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On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower.
That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
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France13023 Posts
Fucking disappointed MarineLord lost to skillous :/. Qualifying will be a little more difficult. He felt un confident against any of the Protosses. Still a doable group though
French still going strong overall though
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
GSL scaled down to 24 slots rather than 32 for a reason.
I don't think the difference between the best and the worst players is all that different between GSL or DH Master Europe (we could check using aligulac), but the format just results in more mismatches getting played out. Someone like Nightmare just plays two opponents in GSL, whereas MilkiCow has to play seven players.
But this format also means more games which means more consistent seeding and less players getting lucky/unlucky with match-ups so it has its advantages--though the scheduling makes for a rough viewing experience.
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On October 24 2020 06:58 Poopi wrote:
Fucking disappointed MarineLord lost to skillous :/. Qualifying will be a little more difficult. He felt un confident against any of the Protosses. Still a doable group though
French still going strong overall though
You guys have Clem to carry the flag for the forseeable future. You guys are doing fine.
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Elentos
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On October 24 2020 07:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse. GSL scaled down to 24 slots rather than 32 for a reason.
There's 28 players in Code S
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MaxPax is going to be the Frost Giant rts GOAT 
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Clem with the -200 IQ move, that was so greedy, kinda stupid ngl
Edit: but this push though
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Man what a throw 
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Solid 1st game from Showtime but some weird decisions after that unfortunately :/
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Theres just too many lower tier players IMO.
I actually like it. One of the big complaints with GSL is that we almost see the exact same players in Code S, there is no novelty. Sure the first group stage is boring if you watch EVERYTHING. But I find it very nice if you follow a few specific players that you like. For example, I'm excited to see goblin's progress, and I'm a bit nostalgic to see older "monsters" still around like Stefano. Such players wouldn't have a chance (and might not have the motivation to practice) if we had a tournament with 16 players.
Many games in the first round are one-sided, but it should be pretty obvious which games are going to be bad. For me, I might not watch Raynor vs. Gerald in the first round, but I watched Clem vs. Showtime yesterday and I found it a pretty great series. Liquipedia has the dates and times of every game, so it's quite easy to pick what to watch at a quick glance.
If you just want the top of EU. Consider the first round as a qualification round and start watching once we are in the top 16  .
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Elentos
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This looked like souL meant to do an early hellbat push and forgot the armory. I've certainly never heard of an early 3 marine drop to kill overlords.
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Really cool game 2 between Stephano and drogo. In retrospective, I think Drogo should have donate his fourth and defend in the natural with a couple more of warpins
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I think if Stephano can somehow survive the early game without taking any real dmg, he should win. These kinds of late game scenarios are just what he's been famous for his entire career (aside from the 12min roach max out, of course). He just knows how to handle this situations quite well.
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Important win for Drogo there. Gonna be interesting to see how this group goes for Stephano. Good start with 2 wins over some of the weaker players in group D. But his remaining matches are against uThermal, Rail, Serral and Soul. And I only favour him against the toss tbh. Going to be interesting for sure.
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France13023 Posts
Crap MarineLord lost again, TvP is as hard as he says for him :/.
It will be very tough to qualify now that he lost to DnS
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On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
I think there's more to it than simply the larger gap compared to earlier days. I'm not denying that the gap seems larger than ever before. It might also be larger than ever before, but I think that's not the sole reason. The game is getting older and older and therefore players had enough time to figure out what to do in which situation. In my opinion that's the main difference between a few years ago and today. While lower tier players back then were able to surprise the favourites by playing some unexpected, weird stuff, this seems to become increasingly difficult to do. Of course it still happens from time to time, but especially the top tier players don't just seem insanely strong, they are also less vulnerable to this kind of stuff.
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On October 26 2020 08:06 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse. I think there's more to it than simply the larger gap compared to earlier days. I'm not denying that the gap seems larger than ever before. It might also be larger than ever before, but I think that's not the sole reason. The game is getting older and older and therefore players had enough time to figure out what to do in which situation. In my opinion that's the main difference between a few years ago and today. While lower tier players back then were able to surprise the favourites by playing some unexpected, weird stuff, this seems to become increasingly difficult to do. Of course it still happens from time to time, but especially the top tier players don't just seem insanely strong, they are also less vulnerable to this kind of stuff.
Yeah it’s extremely difficult to get to the level required while being an unknown quantity in terms of your style.
Standard play is essentially the ironing out of holes in trying to play the ‘correct’ stable way, so over time with so many people working at it it’s got the get harder and harder to upset the applecart.
Minor gripe about the tournament itself, I’m not sure why the groups are so staggered out, doing a little bit of every group rather than a bigger chunk of one group or two groups.
I dunno I just feel it resets a bit of momentum and engagement doing it this way.
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Showtime is defending quite badly vs cannon rush, that's interesting.
He'll probably adjust within a few days but printf must be shaking his head right now
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Everyone: maxpax is a Young talented protoss with some offbeat builds.
Maxpax: plays like has with better mechanics in his games
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