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On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late  i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples.
So by what logic should Byun know that Serral is going to play differently this time?
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On December 21 2020 05:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. Infestor/BL has not been the most common lategame recently though. There definitely are terran lategame comps with thors or vikings that can be tried against that (and which did a lot to push broodlords out of the meta).
yeah people doesnt remember the +1 range and +1 armor buffs to the thor made BL outdated in 2017, I think Serral is taking advantage of the fact that Terrans seems to move towards and anti lurker late game when they see hydra ling bane in the midgame.
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On December 21 2020 05:29 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Serral played this series better than the one at ASUS ROG. Thus said, we have yet to see what happens if Byun enters the lategame from an even position today! It might happen later in a regame.
what do you mean with even? In game 3 not much happened before lategame and ByuN got quite comfortable there. Zerg is always ahead in bases
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On December 21 2020 05:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. Infestor/BL has not been the most common lategame recently though. There definitely are terran lategame comps with thors or vikings that can be tried against that (and which did a lot to push broodlords out of the meta).
I've never seen a bio player go Thors to counter BLs
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On December 21 2020 05:43 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. Infestor/BL has not been the most common lategame recently though. There definitely are terran lategame comps with thors or vikings that can be tried against that (and which did a lot to push broodlords out of the meta). I've never seen a bio player go Thors to counter BLs
GuMiho could be back mid 2021 ^_^
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On December 21 2020 05:43 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2020 05:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On December 21 2020 05:34 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:27 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:25 Sadistx wrote:On December 21 2020 05:17 Waxangel wrote:On December 21 2020 05:15 Sadistx wrote:
Going late game against Serral is just suicide.
I'm surprised Terran players don't just 8 rax all-in him at 7-8 minutes. Otherwise he makes late game look like WOL broodlord/infestor patchzerg era, except you know, he's actually an insanely good zerg, so his late game comp is unbeatable. dunno why you would think so ByuN outtraded him in every late-game (including asus rog) until this very last game on pillars where Serral figured out how to execute BL-Infestor in a way that wins. Prior to literally the last game we saw, ByuN would have had every reason to believe he could outtrade Serral late i know recency bias is strong, but let's not get SO carried away Outtrading means nothing if you can't expand past 5 bases. The minimap in the last game was extremely telling. Game 2 was a slightly less dominated game than G3, but the late game outcome was exactly the same - Byun was trading efficiently, but not nearly enough to compensate for a 3-4 base disadvantage. Exact same unit comp too. Not sure how Serral 3-0d Maru, but I'd venture to guess Maru wasn't aggressive enough early game either. And ByuN won that way at ASUS ROG . Don't do the "the only starcraft I watched in the last few weeks confirms my sweeping generalization" thing. Well, let's not do the "Series that happened in the past invalidate what actually happened in the most recent series" either. I actually looked up the ASUS ROG games, and they were quite different. 1 game was an early game win by Byun, and the other 2 Serral was going Ultra/muta late game instead of infestor/BL. Not exactly apples to apples. Infestor/BL has not been the most common lategame recently though. There definitely are terran lategame comps with thors or vikings that can be tried against that (and which did a lot to push broodlords out of the meta). I've never seen a bio player go Thors to counter BLs
I think what was missing more were ranged libs. You need to zone out the Infestors and Tanks just kill your own units
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In this situations it feels like the bane nest takes 5 years to finish
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Maru needs drilling claws badly here.
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Beautiful ling heavy style by Dark
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Compare how active was Maru vs Solar and this Maru here. After Elazer he got too tired to keep up.
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absolutely ridiculous playstyle from Dark, throwing punches out of nowhere, and boy do those punches hurt
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Dark making good use of the macro hatch. I wish KR zergs would double expand more, but I wish EU zergs would use macro hatches more often too. Both moves have their moments.
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If Dark plays like this vs ByuN he will have 0 chances to win
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noooo I wanted to see the massacre
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Dark is showing symptons of 2019 Dark.
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Is anyone else having really weird issues with game sound?
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On December 21 2020 05:54 Argonauta wrote:
If Dark plays like this vs ByuN he will have 0 chances to win
Since Byun's return, Dark is 9–8 (52.94%) in games and 4–1 (80.00%) in matches against ByuN.
Quite possibly it means Dark can adapt his playstyle to the opponent?
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Dark went 3-2 against uThermal but is manhandling Maru.
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On December 21 2020 05:53 Argonauta wrote:
Compare how active was Maru vs Solar and this Maru here. After Elazer he got too tired to keep up.
I believe Dark was starting to play even earlier than Maru today
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Maru's form is so inconsistent. He looked amazing yesterday and Solar isn't that much worse than Dark.
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