark lost immediately after he had to play against the first top 5 player, so big surprise. | ||
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Blastmally
Italy3 Posts
Who was the Starcraft 2 player that won Katowice 2021 beating Dream, Trap, Stats, Dark, Maru and Zest, with a record in 2020 tournaments of 6 wins to 3 against Serral? GG Reynor :D | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 01 2021 04:52 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: You had to bring Serral into this thread again, didn't you? He wasn't playing since Friday! What's your excuse this time lol? It seems really hard for you to contain your hatred. no point in spreading the narrative that I would hate Serral for some reason - nobody buys that | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
On March 01 2021 05:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I was a big fan of Zest/Clem as well. Yeah, albeit Zest does kind of look sloppy in almost every series I see of him he did go on a tear. Trap didn’t show up at all and Inno seemingly forgot he was playing in the Ro12. Other than that I don’t think there were many major disappointments. Rogue, Stats and TY were merely ok and did show good flashes, but weren’t awful or anything. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On March 01 2021 06:16 Charoisaur wrote: no point in spreading the narrative that I would hate Serral for some reason - nobody buys that You don't really hate serral, that's true, you hate when the casters overhype him, got it but admit that, with your snarky comments which are really frequents, you can appear a annoying to his fans who don't necesseraly think he is the goat but just find enjoyable the fact a eu zerg happens to be a top zerg. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
Might be time for some number adjustments for the Lurker, a buff to Protoss might be warranted but I'm clueless as to how they could do that without making them imba vs Terran, P sitting at a 53% WR vs. T on Aligulac which I know isn't gospel or anything but still a halfway decent indicator. ZvP shockingly sitting at a solid 50%, I would have thought it would be more Zerg favored. | ||
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lostusername123
47 Posts
On March 01 2021 05:38 nojok wrote: In the end Dark went 12 3, only dropping maps to the actual winner while Reynor went 21 13 dropping maps to everyone but Dream. It's a problem with SC2 tournament formats. This type of tournament is completely luck prone unless you got a completely dominant player playing, as the field is, it's super coinflippy, it'd be better w/o group stages and losers brackets. Another reason why "The last player who won the big tournament" is the best is a dumb take. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On March 01 2021 06:52 Beelzebub1 wrote: As a Zerg player watching these replays, you really have to take a hard look at how massively the game shifts in the favor or Zerg once Lurkers hit the field, they pump out such DPS that they even make Immortals seem like a pretty bad response. Might be time for some number adjustments for the Lurker, a buff to Protoss might be warranted but I'm clueless as to how they could do that without making them imba vs Terran, P sitting at a 53% WR vs. T on Aligulac which I know isn't gospel or anything but still a halfway decent indicator. ZvP shockingly sitting at a solid 50%, I would have thought it would be more Zerg favored. lurkers have always been a dumb unit. a seige unit should have some weakness. the tank has high dps and range but slow to reposition and setup. tempests are long range, can attack air/ground but has crap dps and low hp. and then u have the fucking lurker, broken dps, long af range, can reposition instantly, high hp (can tank 3 storms?) AND requires detection... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
On March 01 2021 06:52 Beelzebub1 wrote: As a Zerg player watching these replays, you really have to take a hard look at how massively the game shifts in the favor or Zerg once Lurkers hit the field, they pump out such DPS that they even make Immortals seem like a pretty bad response. Might be time for some number adjustments for the Lurker, a buff to Protoss might be warranted but I'm clueless as to how they could do that without making them imba vs Terran, P sitting at a 53% WR vs. T on Aligulac which I know isn't gospel or anything but still a halfway decent indicator. ZvP shockingly sitting at a solid 50%, I would have thought it would be more Zerg favored. I think we’re at a stage where the meta is still in flux, it wasn’t that long ago that 2 SG Void seemed a catch-all answer to Protoss prayers. The kind of busts with lurkers and tons of Queens were nasty this tournament, but they seem ripe for disruptors just smacking them down with their high burst damage. But then disruptors are super vulnerable to viper yoinks, Templar are the safer option in terms of reliable AoE, problem is storms don’t do shit vs lurkers with that many transfuses. I’m struggling to think of a response that isn’t ‘build every Protoss unit’ lol, but I think there’s still scope for growth at the minute, unlike previous patches there doesn’t feel to be some omnipresent strat that Protoss just outright can’t stop like we’ve seen before. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 01 2021 06:51 stilt wrote: You don't really hate serral, that's true, you hate when the casters overhype him, got it but admit that, with your snarky comments which are really frequents, you can appear a annoying to his fans who don't necesseraly think he is the goat but just find enjoyable the fact a eu zerg happens to be a top zerg. fair enough I'll try to back it down | ||
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seemsgood
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darklycid
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On March 01 2021 07:15 WombaT wrote: I think we’re at a stage where the meta is still in flux, it wasn’t that long ago that 2 SG Void seemed a catch-all answer to Protoss prayers. The kind of busts with lurkers and tons of Queens were nasty this tournament, but they seem ripe for disruptors just smacking them down with their high burst damage. But then disruptors are super vulnerable to viper yoinks, Templar are the safer option in terms of reliable AoE, problem is storms don’t do shit vs lurkers with that many transfuses. I’m struggling to think of a response that isn’t ‘build every Protoss unit’ lol, but I think there’s still scope for growth at the minute, unlike previous patches there doesn’t feel to be some omnipresent strat that Protoss just outright can’t stop like we’ve seen before. I wonder if testing changing storm to be mopre broodwar like could change up things in toss MUs, but yea looks like Zergs figured out this stage of 2sg builds. Also both superlategames we got were won by Zerg (even tho showtime threw hard i think), so yea idk what to think of it atm. Edit: also if you ever think about buffing toss for pro play you gotta look at the ladder performance, where toss is kinda dominating. So you have to be careful about that one too. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
The silver lining is that the fans of these players will keep getting fucked by 50% Protoss population on ladder and their Void Rays which is the worst thing in the world to play against so i guess everything has a positive side. Reynor won Katowice, i guess Armani and Ragnarok are next in line right? | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
On March 01 2021 07:15 WombaT wrote: I think we’re at a stage where the meta is still in flux, it wasn’t that long ago that 2 SG Void seemed a catch-all answer to Protoss prayers. The kind of busts with lurkers and tons of Queens were nasty this tournament, but they seem ripe for disruptors just smacking them down with their high burst damage. But then disruptors are super vulnerable to viper yoinks, Templar are the safer option in terms of reliable AoE, problem is storms don’t do shit vs lurkers with that many transfuses. I’m struggling to think of a response that isn’t ‘build every Protoss unit’ lol, but I think there’s still scope for growth at the minute, unlike previous patches there doesn’t feel to be some omnipresent strat that Protoss just outright can’t stop like we’ve seen before. Yea, one thing I'm not liking about the way pro Protoss players are approaching ZvP is how passive they are doing it, general rule of thumb is that you cannot sit there and let the Zerg player just greed out and tech. Plus, since a plain vanilla roach/ravager max seems capable of putting the Protoss thats going for this double SG play way on the back heel, I just don't know. Not saying some scrub like me would know how to do it better, but I remember Phoenix play being alot more dominant for alot longer then this Void Ray into 2 Oracle thing, drone kills seem minimal while easily fended off by Queens. Where as a pack Phoenix can simply lift and fight Queens or tank some hits while they graviton up drones. Like I said, not saying I could do it any better by a long shot, but the whole, "2 SG is the way" thing seems out, Protoss need to figure out a way to pressure and contain the Zerg economy early, back to basics. | ||
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lostusername123
47 Posts
On March 01 2021 08:07 Morbidius wrote: Well i guess Zerg will win world championships until the end of time. The silver lining is that the fans of these players will keep getting fucked by 50% Protoss population on ladder and their Void Rays which is the worst thing in the world to play against so i guess everything has a positive side. Reynor won Katowice, i guess Armani and Ragnarok are next in line right? Delicious salt. Many players could have won this tournament including Maru & Zest. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
On March 01 2021 09:07 Beelzebub1 wrote: Yea, one thing I'm not liking about the way pro Protoss players are approaching ZvP is how passive they are doing it, general rule of thumb is that you cannot sit there and let the Zerg player just greed out and tech. Plus, since a plain vanilla roach/ravager max seems capable of putting the Protoss thats going for this double SG play way on the back heel, I just don't know. Not saying some scrub like me would know how to do it better, but I remember Phoenix play being alot more dominant for alot longer then this Void Ray into 2 Oracle thing, drone kills seem minimal while easily fended off by Queens. Where as a pack Phoenix can simply lift and fight Queens or tank some hits while they graviton up drones. Like I said, not saying I could do it any better by a long shot, but the whole, "2 SG is the way" thing seems out, Protoss need to figure out a way to pressure and contain the Zerg economy early, back to basics. I’m no expert I assume it’s popular because it’s safe as hell as an opener, you don’t die to much outright.l Plus I would assume part of it is Zergs have just got too good at defending phoenixes with minimal damage. As they got pretty good at defending standard oracle shenanigans | ||
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