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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Who Tops Group B?Serral (29) 42% Dark (23) 33% INnoVation (6) 9% TIME (6) 9% Bunny (4) 6% SpeCial (1) 1% 69 total votes Your vote: Who Tops Group B? (Vote): Serral
(Vote): INnoVation
(Vote): SpeCial
(Vote): Dark
(Vote): TIME
(Vote): Bunny
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Think this group actually on paper is going to be very very tight. Dark in great form, Serral is Serral, INnoVation surely will show some kind of form we have missed from him. SpeCial has shown he is always capable of winning vs the elite in the game. Then you have Bunny who looked very good in RO24 cruising through his games. Then throw in China's best player in TIME. This might eclipse group a?
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TIME is really underrated imo. wont be surprised if he gets out 2nd/3rd.
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Serral 1st
Inno, Dark, Bunny ficht over 2nd/3rd
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A group with only Zergs and Terrans, so beautiful *_*
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On February 23 2021 05:23 stilt wrote:
A group with only Zergs and Terrans, so beautiful *_*
boring. TvP the best matchup to watch for me
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hard to call. Serral / INno / Dark is the predictable answer but I can see TIME upsetting and getting a top 3. Should be a very interesting group to watch, though imo the most interesting groups will be C and D.
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Very curious how Dark performs. We pretty much haven't seen him in an international tourney this year aside from TSL.
I hope 2019 Dark shows up and trashes everyone.
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United States23455 Posts
I’d like to see Dark, Bunny, and Serral/TIME
I think Serral, Dark, and Inno will make it but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised by anything
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Rooting for Serral and Time to advance. I think everyone has a chance to get through this group but Serral and Dark will be favourites to win it.
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Personally really hyped to see Bunny vs Serral and Dark, TvZ he showed in RO36 was too cool, I think he might have a shot!
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I don't see the event in the "Upcoming Events" and the "Live Events" area says next event in 6h16mn (maraleague)?
edit: nevermind it's back now 
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On February 23 2021 18:46 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Personally really hyped to see Bunny vs Serral and Dark, TvZ he showed in RO36 was too cool, I think he might have a shot!
I love Bunny and his TvZ is underrated, but he's not beating Serral or Dark. It takes world bending to beat those guys in TvZ.
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really want to see Serral, Innovation and Time make it out of this
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Serral/Dark/Bunny let's go!
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Go go INnoVation! (Power rangers music)
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Do they reveal who is on which stream in advance?
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On February 23 2021 22:47 Edpayasugo wrote:
Do they reveal who is on which stream in advance?
Looks like INno is on Harstem's channel for his first two matches
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Group A yesterday was great. Hoping for some similarly exciting matches in Group B!
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France12909 Posts
Gogo INno!! Hopefully he qualified and manage more than the top 8 he is predicted to do
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Inno vs Time starting on Harstems right now
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Another afternoon of HQ Sc2....what's not to like \0/
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ah man, pls start the game on main stream on time for once
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Canada8989 Posts
That first game doesn't give me much hope for Time
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Well this group is pretty damn hype too
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United States33559 Posts
Dark a fellow member of the "rogue is the greatest of all time" gang. Super-majors don't lie 
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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
Bunny looks to be taking his strong late-season form through to Katowice so far
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Production on main stream is just meme'ing at this point right? Floating heads and stuff
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France12909 Posts
According to Solar Bunny is very hot in TvZ, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see him beat Dark. Probably a lose vs Serral with ping though. Solid game so far
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United States23455 Posts
I'm a little late. I guess Inno/TIME and Serral/Special were fairly quick and straightforward?
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this is the IEM of long games I guess?
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United States33559 Posts
Zerg were right all along! BL-Infestor was never imba and Terrans just needed to EMP better
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I have to say these lategame tvzs are getting old at this point, probably an unpopular opinion but tvz in general is pretty stale and wait for it, boring.
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easy for Dark
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that was actually a really great long game for once
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that Bunny Dark game is pure gold
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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
Close but no cigar from Bunny there, that EMP drop was a sick play though.
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On February 23 2021 23:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I have to say these lategame tvzs are getting old at this point, probably an unpopular opinion but tvz in general is pretty stale and wait for it, boring.
I watched Solar vs Showtime yesterday so this seems incredibly exciting in comparison
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great first game! sad for Bunny but i hope he can comeback in the next map
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wait did Bunny actually get the banelings with his mules off screen? I don't see the banelings anymore
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gg Dark. Really entertaining game imo
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United States23455 Posts
I knew Special wouldn't let us have 0 mech TvTs
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On February 23 2021 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2021 23:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I have to say these lategame tvzs are getting old at this point, probably an unpopular opinion but tvz in general is pretty stale and wait for it, boring.
I watched Solar vs Showtime yesterday so this seems incredibly exciting in comparison
Fair enough haha, i assume i am in the minority on this but zvz is the best zerg matchup at this point.
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United States33559 Posts
Too bad Dark didn't get the burrow-neural EMP/feedback play he loves so much
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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On February 23 2021 23:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2021 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:On February 23 2021 23:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I have to say these lategame tvzs are getting old at this point, probably an unpopular opinion but tvz in general is pretty stale and wait for it, boring.
I watched Solar vs Showtime yesterday so this seems incredibly exciting in comparison Fair enough haha, i assume i am in the minority on this but zvz is the best zerg matchup at this point.
You maniac, it's obviously PvP
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That was an amazing late game by Dark. I really thought Bunny had it when he started to zone him with nukes... But Dark was just showing master playing.
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United States33559 Posts
SpeCial being stubborn with mech and actually winning a game ^_^
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Northern Ireland26265 Posts
Is Special still in Korea at the moment?
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On February 24 2021 00:04 WombaT wrote:
Is Special still in Korea at the moment?
Yep!
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We are having a Serral vs Dark again! This is gonna be hard to watch!... Can't they both win? =P
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Harstem and Lambo commenting are such a bless...
Can we have this stream up until the finals?
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United States23455 Posts
Ah I see diving planetary into loss is still the optimal ZvT build
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Just got home; missed Serral vs Special — were the games good? Did Serral look strong?
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On February 24 2021 00:10 Xamo wrote:
Harstem and Lambo commenting are such a bless...
Can we have this stream up until the finals?
most likely they done after group stage
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On February 24 2021 00:10 Xamo wrote:
Harstem and Lambo commenting are such a bless...
Can we have this stream up until the finals?
Amen
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How didn't Bunny win this game vs Dark. I saw him win that big fight at bottom and switched streams. What happened?
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On February 24 2021 00:10 Xamo wrote:
Harstem and Lambo commenting are such a bless...
Can we have this stream up until the finals?
+1
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On February 24 2021 00:15 Luolis wrote:
How didn't Bunny win this game vs Dark. I saw him win that big fight at bottom and switched streams. What happened?
A little overly cautious perhaps
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On February 24 2021 00:17 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 00:15 Luolis wrote:
How didn't Bunny win this game vs Dark. I saw him win that big fight at bottom and switched streams. What happened? A little overly cautious perhaps
His late game didn't look too bad on oxyde but he is totally lost here
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Bunny cam is full of drama
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Dark looking strong! Serral even stronger :p
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Damn, that's not everyday you see a terran in a confortable position losing to ultras base comp without spellcasters in a good late game set up.
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United States23455 Posts
Meanwhile Special won game 1 with mech but hasn't looked great since. Inno about to win 2-1
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Inno es looking good? So we are waiting ASOME games: Dark vs Innovation and Serral vs Innovation! Can't wait!
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United States23455 Posts
Harstem's stream got not one but two series ahead haha
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On February 24 2021 00:17 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 00:15 Luolis wrote:
How didn't Bunny win this game vs Dark. I saw him win that big fight at bottom and switched streams. What happened? A little overly cautious perhaps
Yeah, felt like an application of Artosis’ beloved maxim ‘when ahead, get more ahead’ going wrong.
Bunny may not have choked Dark out but he had him in a hold and under pressure and he let go to consolidate. Sometimes especially with a player of Dark’s calibre they’re going to regroup and kick your ass if you don’t seize your openings.
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Canada8989 Posts
I'm having adds for some special gamer, esports... eye-drops?
What will marketing invent next.
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United States23455 Posts
Noooo Bunny how did you not know he had picked up his bio?
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Is it looking like Dark, Serral, and INno making it out? I didn't catch the first round of games but the expected three all took 2-0s
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On February 24 2021 00:46 Fango wrote:
Is it looking like Dark, Serral, and INno making it out? I didn't catch the first round of games but the expected three all took 2-0s
Yes, INno took the 2-1 vs Special after
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classic 12 pool macro opener from dark love it
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On February 24 2021 00:33 Nakajin wrote:
I'm having adds for some special gamer, esports... eye-drops?
What will marketing invent next.
RGB contact lenses.
Gaming gear is just bizarre, a strange hodgepodge of gear that is either worse or significantly more expensive than office equipment and specialist audio gear.
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So it really is the best build.
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Did Serral just accidentally blow up his own baneling? Or did Dark bait it out and the combination of ping difference made it appear so?
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Is there a delay in the audio on the main stream or is it just me? I think it was like that yesterday as well. At least with PiG.
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On February 24 2021 00:51 sashkata wrote:
Is there a delay in the audio on the main stream or is it just me? I think it was like that yesterday as well. At least with PiG.
Pig is super delayed.
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Dark turned out to be foreigner's crushing dream once again. I hoped this true.
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Dark saving builds, obviously. Bet even he's surprised that worked
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On February 24 2021 00:52 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 00:51 sashkata wrote:
Is there a delay in the audio on the main stream or is it just me? I think it was like that yesterday as well. At least with PiG. Pig is super delayed.
Ahh, thought it was my shitty connection.
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On February 24 2021 00:51 sashkata wrote:
Is there a delay in the audio on the main stream or is it just me? I think it was like that yesterday as well. At least with PiG.
Yeah they've definitely been noticeably a few seconds behind what's happening on screen. Especially PiG
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United States23455 Posts
Bunny getting bopped by TIME is so awful for his chances. He was probably always gonna lose to Dark/Serral but if he could've beat TIME and Special he'd have a chance vs Inno. Now he's gotta get a crazy upset
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On February 24 2021 00:54 sneakyfox wrote:
Lambo in shambles btw
He always is when watching Dark or Rogue play "wrong"
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I mean just because a bad build wins doesn't mean it's not bad anymore.
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On February 24 2021 00:57 darklycid wrote:
I mean just because a bad build wins doesn't mean it's not bad anymore.
and when a player regularly wins with bad builds?
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I watched that only banneling exploding next to his Hatchery... Omg... And ping delay audio... I was so confused... I just hope Serral and Dark both make it to Ro.12...
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On February 24 2021 00:56 Fango wrote:He always is when watching Dark or Rogue play "wrong"
They should hold an actual starcraft presidential debate with Lambo and Solar at the next HSC
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kinda wish Dark just did 12 pool again lol
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On February 24 2021 00:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 00:57 darklycid wrote:
I mean just because a bad build wins doesn't mean it's not bad anymore. and when a player regularly wins with bad builds?
The goal isn't to win championships, it's to play right.
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United States23455 Posts
Probably not ideal that Dark got hard supply blocked right when he wanted to flood lings
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20 more lings, dark obviously scared of playing midgame vs serral
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On February 24 2021 00:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 00:57 darklycid wrote:
I mean just because a bad build wins doesn't mean it's not bad anymore. and when a player regularly wins with bad builds?
Then we move him into the Bad Batch? 
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how can you play this ling bane war with ping?
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Playing cross server is definitely visible in lingbane skirmishes
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remember kids, put queens in your nydus first
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Ok that series was crucial
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Dark is somewhat destroying Serral here,
Looks a lot like those last finals.
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that was a one-sided series
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Dark has Serral figured out at this point. Was in complete control the whole time.
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dark crushed him
though i dunno why the F serral didn't send queens through the nydus
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Dark 6-0 streak against Serral damn
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Idk what's up with Serral's ZvZ this past year, it used to be his best matchup but now looks like his worst.
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ZvZ must be incredibly frustrating to play
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Canada8989 Posts
On February 24 2021 01:05 GoloSC2 wrote:
remember kids, put queens in your nydus first
He lost most of his queen to the lings, I don't think he had enough in any case.
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HAHAHAHAHA Dark i love you
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Dark's 2015-2018 is coming back to haunt Serral. He is no longer Serral's punching bag.
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United States23455 Posts
TIME vs Special fairly entertaining on the B stream
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On February 24 2021 01:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ZvZ must be incredibly frustrating to play
not for Dark
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On February 24 2021 01:06 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:05 GoloSC2 wrote:
remember kids, put queens in your nydus first He lost most of his queen to the lings, I don't think he had enough in any case.
Yea those Queen snipes were super clutch.
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Serral looked completely lost vs the early aggression.
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On February 24 2021 01:06 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:05 GoloSC2 wrote:
remember kids, put queens in your nydus first He lost most of his queen to the lings, I don't think he had enough in any case.
Yeah losing three queens moments before the nydus attack was a killer
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Dark on a pretty good streak now.
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On February 24 2021 01:07 swarminfestor wrote:
Dark's 2015-2018 is coming back to haunt Serral. He is no longer Serral's punching bag.
Dark and Serral take turns being each others punching bag
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On February 24 2021 01:06 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:05 GoloSC2 wrote:
remember kids, put queens in your nydus first He lost most of his queen to the lings, I don't think he had enough in any case.
but shouldnt he then have abandoned it altogether? i mean the nydus got scouted, dark would be looking for it, no way it would go up undetected
maybe serral felt he was already in a really bad spot so he tried it anyways, i dunno
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Dark's reaction to spotting the nydus was crucial, being able to deny the first one and then killing the queens in the second was so clutch
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On February 24 2021 01:05 GoloSC2 wrote:
remember kids, put queens in your nydus first
u dont remember dark killed 4 queens a minute earlier?
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On February 24 2021 01:06 travis wrote:
dark crushed him
though i dunno why the F serral didn't send queens through the nydus
Because queens died while defending the previous ling push.
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Someone put Lambo on suicide watch
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Canada8989 Posts
By the way, with that Dark become the first Korean in forever with a positive score against Serral, 4-4 in match 15-12 in maps
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serral looks so weak to early zvz match up
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So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno.
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and the EU Zerg (i.e., Lambo) still think ling bane early aggression is trash because the defender has the same unit combo plus Queens? It's always easier said than done Lambo.
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Damn Dark with the unpredictable stabs in game 2 really well played.
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On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno.
so far the "predictable" outcome INno - Dark - Serral in whichever order looks more likely than ever
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On February 24 2021 01:09 sneakyfox wrote:
Someone put Lambo on suicide watch
the entire caster desk
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On February 24 2021 01:09 Nakajin wrote:
By the way, with that Dark become the first Korean in forever with a positive score against Serral, 4-4 in match 15-12 in maps
That could be the reason why Dark used to be foreigner's crusher dream with perfect scores before.
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Serral really needs to dodge ZvZs if he wants to win.
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On February 24 2021 01:11 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:09 Nakajin wrote:
By the way, with that Dark become the first Korean in forever with a positive score against Serral, 4-4 in match 15-12 in maps That could be the reason why Dark used to be foreigner's crusher dream with perfect scores before.
Hurricane still has a positive record and Byun had before TSL6 just three months ago. Not really in forever.
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On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno.
It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st
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United States23455 Posts
We still hype up landed vikings getting picked up by medivacs like select wasn't doing that in 2010
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On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st
IDK, INno still has one last tvt to navigate through, he could slip up.
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On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st
Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to make it.
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On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru.
it's really ridiculous how much easier this group is than A overall, Serral often gets lucky with his groups and bracket draws
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This series was just as terrible for Serral as TSL6 and played out in a very similar way.
He lost to ling flood after a successful early defense once more and tried to nydus Dark before mutas once again; he knows Dark wants to go mutalisks, Dark knows he wants to allin so why doesn't he do something different?
It's probably the first time Serral gets rekt by the same strategies in two instances so far in time(he lost multiple times to the same strategies in the same tournaments before), I'm frankly disappointed.
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On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru.
honestly I thought TIME and Bunny had potential - wasn't too confident for Special. TIME could still do something... But yeah, probably Dark INno Serral now.
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On February 24 2021 01:17 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru. it's really ridiculous how much easier this group is than A overall, Serral often gets lucky with his groups and bracket draws
Yea I'm sure it's just "luck" that Serral always manages to avoid Groups of Death.
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It's kinda confusing how Serral can be an EU zerg and have ZvZ be his worst matchup.
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On February 24 2021 01:19 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:17 Die4Ever wrote:On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru. it's really ridiculous how much easier this group is than A overall, Serral often gets lucky with his groups and bracket draws Yea I'm sure it's just "luck" that Serral always manages to avoid Groups of Death.
Yes?
Also he dosen't
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On February 24 2021 01:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru. honestly I thought TIME and Bunny had potential - wasn't too confident for Special. TIME could still do something... But yeah, probably Dark INno Serral now.
They had potential to upset the standings between the top 3 by taking a series. Not so much potential to steal a third place.
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Is there any world where Serral doesn't get out? Even if he loses to INno he would need some 3-2 tie shenanigans to not make it
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On February 24 2021 01:19 dysenterymd wrote:
It's kinda confusing how Serral can be an EU zerg and have ZvZ be his worst matchup.
No it actually makes a lot of sense. ZvZ doesn't play to Serral's strengths..
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On February 24 2021 01:15 Waxangel wrote:I think ppl take a little bit too much glee in Serral's ZvZ losses... stupid is kinda how ZvZ is supposed to be losing 0-3 to Cure is a much bigger "the sky is falling!" moment and he got over that 
Let me disagree. ZvZ was a very interesting, more stable and definitely not stupid matchup in previous metas!
The problem with Serral's ZvZ(especially against Dark) is that he is not finding an answer, it's awful.
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On February 24 2021 01:21 Fango wrote:
Is there any world where Serral doesn't get out? Even if he loses to INno he would need some 3-2 tie shenanigans to not make it
Sure, if Time beats him (it's not an impossibility) he can steal third place.
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On February 24 2021 01:21 Fango wrote:
Is there any world where Serral doesn't get out? Even if he loses to INno he would need some 3-2 tie shenanigans to not make it
Well it's the same for everyone, he would need to lose to Time or Bunny.
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On February 24 2021 01:22 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:21 Fango wrote:
Is there any world where Serral doesn't get out? Even if he loses to INno he would need some 3-2 tie shenanigans to not make it Well it's the same for everyone, he would need to lose to Time or Bunny.
Yeah but I'm assuming him losing to Time or Bunny is just never gonna happen
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On February 24 2021 01:21 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:19 dysenterymd wrote:
It's kinda confusing how Serral can be an EU zerg and have ZvZ be his worst matchup. No it actually makes a lot of sense. ZvZ doesn't play to Serral's strengths..
I agree with you this time. ZvZ as it is now doesn't play to Serral's strenghts unlike it did in the past and, in addition to that, Serral has been quite stubborn refusing to go mutalisks and giving his opponents an edge letting them know he hates that strat.
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On February 24 2021 01:21 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 24 2021 01:16 Morbidius wrote:On February 24 2021 01:14 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 01:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
So I'm pretty confident Innovation will beat Dark convincingly in the next round. Serral still has a shot at first place in this group if he can beat Inno. It was always gonna be Dark INno Serral but Serral basically needs to beat INno, and have INno beat Dark, to get 1st Yeah, this is the easiest group in the sense that the top 3 players are almost guaranteed to pull thru. honestly I thought TIME and Bunny had potential - wasn't too confident for Special. TIME could still do something... But yeah, probably Dark INno Serral now. They had potential to upset the standings between the top 3 by taking a series. Not so much potential to steal a third place.
well I don't necessarily agree, I think you could come up quite easily with not too unlikely scenarios where TIME or Bunny got top 3. But ofc the top 3 we'll probably get was expected, and quite logically so
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On February 24 2021 01:23 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:22 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 01:21 Fango wrote:
Is there any world where Serral doesn't get out? Even if he loses to INno he would need some 3-2 tie shenanigans to not make it Well it's the same for everyone, he would need to lose to Time or Bunny. Yeah but I'm assuming him losing to Time or Bunny is just never gonna happen
Then I guess, there's a world where Time 2-0 Special and Dark, and Dark beat INno and Serral drop maps against the two Terran and we got some math to do.
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On February 24 2021 01:14 Darkhorse wrote:
We still hype up landed vikings getting picked up by medivacs like select wasn't doing that in 2010
It's always funny. Also Phoenixes lifting landed Vikings.
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Special should just keep playing mech in TvT.
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Alright, now is Dark going to go for his trademark ill advised Ravager style? Probably.
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sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row?
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On February 24 2021 01:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
Alright, now is Dark going to go for his trademark ill advised Ravager style? Probably.
Hey it works against broken wrists Byun!
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On February 24 2021 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row?
They did the same thing with Solar yesterday.
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On February 24 2021 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row? They did the same thing with Solar yesterday.
No, solar maru was main stage
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On February 24 2021 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row?
Yeah. Dark-Bunny didn't have to be on main stream, should have given someone else the spotlight.
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fun fact about inno, he only camera hotkeys main,natural, and army rally so he’s always slow on reacting to runbys at other bases
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On February 24 2021 01:31 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 24 2021 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row? They did the same thing with Solar yesterday. No, solar maru was main stage
I meant they had Solar on the main stage repeatedly.
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On February 24 2021 01:31 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:30 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 24 2021 01:29 Argonauta wrote:
sad thing is that either special or time are not going to enjoy main stream exposure and that saddens me. Thry did it perfectly yesterday showing all players why 3 dark games in a row? They did the same thing with Solar yesterday. No, solar maru was main stage
Maru/Solar, Byun/Solar and Clem/Solar. Three Solar games in a row.
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Dark is actually pretty good at ZvZ when he doesn't stubbornly insist on playing Ling/Ravager every game.
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oh yeah but i was more about showing at least one game of each pmayer in main stage, i though you mean somar wasnt shown.
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that muta flock did so much
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If you're gonna beat Dark you can't make that many mistakes Inno.
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Special-Time are playing a classic right now
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Bunny keeps looking strong in defeat, like a Terran RagnaroK 
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Straight forward results but there have been some good games today
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1-1 Time-Special, if Special win this the top three are essentially lock in.
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On February 24 2021 01:12 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral really needs to dodge ZvZs if he wants to win.
He is lucky the current patch isn't zerg favor.
A true patchzerg I guess x)
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On February 24 2021 01:41 Nakajin wrote:
1-1 Time-Special, if Special win this the top three are essentially lock in.
pretty much yeah
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How come no terrans play mech in TvZ right now? I remember seeing plenty of terran mech in eras when zerg units seemed to be stronger than today.
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On February 24 2021 01:42 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:12 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral really needs to dodge ZvZs if he wants to win. He is lucky the current patch isn't zerg favor. A true patchzerg I guess x)
Great post
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Ugh, this smells like Ultras into lose.
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On February 24 2021 01:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
How come no terrans play mech in TvZ right now? I remember seeing plenty of terran mech in eras when zerg units seemed to be stronger than today.
Lots of reasons but the biggest is that the current map pool sucks for it.
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On February 24 2021 01:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ugh, this smells like Ultras into lose.
I don't think there is any way that Dark will lose this.
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thats an unholy amount of lings
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Wow Dark is probably going to 10-0 this group.
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Are we allowed to start calling TIME mini TY... or dare I say... TYME
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On February 24 2021 01:49 Charoisaur wrote:
Dark is perfect
Yes, sometimes, I think you hyped him a bit too much but he is terrific.
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putting dark into the 0 protoss group playing out well
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Well Dark is running away with 1st place in this group. He just 4-0'd his biggest competition in this group.
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Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape.
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That's the Dark from 2019
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Dark looking like a beast today. If he goes 10-0 (and it's looking very likely at this point) that will be quite a statement.
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On February 24 2021 01:50 Darkhorse wrote:
Are we allowed to start calling TIME mini TY... or dare I say... TYME
Well TY was praising TIME's talent very early on so there's that.
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On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape.
Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet
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On February 24 2021 01:52 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape. Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet
I'm very curious to see the shape Rogue's in too.
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On February 24 2021 01:52 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape. Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet
I'm not (wrote 'so far'). It's going to be very interesting to see what shape Trap and Reynor are in tomorrow. And Rogue and Stats on Thursday.
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On February 24 2021 01:54 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:52 Darkhorse wrote:On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape. Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet I'm not (wrote 'so far'). It's going to be very interesting to see what shape Trap and Reynor are in tomorrow. And Rogue and Stats on Thursday.
same !!! I'd add Zest and Cure to the list.
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On February 24 2021 01:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:54 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 01:52 Darkhorse wrote:On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape. Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet I'm not (wrote 'so far'). It's going to be very interesting to see what shape Trap and Reynor are in tomorrow. And Rogue and Stats on Thursday. same !!! I'd add Zest and Cure to the list.
Cure was so bad against Parting in Super Tournament that I've abandoned hope for him haha
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On February 24 2021 01:55 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:54 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 01:52 Darkhorse wrote:On February 24 2021 01:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Well Dark is definitely the top contender for the championship so far.
Good timing by the world champ to get back in shape. Don't forget we haven't seen Trap yet I'm not (wrote 'so far'). It's going to be very interesting to see what shape Trap and Reynor are in tomorrow. And Rogue and Stats on Thursday. same !!! I'd add Zest and Cure to the list.
Oh yeah, Zest too. Not sure that Cure could be in championship form but interesting nonetheless.
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Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders.
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humble interview by Dark 
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On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders.
the bracket will play a huge role I think. The state of the game appears to be quite a lot better than expected. The elimination phase should be amazing.
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On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders.
I wouldn't favor him over Trap
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On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders.
That's why the tournament is so interesting. And now we're getting some good insight into their current form.
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Bunny has got to be so tired of playing late TvZ and slowly getting whittled down
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On February 24 2021 01:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders. I wouldn't favor him over Trap
I'd consider Serral vs Trap about 50-50, all depends on how sharp the builds Serral brings are. Last chance showed hydra bane printer won't cut it. I think Serral is favored against all Terran though.
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On February 24 2021 02:00 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders. That's why the tournament is so interesting. And now we're getting some good insight into their current form.
I have to say I'm not very reassured by what I see from Serral. But in elimination matches he'll remain formidably dangerous
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On February 24 2021 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:00 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders. That's why the tournament is so interesting. And now we're getting some good insight into their current form. I have to say I'm not very reassured by what I see from Serral. But in elimination matches he'll remain formidably dangerous
Serral looked lost in his ZvZ, but so far i haven't been concerned for him once in these TvZ games (albeit they were vs Special and Bunny).
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On February 24 2021 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:00 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders. That's why the tournament is so interesting. And now we're getting some good insight into their current form. I have to say I'm not very reassured by what I see from Serral. But in elimination matches he'll remain formidably dangerous
No but it has been ZvZ causing him the most problems this year. So as you said the bracket is going to decide so much. Dark does like a player who will beat anyone though.
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On February 24 2021 02:04 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 24 2021 02:00 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 01:58 dysenterymd wrote:
Honestly I can see any of TY, Dark, Serral, Maru, Trap, Reynor, or Rogue taking the tournament. Serral needs to avoid Dark and Reynor in the bracket but should be even or favored against all the other contenders. That's why the tournament is so interesting. And now we're getting some good insight into their current form. I have to say I'm not very reassured by what I see from Serral. But in elimination matches he'll remain formidably dangerous Serral looked lost in his ZvZ, but so far i haven't been concerned for him once in these TvZ games (albeit they were vs Special and Bunny).
he looked fine but I expected him to look a bit more dominant, a bit sharper. I'm probably harsh on him though.
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Love to see Time going for a crazy build against Dark.
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On February 24 2021 02:08 Nakajin wrote:
WTF is that Time build?
dunno but I love it ^^ (probably that build centered on snipes that he's already displayed)
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Cool that TIME v Serral is the final match today. If we're lucky it could decide the 3rd place.
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no one remembers soO 
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On February 24 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:no one remembers soO
It's appalling. How can they forget that.
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well TIME was playing a pretty good game until that
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On February 24 2021 02:13 Darkhorse wrote:
well TIME was playing a pretty good game until that
yeah... Dark was already in control, now he should just be cruising
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Dark really seems to bring every style to the table today, it remind me of the sOs or Classic of old
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On February 24 2021 02:16 Nakajin wrote:
Dark really seems to bring every style to the table today, it remind me of the sOs or Classic of old
yeah everything flows effortlessly and he seems to be able to win with more or less anything. He's definitely looking like the top contender by quite a margin so far.
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did someone 10-0 in groups before?
i think dark could be the first
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On February 24 2021 02:18 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:16 Nakajin wrote:
Dark really seems to bring every style to the table today, it remind me of the sOs or Classic of old yeah everything flows effortlessly and he seems to be able to win with more or less anything. He's definitely looking like the top contender by quite a margin so far.
He's also in the easiest group by quite a margin so far
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On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first
Yeah several times.
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On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times.
Not in Katowice iirc
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On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first
Nope!
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On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times.
not with the current format.
Classic was the closest with 10-1
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Did not expect that many Hellions to be stopped that hard.
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On February 24 2021 02:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. Not in Katowice iirc
I'll be damned. Just checked a bit, in 2018 all groups were swept by a player, but still no 10-0.
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I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye?
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On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye?
Running past the Queens is normal, but he reacted poorly to the 'lings.
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Inno needs some lessons from TY on how to drive those blue cars.
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So Inno saw this attack coming, scanned to confirm it was still coming, and the defensive measures he decided to set up were... nothing.
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Well at least Serral's ZvT is looking incredible, let's hope terran patch is real for his sake.
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Very questionable decision making from Inno here.
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On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye?
Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl.
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On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl.
What is this Lambo meme?
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On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl.
I mean I was watching main stream which was Pig and ZG I think
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On February 24 2021 02:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. Not in Katowice iirc
AcE and MMA both 10-0'd their groups in the earlier IEM WC's (when they were in hanover)
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The game wasn't looking bad for TIME but then it went to shit.
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On February 24 2021 02:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. not with the current format. Classic was the closest with 10-1
Early 2018 Classic was a monster. He could have won both Katowice and WeSG if zerg wasn't cruising such a ridiculous ZvP winrate.
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On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme?
Well, I feel like he is clearly less objective in assessing situation and trade when he is talking about serral, some have been pretty vocal about this, I don't think it's a meme at all, it's ok to be fan of someone.
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On February 24 2021 02:31 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme? Well, I feel like he is clearly less objective in assessing situation and trade when he is talking about serral, some have been pretty vocal about this, I don't think it's a meme at all, it's ok to be fan of someone.
Lambo is not casting the Serral game....
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On February 24 2021 02:32 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:31 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme? Well, I feel like he is clearly less objective in assessing situation and trade when he is talking about serral, some have been pretty vocal about this, I don't think it's a meme at all, it's ok to be fan of someone. Lambo is not casting the Serral game....
He casted the one against bunny, I wasn't speaking about this game specifically.
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On February 24 2021 02:29 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:20 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. Not in Katowice iirc AcE and MMA both 10-0'd their groups in the earlier IEM WC's (when they were in hanover)
Those seem in similar vain to Maru going 10-0 in his WeSG group.
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On February 24 2021 02:33 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:32 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:31 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme? Well, I feel like he is clearly less objective in assessing situation and trade when he is talking about serral, some have been pretty vocal about this, I don't think it's a meme at all, it's ok to be fan of someone. Lambo is not casting the Serral game.... He casted the one against bunny, I wasn't speaking about this game specifically.
The post you quoted was talking about the game vs Innovation?? :D
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On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme?
Lambo has at times been very critical of and even mocking Korean Zergs and in particular ZvZ. So now it's entertaining to mention him whenever Korean zergs do well. In particular when they beat EU top zergs.
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Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation...
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what that hell was that scv pull by inno lol
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On February 24 2021 02:34 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:33 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:32 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:31 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:29 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:28 stilt wrote:On February 24 2021 02:24 Darkhorse wrote:
I know they gotta hype Serral's defense there but like... it was helped by Inno just move commanding his hellions into a surround ye? Lambo has probably the biggest casting biais toward Serral, it doesn't bother me obviously but I can understand why it can trigger some ppl. What is this Lambo meme? Well, I feel like he is clearly less objective in assessing situation and trade when he is talking about serral, some have been pretty vocal about this, I don't think it's a meme at all, it's ok to be fan of someone. Lambo is not casting the Serral game.... He casted the one against bunny, I wasn't speaking about this game specifically. The post you quoted was talking about the game vs Innovation?? :D
Ok, this was a bit misleading I concede.
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On February 24 2021 02:33 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:29 Waxangel wrote:On February 24 2021 02:20 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. Not in Katowice iirc AcE and MMA both 10-0'd their groups in the earlier IEM WC's (when they were in hanover) Those seem in similar vain to Maru going 10-0 in his WeSG group.
MMA had viOlet and JYP in his group at least. And AcE was himself barely a GSL player.
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How does Inno just keep letting Banes roll into his third?
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Dark and Serral make ZvT look unfair
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Jesus Innovation didn't even make it entertaining
Gotta give some props to Bunny for at least making Serral work for it
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On February 24 2021 02:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Dark and Serral make ZvT look unfair
Dark makes ZvZ look unfair...
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On February 24 2021 02:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Dark and Serral make ZvT look unfair
fortunately Z can still get their armies nuked
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Serral hasn't looked like he's in danger of losing the game at any point in these ZvTs.
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On February 24 2021 02:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:33 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 02:29 Waxangel wrote:On February 24 2021 02:20 Fango wrote:On February 24 2021 02:19 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:18 ShAd_1337 wrote:did someone 10-0 in groups before? i think dark could be the first Yeah several times. Not in Katowice iirc AcE and MMA both 10-0'd their groups in the earlier IEM WC's (when they were in hanover) Those seem in similar vain to Maru going 10-0 in his WeSG group. MMA had viOlet and JYP in his group at least. And AcE was himself barely a GSL player.
anyway it's part of the same lineage
i hate discounting old results because they're old
take a hint from soccer and baseball
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On February 24 2021 02:35 JoeCool wrote:
Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation...
Well, there's nothing in SC2 that I would like to see more than peak-Has .
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Is Special going to win his second battlecruiser game of the day?
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that looked so easy for serral
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On February 24 2021 02:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:35 JoeCool wrote:
Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation... Well, there's nothing in SC2 that I would like to see more than peak-Has .
Doesn't seem like the universe is listening to either of you
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On February 24 2021 02:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:35 JoeCool wrote:
Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation... Well, there's nothing in SC2 that I would like to see more than peak-Has .
peak-Rogue is my personal favorite. Equally impressive and disgusting.
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If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right?
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in the last few years Inno has been kinda like the korean Heromarine. Always consistent but rarely beating the absolute top players
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On February 24 2021 02:40 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On February 24 2021 02:35 JoeCool wrote:
Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation... Well, there's nothing in SC2 that I would like to see more than peak-Has . Doesn't seem like the universe is listening to either of you
Probably for the best. The universe listening to me would surely be a disaster.
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Inno didn't look in shape to be fair, he reacted a bit late each time to bane run by and the first time he stacked the 18 vcs.
GG Serral nonetheless.
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Now watch as Serral struggles more against TIME than against Inno or Bunny
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On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right?
If Inno loses to Bunny yes.
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On February 24 2021 02:41 Charoisaur wrote:
in the last few years Inno has been kinda like the korean Heromarine. Always consistent but rarely beating the absolute top players
he seems to be coasting, maybe he should do military service early and come back revitalized
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On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes.
If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1.
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There is a decent shot the zergs got 16-0 today :o
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On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1.
What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special
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On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special
Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why.
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On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why.
Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario.
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On February 24 2021 02:53 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why. Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario.
Blasphemy!
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We sure have seen a lot of late game so far this IEM
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On February 24 2021 02:53 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why. Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario.
Jesus dude, are you trying to get us all killed
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On February 24 2021 02:57 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:53 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why. Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario. Jesus dude, are you trying to get us all killed
so Bunny aiming for a 2-0 vs INno to hope to qualify while TIME has to win at least one game to ensure qual ? I dig that scenario.
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On February 24 2021 02:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:57 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:53 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why. Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario. Jesus dude, are you trying to get us all killed so Bunny aiming for a 2-0 vs INno to hope to qualify while TIME has to win at least one game to ensure qual ? I dig that scenario.
For TIME any result could be decisive, depending on the result of INno vs Bunny
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On February 24 2021 03:03 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:On February 24 2021 02:57 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 02:53 Luolis wrote:On February 24 2021 02:52 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:47 Elentos wrote:On February 24 2021 02:44 Nakajin wrote:On February 24 2021 02:43 dysenterymd wrote:On February 24 2021 02:41 Nakajin wrote:
If Time win more maps vs Serral than INno vs Bunny he's in right? If Inno loses to Bunny yes. If INno win vs Bunny he can still go out if Time beat Serral 2-0 while he win 2-1. What if they both lose 0-2 and Bunny goes 4-0 against Inno and Special Liquipedia tell me it doesn't work, but I'm to stupid to get why. Liquipedia is wrong. Bunny can still make it in that scenario. Jesus dude, are you trying to get us all killed so Bunny aiming for a 2-0 vs INno to hope to qualify while TIME has to win at least one game to ensure qual ? I dig that scenario. For TIME any result could be decisive, depending on the result of INno vs Bunny
yeah I meant if Bunny 2-0s. We really got the best outcome honestly, the series will probably be exciting with the 3rd spot on the line
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Time went up 2-1 on Serral the last time they met, btw
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Well if Dark win that one, I'm ready to hand him the trophy
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So presuming Serral beats TIME, it's simply the winner of Inno-Bunny who takes 3rd place?
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On February 24 2021 03:10 Waxangel wrote:
Time went up 2-1 on Serral the last time they met, btw
In 2020 ? I forgot, but overall even if I didn't follow the chinese teamleague, last year didn't seem as good as 2019 for TIME. Serral should be able to take this.
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On February 24 2021 03:10 Waxangel wrote:
Time went up 2-1 on Serral the last time they met, btw
Welp not this time. This is a super gimmick opener and Serral scouted it.
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On February 24 2021 02:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 02:35 JoeCool wrote:
Theres nothing in SC2 I'd like to see more than peak-Innovation... Well, there's nothing in SC2 that I would like to see more than peak-Has .
Ah yes WCS 2015, Season 1. Has vs. Bunny, the DTs that broke Kaelaris. Or are we talking about Has @IEM Shanghai?
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On February 24 2021 03:14 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 03:10 Waxangel wrote:
Time went up 2-1 on Serral the last time they met, btw In 2020 ? I forgot, but overall even if I didn't follow the chinese teamleague, last year didn't seem as good as 2019 for TIME. Serral should be able to take this.
yeah DH Masters Winter. TIME went up 2-1 in the quarters but Serral came back.
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On February 24 2021 03:20 ShAd_1337 wrote:
now bunny is out
Well not if he wins and TIME doesn't?
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TIME kinda threw his lead...
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On February 24 2021 03:24 sneakyfox wrote:Well not if he wins and TIME doesn't?
If TIME loses 2-0 and Bunny wins 2-1 they're both 5-7 with TIME ahead in h2h.
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On February 24 2021 03:24 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 03:24 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 03:20 ShAd_1337 wrote:
now bunny is out Well not if he wins and TIME doesn't? If TIME loses 2-0 and Bunny wins 2-1 they're both 5-7 with TIME ahead in h2h.
Ok, but in that case Inno is also at 5-7 so he's in it too. Not sure how we end up.
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TIME really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that push down the center
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On February 24 2021 03:27 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 03:24 DBooN wrote:On February 24 2021 03:24 sneakyfox wrote:On February 24 2021 03:20 ShAd_1337 wrote:
now bunny is out Well not if he wins and TIME doesn't? If TIME loses 2-0 and Bunny wins 2-1 they're both 5-7 with TIME ahead in h2h. Ok, but in that case Inno is also at 5-7 so he's in it too. Not sure how we end up.
SOrry, meant to say they're both 4-7, so INno advances.
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Bunny bungled that attack so hard
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On February 24 2021 03:28 Darkhorse wrote:
TIME really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that push down the center
It was a big mistake, but I don't think victory was in his jaws previously. He went from a fairly advantageous position to a moderately disadvantageous one.
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On February 24 2021 03:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 03:28 Darkhorse wrote:
TIME really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with that push down the center It was a big mistake, but I don't think victory was in his jaws previously. He went from a fairly advantageous position to a moderately disadvantageous one.
I mean as the casters pointed out he could've walked through the south side and killed Serral's bottom left base off creep and I don't think Serral comes back after losing his north and south bases. Instead Serral got to keep his bottom left and killed all of TIME's army
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On February 24 2021 03:14 Nakajin wrote:
Well if Dark win that one, I'm ready to hand him the trophy
so hand it too him now
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Poor TIME is fighting for his life, doesn't know that he is already dead.
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Have any of the zergs gone for a broodlord transition in all the lategame tvzs today?
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On February 24 2021 03:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Have any of the zergs gone for a broodlord transition in all the lategame tvzs today?
Yes, Dark did vs Bunny
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On February 24 2021 03:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Have any of the zergs gone for a broodlord transition in all the lategame tvzs today?
Yes Dark did vs Bunny. So audacious he's not even afraid of the nukes.
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Dark again incredibly far behind
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On February 24 2021 03:37 sneakyfox wrote:
Poor TIME is fighting for his life, doesn't know that he is already dead.
He played really well, just before serral decisive push on the third which led to the destruction of his prod he managed to get at 39-51k in term of trade while denying 2 bases
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On February 24 2021 03:39 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Have any of the zergs gone for a broodlord transition in all the lategame tvzs today?
I believe someone did but it seems mostly unnecessary so long as you keep the Terran on the back foot enough as Serral has done. If they can't secure enough bases and trade efficiently they will never have enough tanks/ghosts to force you off lurker/viper anyway
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On February 24 2021 03:42 Charoisaur wrote:
Dark again incredibly far behind
lol, he'll probably win this one after 40 minutes and keep the perfect score alive
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again special attacks seconds before 2-2
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On February 24 2021 03:43 TheLordofAwesome wrote:lol, he'll probably win this one after 40 minutes and keep the perfect score alive
okay he somehow held.
10-0!
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"Dark is dead" I say, walking to the kitchen to get tea.
I return to see a 4th base defended by nearly maxed hydra lurker viper.
Dark is insane.
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but forgetting Lurker range could cost him
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On February 24 2021 03:42 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 03:37 sneakyfox wrote:
Poor TIME is fighting for his life, doesn't know that he is already dead. He played really well, just before serral decisive push on the third which led to the destruction of his prod he managed to get at 39-51k in term of trade while denying 2 bases
Yeah I meant that he's already out of the tournament.
At least for him this last horrible game doesn't mean anything.
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Dark cares so little he was fighting Special's marine army and in the same frame you can see 30 lings just breaking rocks instead of helping
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I feel like Serral's ZvT build on Lightshade is just "do something for 8 minutes it doesn't matter, baneling runby into the terran third, win"
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10-0, imagine what Dark could achieve he played well like European Zergs!
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Look at how it doesn't mean anything though. These guys so young it's heartbreaking to watch
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On February 24 2021 03:54 Morbidius wrote:
10-0, imagine what Dark could achieve he played well like European Zergs!
he might have won blizzcon 2018 AND 2019
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TIME is really a nice guy
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Dark won that last 2 games from utterly behind.
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Because this group was so lopsided the games went REALLY quick, I'm not imagining that right, the whole day is done and it's barely 11AM over here.
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On February 24 2021 03:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Because this group was so lopsided the games went REALLY quick, I'm not imagining that right, the whole day is done and it's barely 11AM over here.
Yes the group seems more stacked and the current zvp meta should extend the games.
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On February 24 2021 03:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Because this group was so lopsided the games went REALLY quick, I'm not imagining that right, the whole day is done and it's barely 11AM over here.
three out of five rounds went 2-0 x3; that'll speed things up
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Only caught the first part of the day. Dark in absolute monster mode or the rest of the group’s players being a bit underwhelming? Or somewhere in between?
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On February 24 2021 04:35 WombaT wrote:
Only caught the first part of the day. Dark in absolute monster mode or the rest of the group’s players being a bit underwhelming? Or somewhere in between?
Dark looked unstoppable up until Special got some early-mid game leads. Very easily could have lost both games, but came back and in the end looked unstoppable?
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On February 24 2021 04:35 WombaT wrote:
Only caught the first part of the day. Dark in absolute monster mode or the rest of the group’s players being a bit underwhelming? Or somewhere in between?
Both if you ask me.
You will be submerged by "Dark is perfect" but while he had one of his beast days, Terran players stronger and/or more decisive than Bunny and Special would have won games and possibly series from the situations they were in; as for the ZvZ, Serral played worse than he did in TSL6.
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On February 24 2021 04:43 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 04:35 WombaT wrote:
Only caught the first part of the day. Dark in absolute monster mode or the rest of the group’s players being a bit underwhelming? Or somewhere in between?
Both if you ask me. You will be submerged by "Dark is perfect" but while he had one of his beast days, Terran players stronger and/or more decisive than Bunny and Special would have won games and possibly series from the situations they were in; as for Serral, it was the same as TSL6.
I’ve noticed the European ZvZ thing is also quite the meme now. I mean I know it’s a bit of fun but Lambo was kind of on the money back in what 2019 or whenever he said it no?
Dark did look scary from what I saw but Inno didn’t bring a huge amount to the table when they squared off.
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On February 24 2021 04:00 Fango wrote:
Zerg 16-0 terran today
I don't think this trend will continue tbh
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On February 24 2021 04:53 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2021 04:43 Xain0n wrote:On February 24 2021 04:35 WombaT wrote:
Only caught the first part of the day. Dark in absolute monster mode or the rest of the group’s players being a bit underwhelming? Or somewhere in between?
Both if you ask me. You will be submerged by "Dark is perfect" but while he had one of his beast days, Terran players stronger and/or more decisive than Bunny and Special would have won games and possibly series from the situations they were in; as for Serral, it was the same as TSL6. I’ve noticed the European ZvZ thing is also quite the meme now. I mean I know it’s a bit of fun but Lambo was kind of on the money back in what 2019 or whenever he said it no? Dark did look scary from what I saw but Inno didn’t bring a huge amount to the table when they squared off.
When Lambo brought the topic out, he was perfectly right.
From sometime in the second half of 2018 through the entirety of 2019, european Zerg were almost even against korean ones not considering Serral and decisively ahead if we include him; mid tier EU Zerg were consistently beating their korean counterparts and often punching above their weight in mirror: Namshar defeated Rogue and soO, for example.
This ceased to be true in 2020, both because of Serral not being untouchable anymore and (possibly) because the more standard, lategame oriented style favored by most of the EU Zerg being less effective in the meta.
Inno didn't look sharp in TvZ today.
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I feel like only Trap and couple of top tier Korean terrans can beat Dark. Such a monster player. Well deserved top spot in the group
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Congrats to Dark! Damn, that 10-0!
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Serral's on an 18-0 map win streak in ZvT. Hope he can regain his grasp over ZvZ. It was beautiful watching his burrowed roach play in 2018 but the meta has long changed.
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