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Nebuchad
Switzerland12486 Posts
On December 21 2020 02:45 irvnasty wrote: My thought would be just be a nexus or two for recall. Interesting idea, you would need a zone without creep that is far enough from the toss base for the nexus to not be an easy target... Seems difficult to do in practice | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 21 2020 02:45 irvnasty wrote: My thought would be just be a nexus or two for recall. That doesn't sound very good. For pure mobility players could (but don't) use Nydus worms, and in the lategame saving a few units in a small radius isn't that great given how fast things die. Maybe it could make broodlord movements a little bit safer... | ||
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
On December 21 2020 02:49 Nebuchad wrote: Interesting idea, you would need a zone without creep that is far enough from the toss base for the nexus to not be an easy target... Seems difficult to do in practice If you had a probe (one of your own, not neuraled) it would be easy and take almost no APM to kill a couple tumors and do it. But the more I think about it, those particular compositions don't really end up with zerg needed extra mobility. I guess you could save some ultras, but that's about it. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
Also not sure how I feel about the tempests and especially void rays. More carriers seems like it would be be better, storm + archons seems enough disincentive to having corruptors dive on carriers? It doesn't seem like either race has fully worked out the best way to play late game PvZ which is cool, even if the late game is still way too passive for my liking. | ||
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
On December 21 2020 02:54 dysenterymd wrote: Honestly I think Showtime's biggest issue was defending expansions too poorly and attacking too much. More conservative army movement and building a lot more static defense probably would have helped a lot. Also not sure how I feel about the tempests and especially void rays. More carriers seems like it would be be better, storm + archons seems enough disincentive to having corruptors dive on carriers? It doesn't seem like either race has fully worked out the best way to play late game PvZ which is cool, even if the late game is still way too passive for my liking. I agree. Often these lategames seem like a test of both players' patience, and the giant fights rarely seem to be forced but instead just seem like "hold my keyboard, I'm going in". Very different from super lategame TvZ, where it often seems to come down to a starvation race that requires both parties to fling themselves at the last couple bases with minerals. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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irvnasty
United States211 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 21 2020 02:54 dysenterymd wrote: Honestly I think Showtime's biggest issue was defending expansions poorly and attacking too much. More conservative army movement and building a lot more static defense probably would have helped a lot. Also not sure how I feel about the tempests and especially void rays. More carriers seems like it would be be better, storm + archons seems enough disincentive to having corruptors dive on carriers? It doesn't seem like either race has fully worked out the best way to play late game PvZ which is cool, even if the late game is still way too passive for my liking. You need the tempests to help the ht deal with the vipers. Past a certain point more carriers doesn't improve the army. | ||
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sneakyfox
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:15 JJH777 wrote: Will Maru not play the widow mine style today? Maybe he doesn't like it with ping :/ maybe he is saving it up for Dark and Serral? There are a ton of potential zergs today to play against as Maru | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:17 Argonauta wrote: maybe he is saving it up for Dark and Serral? There are a ton of potential zergs today to play against as Maru What is there to save, when he's already shown the build against solar? | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:22 DBooN wrote: What is there to save, when he's already shown the build against solar? Seeing as he's injured saving his wrists for more APM intensive styles later isn't the worst idea, but at this rate there might not be a later. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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sneakyfox
8217 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:36 sneakyfox wrote: This Maru is not going to beat Dark I don't know if this Maru particularly cares about Elazer enough to try hard knowing he has Dark next | ||
Waxangel
United States33665 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:36 sneakyfox wrote: This Maru is not going to beat Dark Collectively, this is like one of the least consistent stretches for Korean pros ever. It's really series by series, so don't be surprised if Maru plays amazing against Dark (if he survives this series anyway  ) | ||
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sneakyfox
8217 Posts
On December 21 2020 03:37 Waxangel wrote: Collectively, this is like one of the least consistent stretches for Korean pros ever. It's really series by series, so don't be surprised if Maru plays amazing against Dark (if he survives this series anyway )Hmm, I dunno, his control has looked off quite a few times this series. Ping is surely a big part of the explanation but he several times he seemed to not be very well aware of what's going on in the game. That part is probably going to be even worse when playing at 5 am or whatever... Plus Dark looks very solid. | ||
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