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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right?
Clem could still ascend to best Terran status while losing in TvTs.
I think most would agree that on average over the last bunch of years Maru’s been the best Terran on the strength of his vP and vZ but he hasn’t necessarily been the top mirror player through that span.
Clem’s got a while to go but outside of the current top of the crop maintaining their level for the next while, I’m not seeing a huge amount of competition on current trajectory. Been a while since Inno fired (he looked fantastic today), Byun has shown flashes if his wrists can hold up, Dream got competitive again post military faster than most expected and then has since seemed to stall. Bunny is stuck in Bunny hell
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On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right?
You're using biased criteria. Winning games isn't supposed to decide who's better. Duh.
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On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right?
so?
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On February 27 2021 06:26 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right? Clem could still ascend to best Terran status while losing in TvTs. I think most would agree that on average over the last bunch of years Maru’s been the best Terran on the strength of his vP and vZ but he hasn’t necessarily been the top mirror player through that span.
At worst he switches places with TY for who's the best. Clem isn't even close.
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Being a foreigner Terran is great, you can be considered best Terran evah by wining the grand amount of a single Dreamhack finals.
(and I do like clem and I am excited by a EU terran that can win vs EU zergs but come on...)
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On February 27 2021 06:26 WombaT wrote:
Been a while since Inno fired (he looked fantastic today)
Did you really think Inno looked fantastic today?
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On February 27 2021 06:37 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 06:26 WombaT wrote:
Been a while since Inno fired (he looked fantastic today) Did you really think Inno looked fantastic today?
maybe he was talking about his physical appearance not his play
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humh 56 pages means serral vs clem series must be really insane
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On February 27 2021 06:40 seemsgood wrote:
humh 56 pages means serral vs clem series must be really insane
it was okay 
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On February 27 2021 05:18 sneakyfox wrote:
I for one was sad to see the world champion eliminated today.
Wut ? Why ? Coming from you it's very surprising haha
Do you fear a overhype regarding clem's perf ?
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Canada8989 Posts
Where would someone go to watch the VOD quickly without getting spoil?
I probably will miss the end of the round of 8+ the final.
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On February 27 2021 06:26 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right? Clem could still ascend to best Terran status while losing in TvTs. I think most would agree that on average over the last bunch of years Maru’s been the best Terran on the strength of his vP and vZ but he hasn’t necessarily been the top mirror player through that span. Clem’s got a while to go but outside of the current top of the crop maintaining their level for the next while, I’m not seeing a huge amount of competition on current trajectory. Been a while since Inno fired (he looked fantastic today), Byun has shown flashes if his wrists can hold up, Dream got competitive again post military faster than most expected and then has since seemed to stall. Bunny is stuck in Bunny hell
Not to mention that Clem is 18 and can potentially improve further; his TvT got drastically better just recently, he lost to Mary only while beating TY.
Clem definitely looks like top 3 Terran at the moment, it's not like Maru is on another tier entirely.
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France12909 Posts
On February 27 2021 06:27 Obamarauder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right? so?
I don’t care about Maru vs Serral, not because Clem is better than Maru vZ, but because TvZ with ping is bad. Also why I think Clem had the best shot at beating Serral among the terrans...
Maru can have better vZ offline depending on his injury, but Clem can rise to Maru level in TvZ if the game is not super late game oriented.
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On February 27 2021 07:01 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2021 06:27 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 06:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 27 2021 04:59 Obamarauder wrote:On February 27 2021 04:52 DBooN wrote:
Does anyone even care about Serral vs Maru anymore? nope, maru isnt even the best terran. clem will probably take that spot once TY goes to military. both dark and reynor are better than serral and even rogue depending on his performance You do realize Maru beat the crap out of Clem in the Group Stages the other day right? so? I don’t care about Maru vs Serral, not because Clem is better than Maru vZ, but because TvZ with ping is bad. Also why I think Clem had the best shot at beating Serral among the terrans... Maru can have better vZ offline depending on his injury, but Clem can rise to Maru level in TvZ if the game is not super late game oriented.
I agree actually since TvZ with ping is a different matchup (Still think TY would lose but on LAN Maru I think takes it). Cant wait until we are back on LAN and can actually see these matchups play out without timezone/ping problems.
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What a series! I think can Clem can take down Zest aswell, It won´t be easy(just like vs Serral) but he can do it!
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Serral still takes defeats from Europeans much harder. If it was Byun the tweet would have been "disappointed in the result but WP by him," for Clem it is "shouldn't have given him two free wins."
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France12909 Posts
On February 27 2021 15:57 Gina wrote:
Serral still takes defeats from Europeans much harder. If it was Byun the tweet would have been "disappointed in the result but WP by him," for Clem it is "shouldn't have given him two free wins."
I don’t know, seeing how ByuN struggled a lot, losing against a laggy terran playing at a super late hour would be much more shameful than losing to Clem on low ping at 7-8pm...
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I'd agree with you, I meant this:
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I am not sure he's disappointed that he lost against Clem, it looks like it's the ro12 that hurts him the most.
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