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Waxangel
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2021 03:57 sneakyfox wrote: Whine about Terran whiners (who aren't even present) is getting very old btw Ok. And dw they'll show up soon  | ||
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NotSoHappy
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On January 15 2021 03:55 TentativePanda wrote: I'll forever remember them whining leading up to and even after the 4 Terran semifinals in GSL we had last year. And it got them more buffs and Zerg nerfs. Other races need to take note and whine while ahead too Well as you can see on liquipedia statistics (awesome job btw!) :  Winnings/2020 ; terran still won less prize money than both protoss and zerg (top 10 players of each race), with zerg ahead of the pack ; so ultimately I guess the diverse buffs and nerfs that happened were needed? | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On January 15 2021 03:57 sneakyfox wrote: Whine about Terran whiners (who aren't even present) is getting very old btw Lol You just have to wait for a T defeat for the comment about how queens are unkillable or blink stalkers god damn op. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2021 04:00 Poopi wrote: Well as you can see on liquipedia statistics (awesome job btw!) : Winnings/2020 ; terran still won less prize money than both protoss and zerg, with zerg ahead of the pack ; so ultimately I guess the diverse buffs and nerfs that happened were needed?Seems like an awful way to measure it considering prize pool distribution is abysmal in starcraft 2. Rogue's own IEM 2020 earnings are more than the total prize pool of a GSL season. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33560 Posts
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On January 15 2021 04:03 TentativePanda wrote: Seems like an awful way to measure it considering prize pool distribution is abysmal in starcraft 2. Rogue's own IEM 2020 earnings are more than the total prize pool of a GSL season. Well there is no perfect way to measure it, but for players it's a pretty important measure! We can also use aligulac balance report, that had terran lagging behind in summer 2020, protoss ahead of Z/T and Z in the middle ; it's a lot more even nowadays. I don't know though at which dates patches happened so maybe it's due to natural meta changes and not the patches themselves, idk. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 15 2021 04:07 Poopi wrote: Well there is no perfect way to measure it, but for players it's a pretty important measure! We can also use aligulac balance report, that had terran lagging behind in summer 2020, protoss ahead of Z/T and Z in the middle ; it's a lot more even nowadays. I don't know though at which dates patches happened so maybe it's due to natural meta changes and not the patches themselves, idk. Although my posts probably don't make this obvious, I actually think balance is in a pretty good place. My biggest issue right now is the longstanding problem of Protoss being a gimmicky race - a design problem, not a balance one. Just poking fun at Terran whiners because they whine all the freaking time lol. | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On January 15 2021 04:07 Waxangel wrote: Guys, give it a month or two so we know if this is an actual shift, or just like that 2 month intermission in 2019 where Protoss won a few tournaments and then Zerg won everything again It's nothing a new map pool couldn't fix. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On January 15 2021 03:55 TentativePanda wrote: I'll forever remember them whining leading up to and even after the 4 Terran semifinals in GSL we had last year. And it got them more buffs and Zerg nerfs. Other races need to take note and whine while ahead too Terran had a pretty abysmal IEM so them whining up to that GSL was pretty understandable. I think after that GSL they had a pretty bad streak of results as well from the two season finals in that time-frame being ZvP finals, Zerg dominating all other online events and then GSL S2 being a ZvP finals. Then after that string of results Zerg got nerfed even more and I haven't seen much Terran whine since then. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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LTCM
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On January 15 2021 04:00 Poopi wrote: Well as you can see on liquipedia statistics (awesome job btw!) : Winnings/2020 ; terran still won less prize money than both protoss and zerg (top 10 players of each race), with zerg ahead of the pack ; so ultimately I guess the diverse buffs and nerfs that happened were needed?Ummmmm...not true at all. Top 10 Terrans have have made a lot more money than Top 10 Protoss. Not sure how you are arriving at your numbers. Hint read the table again. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On January 15 2021 08:12 LTCM wrote: Ummmmm...not true at all. Top 10 Terrans have have made a lot more money than Top 10 Protoss. Not sure how you are arriving at your numbers. Hint read the table again. Top 10 terrans have won 728k$, according to liquipedia, and protoss top 10 777k$, in year 2020. Maybe you are thinking of terrans among top 10 versus protoss among top 10. In this case terran won more indeed, 298k$ with 4 players while Protoss won 237k$ with 3, and Zerg leading with 311k$ with 3 players. I was looking for top 10 or 20 of each race because 10 players kor+for is a low sample size, and I found the top 10 by race. | ||
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darklycid
3531 Posts
On January 15 2021 08:18 Poopi wrote: Top 10 terrans have won 728k$, according to liquipedia, and protoss top 10 777k$, in year 2020. Maybe you are thinking of terrans among top 10 versus protoss among top 10. In this case terran won more indeed, 298k$ with 4 players while Protoss won 237k$ with 3, and Zerg leading with 311k$ with 3 players. I was looking for top 10 or 20 of each race because 10 players kor+for is a low sample size, and I found the top 10 by race. Wrong. Terrans in total have earned 728k and toss total 777k only the top 10 is different (terrans have more), which kinda makes sense as toss filled the lower regions of tournaments but performed worse at the top (also regions like tw are pretty toss heavy e.g). | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
On January 15 2021 08:18 Poopi wrote: Top 10 terrans have won 728k$, according to liquipedia, and protoss top 10 777k$, in year 2020. Maybe you are thinking of terrans among top 10 versus protoss among top 10. In this case terran won more indeed, 298k$ with 4 players while Protoss won 237k$ with 3, and Zerg leading with 311k$ with 3 players. I was looking for top 10 or 20 of each race because 10 players kor+for is a low sample size, and I found the top 10 by race. $770,000 over top 10 would be an average of $77,000 per player. How many protoss players made that much or more? | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
So it’s top 10 Protoss won 445k$, terran top 10 527k$, zerg top 10 627k$. Either way I don’t see that as proof that Terran outclassed zergs because of their supposed whines. | ||
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buzz_bender
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