EPTI'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable.
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: In the end Serral found a way to get good engagements this game. he rebooted with his 2019 configuration and remembered how to use BL-Infestor-Spore again  | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:10 JoeCool wrote: Blord/Infestor what year is this?! I largely prefer lurkers play which is way more dynamic but the flying ability and free units which trigger the ff of the tanks makes it a way better option against turtling T with tanks... | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4107 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote: Going late game against Serral is just suicide. I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late  i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote: dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away + in the other late games during asus rog, Byun beat him. (in which serral didn't use BL which was according to lambo a mistake during at least one game) | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote: dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away yes, money fungals really the icing on Serral's late-macro cake. hoping for a great grandfinals series ! | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote: dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote: Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG .Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote: And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG .Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Serral played this series better than the one at ASUS ROG. Thus said, we have yet to see what happens if Byun enters the lategame from an even position today! It might happen later in a regame. | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:29 Xain0n wrote: Serral played this series better than the one at ASUS ROG. Thus said, we have yet to see what happens if Byun enters the lategame from an even position today! It might happen later in a regame. I might actually agree with the CONCLUSION that late-game against Serral should be avoided, but I dislike the process through which that conclusion was reached. From ByuN's situation, with the prior info he had, his gameplan was perfectly reasonable | ||
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serralfan18
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
Right now, they're having a really hard time keeping up more than four bases once zerg has full tech and the standard 6-8 bases. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote: And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG .Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
His current form is probably still top8 in the world though, lol | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4107 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote: Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. Infestor/BL has not been the most common lategame recently though. There definitely are terran lategame comps with thors or vikings that can be tried against that (and which did a lot to push broodlords out of the meta). | ||
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