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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-22 16:17:23
February 22 2021 16:15 GMT
#121
On February 23 2021 01:14 Darkhorse wrote:
Ok Showtime is gonna be kicking himself for this one

yeah I fear this game breaks his spirit for the rest of the day, as if the path awaiting him wasn't arduous enough
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3511 Posts
February 22 2021 16:15 GMT
#122
Idk showtime just looks to be too patient at the wrong time and then too impatient in other moments.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
February 22 2021 16:16 GMT
#123
Always nice to see a zerg winning a late game zvp but overall Showtime seems a bit off today.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25507 Posts
February 22 2021 16:16 GMT
#124
On February 23 2021 00:55 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote:
On February 23 2021 00:42 CreightonOlsen wrote:
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote:
I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.


I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3

I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.

When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.

Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.

If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.

On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!

See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions

So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream

I guess it’s a preference thing and it’s kind of innately impossible to appeal to both camps, I wonder what the breakdown of each preference is though.

Poll: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference

More information available to viewers (10)
 
71%

Less information available to viewers (4)
 
29%

14 total votes

Your vote: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference

(Vote): More information available to viewers
(Vote): Less information available to viewers



'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
February 22 2021 16:18 GMT
#125
my problem is the overreliance of some casters towards the supply number, sometimes neglecting army quality or even infrastructure advantage
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 22 2021 16:18 GMT
#126
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-22 16:20:50
February 22 2021 16:18 GMT
#127
So TY vs Clem on Harstem's channel?

e: yes, and it's going to be hype af
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-22 16:19:59
February 22 2021 16:19 GMT
#128
Game just feels weird/off to me in the zoomed out view, I only like it for big battles with multiple angled engages
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
February 22 2021 16:19 GMT
#129
Showtime - ByuN with both players hoping to keep their dream alive. Sadly I don't see any of them getting through now.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
February 22 2021 16:20 GMT
#130
On February 23 2021 01:18 Darkhorse wrote:
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams


yes! totally, props to them
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
February 22 2021 16:21 GMT
#131
On February 23 2021 01:20 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2021 01:18 Darkhorse wrote:
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams


yes! totally, props to them

agree

can't wait to see Harstem's deep knowledge of TvT intricacies
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
February 22 2021 16:23 GMT
#132
harstem still more knowledgable than the other casters as a protoss
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
February 22 2021 16:23 GMT
#133
On February 23 2021 01:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2021 01:20 Argonauta wrote:
On February 23 2021 01:18 Darkhorse wrote:
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams


yes! totally, props to them

agree

can't wait to see Harstem's deep knowledge of TvT intricacies

The Harstem/Lambo combo is great. They both have so much knowledge and are good at explaining it.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 22 2021 16:24 GMT
#134
On February 23 2021 01:23 Obamarauder wrote:
harstem still more knowledgable than the other casters as a protoss

not the most knowledgable caster when it comes to pheonix openers tho :p
~~~~~
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 22 2021 16:24 GMT
#135
On February 23 2021 01:18 Darkhorse wrote:
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams


Yeah. Katowice group days with three streams are the best days of SC2.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
February 22 2021 16:25 GMT
#136
On February 23 2021 01:23 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2021 01:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 23 2021 01:20 Argonauta wrote:
On February 23 2021 01:18 Darkhorse wrote:
I'm happy that they're rotating all the players through the three streams


yes! totally, props to them

agree

can't wait to see Harstem's deep knowledge of TvT intricacies

The Harstem/Lambo combo is great. They both have so much knowledge and are good at explaining it.

yeah they're amazing !
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25507 Posts
February 22 2021 16:26 GMT
#137
I’d seen someone link some multi stream link thing on day 1, but wasn’t on my desktop like I’ll be later, anyone able to link if they know what I’m talking about?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 22 2021 16:28 GMT
#138
On February 23 2021 01:26 WombaT wrote:
I’d seen someone link some multi stream link thing on day 1, but wasn’t on my desktop like I’ll be later, anyone able to link if they know what I’m talking about?

https://multistre.am/esl_sc2/esl_sc2b/harstem/layout8/
~~~~~
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 22 2021 16:29 GMT
#139
Alright, time for Maru to not slip up and fall flat on it's face
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33416 Posts
February 22 2021 16:34 GMT
#140
On February 23 2021 01:16 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2021 00:55 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 23 2021 00:53 WombaT wrote:
On February 23 2021 00:42 CreightonOlsen wrote:
On February 23 2021 00:31 Weavel wrote:
I really dislike the overuse of wider camera in the b stream. Everything looks tiny.


I love using Zoomout for bigger coverage of fights. We have the tools to see the whole battlefield, so why deny the spectators information? But I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate the feedback. Will mix things up a bit more, but don't expect too many changes. <3

I like it when it’s used judiciously, to give an idea of where everything is.

When it’s overused I think it can create a bit of a disconnect with what the players can see and what we can see that can kill the drama a bit.

Super Tournament finals for example (my memory is fading with age, the players roles may be reversed) I think it was Zoun sneaking disruptors behind Trap’s army and the observer basically only showed them slightly before Trap got hit by them. Which was a cool bit of drama where the flank bamboozled the viewers almost as much as it did Trap.

If everything was zoomed we’d have lost the element of surprise that made the moment so intense, it would have been ‘oh he’s going for a flank, this is probably going to work’ way before the fact. Still exciting but not as fun.

On the flip side from tuning in to many of your streams I don’t recall it being something you overdo, plus having done it myself it’s really tricky to observe, cast and do both well simultaneously!

See I have to disagree. I personally don't like when info I could have is withheld. I'd like to see as much as possible and draw my own conclusions

So I appreciate the wide shots for the most part unless it is super overused which I didn't particularly notice from the B stream

I guess it’s a preference thing and it’s kind of innately impossible to appeal to both camps, I wonder what the breakdown of each preference is though.

Poll: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference

More information available to viewers (10)
 
71%

Less information available to viewers (4)
 
29%

14 total votes

Your vote: In an ideal world, would you tend towards these as a preference

(Vote): More information available to viewers
(Vote): Less information available to viewers





I'm inclined to think this is a silly poll, but then I remember there are ppl who seriously think we should not have production tabs in SC2 because they belive that's what makes BW good (it's not)
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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