EPTDH Masters Winter: Season Finals - Page 46
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ytherik
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ilax30
720 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:37 lolfail9001 wrote: OTOH why the hell did Neeb switch into ground armies after playing skytoss last whatever PvZs? I mean.. He is stuck on 3 bases playing against roach ravager SH, how should be get a good skytoss army out in time to deal with that, he would just die | ||
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Calliope
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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Penev
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4134 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 ilax30 wrote: I mean.. He is stuck on 3 bases playing against roach ravager SH, how should be get a good skytoss army out in time to deal with that, he would just die Given that Zest build is 3 base 3 gate void ray, i am fairly positive roach ravager SH does literally nothing against it. Of course, the chance is that you die before you get a 3rd base done, but i'll ignore it for the sake of argument. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 TentativePanda wrote: Love seeing everyone thinking swarmhosts are actually good lol. They are trash. Neeb still had a chance to win that game even after handling the locusts terribly and getting blindsided by them. I suspect this is a “vs Neeb strategy” only. He saw Scarlett use them against neeb effectively and thought he could do it better. Neeb way too patient against this style And what is your basis for saying that swarm hosts are bad? Do you have any statistics, or are you just making it up as you go along? What I see is multiple tournaments which have been decided by swarm hosts | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 TentativePanda wrote: Love seeing everyone thinking swarmhosts are actually good lol. They are trash. Neeb still had a chance to win that game even after handling the locusts terribly and getting blindsided by them. I suspect this is a “vs Neeb strategy” only. He saw Scarlett use them against neeb effectively and thought he could do it better. Neeb way too patient against this style I wouldnt say SH are trash, as otherwise zerg would just go for another option. But yeah I wouldnt say they are OP as well, although especially in Serrals hands it can look that way. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 TentativePanda wrote: Love seeing everyone thinking swarmhosts are actually good lol. They are trash. Neeb still had a chance to win that game even after handling the locusts terribly and getting blindsided by them. I suspect this is a “vs Neeb strategy” only. He saw Scarlett use them against neeb effectively and thought he could do it better. Neeb way too patient against this style Still a disgusting unit to see in action. | ||
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darklycid
3562 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:40 ilax30 wrote: I wouldnt say SH are trash, as otherwise zerg would just go for another option. But yeah I wouldnt say they are OP as well, although especially in Serrals hands it can look that way. Swarm hosts just provide shit games. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:40 sudete wrote: And what is your basis for saying that swarm hosts are bad? Do you have any statistics, or are you just making it up as you go along? What I see is multiple tournaments which have been decided by swarm hosts It's not 2019, mate. Shosts are firmly a pocket strat these days. | ||
Waxangel
United States33707 Posts
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2275 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:39 lolfail9001 wrote: Given that Zest build is 3 base 3 gate void ray, i am fairly positive roach ravager SH does literally nothing against it. Of course, the chance is that you die before you get a 3rd base done, but i'll ignore it for the sake of argument. You can't go Airtoss against SH Nydus you need splash damage or the locusts just kill everything while the void rays tickle them. | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
They sure do, and they are very snowbally, so a bad start like Neeb had in game 1 and losing a single immortal/archon early on and a Serral/Reynor need to throw the game to lose. But then stopping the first 1-2 nydusses from getting up and the toss is in a great position | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:40 sudete wrote: And what is your basis for saying that swarm hosts are bad? Do you have any statistics, or are you just making it up as you go along? What I see is multiple tournaments which have been decided by swarm hosts Lmao where are your statistics saying they are good? Now that we have that dumb idea of needing stats to justify claims in a video game that provides us no data, they are bad. You just walk across the map and kill the Zerg once you hit a critical mass. Neeb has the chance to do that even after handling the locusts terribly, but then he routinely didn’t pay attention to his army units and had way too many units picked off. If Serral played any Korean Protoss he wouldn’t use swarmhosts | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 Penev wrote: I get the feeling people are not too fond of a certain unit Well clearly you just read want you want to read, don't you! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16102 Posts
On November 15 2020 23:38 TentativePanda wrote: Love seeing everyone thinking swarmhosts are actually good lol. They are trash. Neeb still had a chance to win that game even after handling the locusts terribly and getting blindsided by them. I suspect this is a “vs Neeb strategy” only. He saw Scarlett use them against neeb effectively and thought he could do it better. Neeb way too patient against this style I don't remember seeing a top Zerg losing with SH recently. Notable is last Season finals where Reynor beat Trap with it and it looked as onesided as these games | ||
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RKC
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darklycid
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