On February 24 2021 04:09 Vindicare605 wrote: This group is a lot harder to predict. Only thing I can feel confident in is saying that Astrea probably won't make it out.
Reynor/Trap/Zest Trap/HeroMarine/Zest, Reynor/Dream/Trap etc.
All are possible. Reynor might have a tiny bit of an edge because he only has to be ready for 2 match ups while everyone else has to be ready for 3.
I'd say Trap has a slight edge over Reynor even if I expect these 2 advancing alongside Zest. I'm still a bit afraid my potassium is gonna rise a bit too much tomorrow
So today, Rotti asks the pros today which SC2 player do they hate playing against the most: clips.twitch.tv. Interestingly, the majority of them don't answer with a specific player name that they hate playing against the most but instead say that Protoss is OP. LOL.
Reynor/Zest/Trap in some order looks likely but I agree that this group is a lot more open to upsets than B (group D is even more open and I expect it to be the really thrilling one). I also agree that Astrea will probably have a tough time, I'll be surprised if he wins a series.
On February 24 2021 07:59 Obamarauder wrote: Dream is underrated. His micro/unit control is extremely impressive everytime i watch him.
And yet his achievements are somewhat negligible.
Head: 1. Trap, 2. Reynor 3. Zest
Heart: 1. Reynor 2. Heromarine 3. Trap
He was the best Terran for a period in 2015
Clem was the best Terran for a period in 2021. Half a day to be exact ^^
That's not exactly the same, while the statement seems a bit too much (Maru and inno had still to be considered ahead imo), dream's back to back finals in ssl with 2 great 1/2 in each (the legendary 4-3 against life and then the stomping of herO) made him for sure a top 3 T at the time.
On February 24 2021 23:01 t5Fab wrote: Trap, Zest, Reynor, in this order, is my prediction
The more I think about it the more I see it this way too. I think Reynor may have a tough time and barely qualify if at all. Then again, now that I've said that he'll probably smash everyone and go 10-0 Dark way, but I don't see any easy match ahead of him.
The impressive thing is Zoun played a barcode zerg around 6.985k mmr who is said was Rogue and the guy demolished him in a super impressive late game. Bad news for Serral, the 3 other top zergs are expected to perform.
On February 25 2021 00:18 Waxangel wrote: If we're just projecting everyone from green screens, I don't see why HeroMarine can't be the literal entire background
On February 25 2021 00:18 Waxangel wrote: If we're just projecting everyone from green screens, I don't see why HeroMarine can't be the literal entire background
Quick reminder that this is supposed to be the strongest protoss has been in years. Well, that's probably true if more than 2 protosses get into the ro12
On February 25 2021 00:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: that was far better from Reynor.
First game he probably thought it was 2sg voids, I don't see how mass voids can beat 13 queens. Insane games though, this group is already super entertaining.
that missclick in the pathing lost trap the game, just when he was transitioning in a unbeatable air army. Other than that playing tiers above raynor atm
On February 25 2021 00:49 [PkF] Wire wrote: that was far better from Reynor.
First game he probably thought it was 2sg voids, I don't see how mass voids can beat 13 queens. Insane games though, this group is already super entertaining.
definitely, best group so far (and tomorrow's group has even more potential, maybe not higher level but even more open and unpredictable)
Just signed on... HeroMarine beat Trap and is currently winning the group!? Damn, well done, HM! Of course, there's still plenty of SC2 left to play... hopefully he doesn't end up dropping hard like Clem.
On February 25 2021 00:50 sudete wrote: Quick reminder that this is supposed to be the strongest protoss has been in years. Well, that's probably true if more than 2 protosses get into the ro12
When will David Kim make it so Protoss can move command into Lurkers and win??
On February 25 2021 00:50 sudete wrote: Quick reminder that this is supposed to be the strongest protoss has been in years. Well, that's probably true if more than 2 protosses get into the ro12
While they haven't won it lets not pretend that Protoss has done poorly at Katowice the last few years. They've been the most represented or tied for the most represented in the ro12 basically every time and always make the finals.
On February 25 2021 00:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Just signed on... HeroMarine beat Trap and is currently winning the group!? Damn, well done, HM! Of course, there's still plenty of SC2 left to play... hopefully he doesn't end up dropping hard like Clem.
Clem advanced, Heromarine could very well be eliminated.
On February 25 2021 00:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Just signed on... HeroMarine beat Trap and is currently winning the group!? Damn, well done, HM! Of course, there's still plenty of SC2 left to play... hopefully he doesn't end up dropping hard like Clem.
Clem advanced, Heromarine could very well be eliminated.
yeah, but he has very high chances to advance now to say the least
Don't know why I expect this tournament to be any different from the rest. Still the same uninspired stuff except when very specific players get into complex mid to late games... which happens so very sparingly.
On February 25 2021 01:07 ShAd_1337 wrote: ok Trap is in danger
yeah extremely serious even ; both Astrea and Zest won't be free wins and if he could drop a series vs Gabe, why not vs Dream ? Basically he's down 0-3 in a bo7, he has to be impeccable from now on
On February 25 2021 01:08 Obamarauder wrote: lmao everyone thinking trap will top this group but pretty big chance he doesnt even make it to playoffs considering he still has pvp vs zest
and it's unlikely but he definitely could lose pvp vs astrea as well
Trap can still do it, but he has to beat Zest in a PvP now :/ Worst possible situation for him, but he looked like a better player against Reynor despite the loss, so he can definitely do it. Just hope he clears his head now a bit and crushes the rest of the group.
On February 25 2021 01:21 Xamo wrote: Trap being out would be such bad news to the tournament... He is the only Protoss that has a shot on winning it all.
Stats plays tomorrow and I wouldn't bury Zest (assuming he qualifies ofc, the Trap Zest series is obviously pivotal here) just because of a throw vs Astrea
On February 25 2021 01:21 Xamo wrote: Trap being out would be such bad news to the tournament... He is the only Protoss that has a shot on winning it all.
Stats had a better shot honestly and I dunno if he even practices anymore
I mean if we're talking about pure win rates Zest's overall PvP win rate has barely changed in the last 4 years. It's just the more important or memorable matches aren't going as well anymore I guess.
On February 25 2021 01:45 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Trap is out. Unreal... Such a shame for the tournament as well, but what can be done he just didnt show up mentally today
hehe, that preview article and comments didn't age well
On February 25 2021 01:45 [PkF] Wire wrote: ok so what does Trap need to have a chance now, besides (obviously) winning the next 2 series, preferably 2-0 ?
On February 25 2021 01:45 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Trap is out. Unreal... Such a shame for the tournament as well, but what can be done he just didnt show up mentally today
On February 25 2021 01:45 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Trap is out. Unreal... Such a shame for the tournament as well, but what can be done he just didnt show up mentally today
hilariously, Zest vs HeroMarine is the only "bad" MU in his future—all the other MU's he needs to go his way are in his 'favor' on paper
and anyway even if he somehow qualifies not ending first puts quite a dent in your chances to win with the razor thin differences there seem to be at such a high level
On February 25 2021 01:46 swarminfestor wrote: Did Trap somewhat become Rogue falling hard right after winning a big tournament?
Lol Rogue did it after winning world championships and having guaranteed seeds to the next one. When bwon super tournament and followed it up with Blizzcon and Katowice.
Trap is not out yet. He needs to win both of his games(4-0 if possible), Zest to lose both of his and the winner of Astrea/Dream not to go better than 2-3(still possible).
On February 25 2021 01:54 Xain0n wrote: Trap is not out yet. He needs to win both of his games(4-0 if possible), Zest to lose both of his and the winner of Astrea/Dream not to go better than 2-3(still possible).
doesn't sound that far-fetched, Heromarine is definitely for real in this tourney. Still not likely.
The Trap scenario is actually like, surprisingly good given who SHOULD be favored in the upcoming MU's. The toughest thing for him is Zest vs Gabe where both players will want to win, but given how well Gabe is playing today it might not be that bad
On February 25 2021 02:02 Waxangel wrote: The Trap scenario is actually like, surprisingly good given who SHOULD be favored in the upcoming MU's. The toughest thing for him is Zest vs Gabe where both players will want to win, but given how well Gabe is playing today it might not be that bad
First time in years I go into Katowice fanboying for someone and now I remember why I try to remain more detached, Trap my poor heart Still hope for a miracle!
On February 25 2021 02:15 WombaT wrote: First time in years I go into Katowice fanboying for someone and now I remember why I try to remain more detached, Trap my poor heart Still hope for a miracle!
fortunately for you the miracle is not so improbable
On February 25 2021 02:15 WombaT wrote: First time in years I go into Katowice fanboying for someone and now I remember why I try to remain more detached, Trap my poor heart Still hope for a miracle!
just switch to fanboying reynor its going really well rn
On February 25 2021 02:19 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: Nice comeback by Astrea in game 2 against Dream.
yeah at some point he was 30 supply down and in a very difficult spot. I didn't watch everything leading to the comeback, some nice disruptor hits probably happened ^^
On February 25 2021 02:19 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: Nice comeback by Astrea in game 2 against Dream.
yeah at some point he was 30 supply down and in a very difficult spot. I didn't watch everything leading to the comeback, some nice disruptor hits probably happened ^^
No just dream being too passive and overly splitting the army
On February 25 2021 02:23 Musicus wrote: I am pleasently suprised by the viewership in the group stage, especially since it's during the week. Good to see!
Working from home is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
On February 25 2021 02:23 Musicus wrote: I am pleasently suprised by the viewership in the group stage, especially since it's during the week. Good to see!
Working from home is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
Sooo, thanks Covid, I guess?
Haha, true, didn't think of that (we are only 4 people in our little firm and I have my own room, so I still go to work even though I work in IT, I am just not as productive at home).
On February 25 2021 02:23 Musicus wrote: I am pleasently suprised by the viewership in the group stage, especially since it's during the week. Good to see!
Working from home is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
Sooo, thanks Covid, I guess?
For all our complaining it's probably going to turn out that it was quite good for SC2, cross server play notwithstanding.
On February 25 2021 02:23 Musicus wrote: I am pleasently suprised by the viewership in the group stage, especially since it's during the week. Good to see!
Working from home is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural.
Sooo, thanks Covid, I guess?
For all our complaining it's probably going to turn out that it was quite good for SC2, cross server play notwithstanding.
I remembered Neeb got butchered by the mine drops from Maru last few years ago. It happened to Astrea again. Just can't remember what the tournament was.
On February 25 2021 02:38 sneakyfox wrote: Crazy that everybody can still advance.
yeah, more or less everyone predicted this group to be open and unpredictable, but I doubt anyone foresaw that scenario . The huge HM - Trap upset put the group over its head and everything went crazy from here
It is actually kind of doable for Trap. 1. Heromarine and Zest play each other so one of them will get 3 wins. 2. Trap needs to win his two matches against Astrea and Dream. 3. He needs Astrea to lose against Reynor which is likely. 4. Then, the only needs either to Zest win against HM, or for Reynor to win against Zest.
On February 25 2021 02:22 Luolis wrote: I want to see a Terran win a macro game vs Z where they dont kill 20 workers earlygame. Yet to see that in this event.
On February 25 2021 02:42 Poaktree wrote: It is actually kind of doable for Trap. Heromarine and Zest play each other so one of them will get 3 wins. So if Trap wins his two matches against Astrea and Dream, he just needs Astrea to lose against Reynor which is likely.
not if Reynor beats Zest (unlikely I admit) and Heromarine beats Dream. If those things happen it's over.
On February 25 2021 02:22 Luolis wrote: I want to see a Terran win a macro game vs Z where they dont kill 20 workers earlygame. Yet to see that in this event.
On February 25 2021 02:22 Luolis wrote: I want to see a Terran win a macro game vs Z where they dont kill 20 workers earlygame. Yet to see that in this event.
We already did: Solar vs Maru G1
Ah my bad, i didn't watch group A ":D"
You wouldn't count that game anyway cause Maru was dead and then killed Solar's main army with a nuke.
On February 25 2021 02:22 Luolis wrote: I want to see a Terran win a macro game vs Z where they dont kill 20 workers earlygame. Yet to see that in this event.
We already did: Solar vs Maru G1
Ah my bad, i didn't watch group A ":D"
You just need to add "or loses their maxed out broodlord corruptor viper army to a single nuke" to it.
On February 25 2021 02:51 Nakajin wrote: Astrea respond to a nexus first with a proxy nexus recal in the main, if it work he's gonna look like a genius
Holly shit, proxy-nexus-probe-recal-canon-rush, what a fucking build
wow
this is definitely something I need to watch again
On February 25 2021 02:51 Nakajin wrote: Astrea respond to a nexus first with a proxy nexus recal in the main, if it work he's gonna look like a genius
Holly shit, proxy-nexus-probe-recal-canon-rush, what a fucking build
It's so hard to figure out where Zest is at after this group. If he gets 1st, which is likely atm, I wouldn't favor him against any of the other ro12 players, but I wouldn't confidently bet on anyone vs him either
On February 25 2021 03:10 Nakajin wrote: So Zest is same and Reynor could technically still get eliminated if he keep doing those stupid queen push every game vs Astrea?
LOL I hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's possible if Astrea totally NA clowns him
On February 25 2021 03:10 Nakajin wrote: So Zest is same and Reynor could technically still get eliminated if he keep doing those stupid queen push every game vs Astrea?
Reynor and Trap getting eliminated would really be something.
Don't think Astrea stands a chance against Reynor though.
On February 25 2021 02:51 Nakajin wrote: Astrea respond to a nexus first with a proxy nexus recal in the main, if it work he's gonna look like a genius
Holly shit, proxy-nexus-probe-recal-canon-rush, what a fucking build
On February 25 2021 03:19 [PkF] Wire wrote: Reynor out is actually a realistic outcome now
I don't think he'll lose to astrea.
I didn't think he'd lose to Zest, and I wasn't convinced by any of his 5 maps vs P. If I had to bet I'd bet Reynor, ofc, but I can picture a world where Astrea somehow 2-0s.
On February 25 2021 03:19 [PkF] Wire wrote: Reynor out is actually a realistic outcome now
I don't think he'll lose to astrea.
I didn't think he'd lose to Zest, and I wasn't convinced by any of his 5 maps vs P. If I had to bet I'd bet Reynor, ofc, but I can picture a world where Astrea somehow 2-0s.
He already lost 0:3 to Zest in wardi 2021 so this loss wasn't that unexpected to me but i agree he doesn't look too good in his zvps still should be enough for astrea i think.
On February 25 2021 03:19 [PkF] Wire wrote: Reynor out is actually a realistic outcome now
I don't think he'll lose to astrea.
I didn't think he'd lose to Zest, and I wasn't convinced by any of his 5 maps vs P. If I had to bet I'd bet Reynor, ofc, but I can picture a world where Astrea somehow 2-0s.
He already lost 0:3 to Zest in wardi 2021 so this loss wasn't that unexpected to me but i agree he doesn't look too good in his zvps still should be enough for astrea i think.
I was aware of that 0-3 but tbh I thought he was hiding strats. I don't think he hid anything here (0 reason to let Zest have 1st place when you can skip the ro12), so I guess what we saw is the best he has to offer vP, and it didn't look great to say the least. Chance for the Z, ZvT looks extremely good for them and somehow TvP seems really fine for T on most maps, so depending on the bracket the T could eliminate the P threats and the Z will feast on them
Heromarine fighting Zest for 1st place would be great as well, although I'm pretty sure Zest is just going to bury him under endless waves of chargelots / stalkers / DTs
On February 25 2021 03:35 Musicus wrote: Well now HM vs Zest will be exciting.
perfect setup for a very straightforward 2-0 steamroll
this is way too likely
sadly, but honestly with how great Gabe has been playing today I'm really hoping he can give Zest a run for his money for 1st place. HM 1st would really be incredible lol
On February 25 2021 03:40 swarminfestor wrote: Is there any chance Astrea can make into the third place if he just lost one map against Reynor?
No. Astrea has to win 2-0
Ah, you're right
best scenario for him I'd say though, if Reynor is really shaky in PvZ he may go in the series thinking "let's just try to win a map to ensure qual" which would be the best way to lose 0-2
I don't think Reynor can take first place, even if he wins 2-0 and HM wins 2-1. Reynor and HM will be tied for map differential, but the 2nd criteria for tiebreak is number of map wins. In this scenario, HM will have 9 to Reynor's 8
On February 25 2021 03:44 Azzur wrote: I don't think Reynor can take first place, even if he wins 2-0 and HM wins 2-1. Reynor and HM will be tied for map differential, but the 2nd criteria for tiebreak is number of map wins. In this scenario, HM will have 9 to Reynor's 8
Correct. Anyone who wins between Zest and Heromarine will be first and if Reynor wins one map, he's through.
On February 25 2021 03:44 Azzur wrote: I don't think Reynor can take first place, even if he wins 2-0 and HM wins 2-1. Reynor and HM will be tied for map differential, but the 2nd criteria for tiebreak is number of map wins. In this scenario, HM will have 9 to Reynor's 8
On February 25 2021 03:44 Azzur wrote: I don't think Reynor can take first place, even if he wins 2-0 and HM wins 2-1. Reynor and HM will be tied for map differential, but the 2nd criteria for tiebreak is number of map wins. In this scenario, HM will have 9 to Reynor's 8
Correct. Anyone who wins between Zest and Heromarine will be first and if Reynor wins one map, he's through.
perfect summary. Going to watch Reynor - Astrea I think
On February 25 2021 03:48 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: This group is great. Probably the most fun IEM group I have watched in like, well, ever.
one of the best for sure. Exquisite suspense pretty much wherever it's needed, great upsets, entertaining games with even some innovative strats... I don't really see what more one could ask for.
Commentator confusion ppl by saying that there are different possible scenarios depending on scores. In reality, it's quite simple, HM vs Zest for first and Reynor needs 1 map win to get the last spot, else Astrea gets 3rd if he wins 2-0
On February 25 2021 03:52 Azzur wrote: Commentator confusion ppl by saying that there are different possible scenarios depending on scores. In reality, it's quite simple, HM vs Zest for first and Reynor needs 1 map win to get 3rd, else Astrea gets 3rd if he wins 2-0
Commentators are notoriously unreliable when it comes to standings. It's basically like asking a puppy to fly a spaceship.
On February 25 2021 03:54 Musicus wrote: Lambo said map difference then head to head, so 9-5 would not be better than 8-4, since the difference is 4 for both.
Is that correct?
I don’t think it is, after map difference comes total map wins, and 9 is bigger than 8 so
On February 25 2021 03:54 Musicus wrote: Lambo said map difference then head to head, so 9-5 would not be better than 8-4, since the difference is 4 for both.
Is that correct?
Ties are broken in the following order:
Overall map difference Overall number of map wins Match wins amassed between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Map difference between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Number of map wins between the tied participants ('Mini-League') Tie breaker matches Coin toss
On February 25 2021 03:54 Musicus wrote: Lambo said map difference then head to head, so 9-5 would not be better than 8-4, since the difference is 4 for both.
Is that correct?
9-5 is better than 8-4, becaue 2nd tiebreak criteria is overall more map wins
On February 25 2021 03:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: Zest is 9-0 in series and 23-6 in matches vs Gabe.
yeah, HM wins 2-0
And all 9 series were colossal shitshows
I remember (at least some of them) ^^. Everything reasonable indeed points out to Gabe getting mauled by 18 gates spitting out chargelots. But with the way this day is going, that only means HM is going to figure out something and go 2-0 !
On February 25 2021 04:14 Jacenoob wrote: Just wondering who comes up with these terrible decisions what matches they show. Three matches, two streams. Don't show the one with the Q on the line.
On February 25 2021 04:14 Jacenoob wrote: Just wondering who comes up with these terrible decisions what matches they show. Three matches, two streams. Don't show the one with the Q on the line.
The main stream match decides who qualifies for the Ro8. Big enough.
On February 25 2021 04:14 Jacenoob wrote: Just wondering who comes up with these terrible decisions what matches they show. Three matches, two streams. Don't show the one with the Q on the line.
There are 3 streams.
Honestly Harstem Lambo is the highest tier for commentary and overall stream experience, always happy to see important matches on it.
On February 25 2021 04:14 Jacenoob wrote: Just wondering who comes up with these terrible decisions what matches they show. Three matches, two streams. Don't show the one with the Q on the line.
esl_tv, esl_sc2b and harstem???
ehhh, streaming is just like any other tech/UI
making things as obvious and simple as possible is best practice, because you can never assume users will find information
On February 25 2021 04:22 dysenterymd wrote: Good stuff by Heromarine overall, would be surprised if he makes it any deeper but ro12 still a great result for him.
same, but kudos to him, honestly I thought he would look good but go 0-5 and I'm pretty sure even he didn't necessarily expect to qualify (I mean you always believe in yourself but I'm pretty sure he wasn't confident he could surpass even one of Trap / Reynor / Zest), so imo his tourney is already a great success
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
Is 65000 dollar 1st place enough to tease out peak instincts Rogue?
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
Is 65000 dollar 1st place enough to tease out peak instincts Rogue?
I'm quite a Rogue fan so I hope so, but his last appearances have been rather disappointing (and it's an understatement) - and he seemed to have such a bad time playing, that was painful to watch honestly
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
He is 7k on korean ladder, he dismantled zoun this morning and that was pretty fucking impressive.
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
He is 7k on korean ladder, he dismantled zoun this morning and that was pretty fucking impressive.
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
He is 7k on korean ladder, he dismantled zoun this morning and that was pretty fucking impressive.
Fingers crossed ! A great Rogue is such a beast, I'd really like to see him thrown in that ro12 that is shaping out to be great
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
He is 7k on korean ladder, he dismantled zoun this morning and that was pretty fucking impressive.
Is there a place to watch that game?
I don't know if Zoun recorded his stream but you can watch his pov if he does.
On February 25 2021 04:23 Elentos wrote: Every race won 1 group, group D is the tie breaker.
any chance a good Rogue shows up tomorrow ? Unless I missed something, if his recent form is anything to go by he'll fight to avoid last place rather than for the first one
He is 7k on korean ladder, he dismantled zoun this morning and that was pretty fucking impressive.
I was kind of remembering the last ESL interview on Dark saying that Rogue was the greatest player right now despite others named Trap or Serral instead. With Dark sweeping the group B brackets yesterday, it must be Rogue who became his practice partner to deliver such impresive results.
On February 25 2021 04:38 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Reynor's ZvP has been pretty meh. Game 2 vs Trap was great, everything else has been sketchy.
Yeah his queen nydus all in vs stargate opening was quite underwhelming tbh
I watched all day but without sound, did Lambo comment about Reynor's lack of success with those builds ? He clearly implied he had ZvP builds in his sleeve in his recent (and great) interview, so if what we saw today is the result of those months of hard work, I have to say I'm disappointed
I am bettor and I have to say I did bet on Trap winning his games just based on low odds and bang, he lost all games. Do people who actually follow how players are performing or just know scene better are surprised? Second question: who would you bet on that will win whole thing? Third: Could I start thread where people who know scence much better would give some advice on possible bets?
I have to say Reynor entered this as a heavy favorite but now, while I don't take him totally out of the title discussion, looks far less relevant especially if he has to face P again. Dark wasn't tested vP but looked a lot more dominant.
On February 25 2021 04:48 Delial1986 wrote: I am bettor and I have to say I did bet on Trap winning his games just based on low odds and bang, he lost all games. Do people who actually follow how players are performing or just know scene better are surprised? Second question: who would you bet on that will win whole thing? Third: Could I start thread where people who know scence much better would give some advice on possible bets?
First question: everybody is shocked that Trap went out that way.
Second: There is no clear favourite this time, and groups so far have confirmed that. It could be any of TY, Maru, Dark, Serral, Zest, Reynor, Rogue, and maybe Stats. If I had to pick one personally, it would be Dark.
On February 25 2021 04:48 Delial1986 wrote: I am bettor and I have to say I did bet on Trap winning his games just based on low odds and bang, he lost all games. Do people who actually follow how players are performing or just know scene better are surprised? Second question: who would you bet on that will win whole thing? Third: Could I start thread where people who know scence much better would give some advice on possible bets?
First question: everybody is shocked that Trap went out that way.
Second: There is no clear favourite this time, and groups so far have confirmed that. It could be any of TY, Maru, Dark, Serral, Zest, Reynor, Rogue, and maybe Stats.
trying one's hand at a power rank tomorrow after we get a clear view of the ro12 will be extremely interesting indeed
On February 25 2021 04:48 Delial1986 wrote: I am bettor and I have to say I did bet on Trap winning his games just based on low odds and bang, he lost all games. Do people who actually follow how players are performing or just know scene better are surprised? Second question: who would you bet on that will win whole thing? Third: Could I start thread where people who know scence much better would give some advice on possible bets?
First question: everybody is shocked that Trap went out that way.
Second: There is no clear favourite this time, and groups so far have confirmed that. It could be any of TY, Maru, Dark, Serral, Zest, Reynor, Rogue, and maybe Stats.
trying one's hand at a power rank tomorrow after we get a clear view of the ro12 will be extremely interesting indeed
Yeah, and then there is the fact that one or more of the players who emerge as top dogs from the groups usually screw up in the playoffs (looking at you TY).
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