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United States32499 Posts
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Special play is really sloppy today. he is not in korea rigth?
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On October 22 2020 07:10 Argonauta wrote: Special play is really sloppy today. he is not in korea rigth? I m pretty sure he still is
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Happy Gobbo beat Gabe in game 3 with carriers/disruptor. A lot of ppl still think that comp is weak v terran for some reason because toss often just dies trying to get there. Normally mass viking isnt the answer although Maru showed with baiting interceptors on turrets and then coming from the highground is a possibility. Then you have thors and marines that are decent against carriers, but again die to the 2nd part of the toss army that is the disruptor. BC's with yamato really is the way to go, but its so slow to get there, and often you dont have the eco or realise to late. GG to Gobbo!
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Why couldn't Stats just have played like Goblin?
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On October 23 2020 02:28 mierin wrote:Why couldn't Stats just have played like Goblin? The more important question is why couldn't Big Gabe just play like TY
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4 groups - 4 french leaders
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2x 3-0 in Oce and then 2x 3-2 in Taiwan Lets see if the Oce winners final will be supper close and the Taiwan Winners final a stomp, just like it s meant to be :D
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Am I the only one who cant see the main stream under the Live Events ESL? imgur.com
edit: I can see it now
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Gabe going full spoon terran here.
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So the logic of GM Protoss players is that they'd rather lose 100 probes and several Nexus in a game to constant drops and Liberator harassment than to make a Stargate for a couple of Phoenix just to prevent drops. They won't ever make static defense either. Too expensive. lol.
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On October 24 2020 02:44 Vindicare605 wrote: So the logic of GM Protoss players is that they'd rather lose 100 probes and several Nexus in a game to constant drops and Liberator harassment than to make a Stargate for a couple of Phoenix just to prevent drops. They won't ever make static defense either. Too expensive. lol.
I agree on the static d, but getting phoenix after a blink/robo opener is not optimal to stop drops, you just need to many. E: what i dont understand is why marinelord goes for hellion drop twice when he can't even do dmg when the builds line up for it
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Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps.
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this tourney is so confusing to follow i never know what matches are gonna be played on stream
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On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps.
Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless.
32 slots is just too much for EU.
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On October 24 2020 02:44 Vindicare605 wrote: So the logic of GM Protoss players is that they'd rather lose 100 probes and several Nexus in a game to constant drops and Liberator harassment than to make a Stargate for a couple of Phoenix just to prevent drops. They won't ever make static defense either. Too expensive. lol.
Lmao a couple phoenixes don't prevent drops, there's no need to shit on players just because they aren't Stats or Trap.
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On October 24 2020 04:54 Darkness2k11 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 02:44 Vindicare605 wrote: So the logic of GM Protoss players is that they'd rather lose 100 probes and several Nexus in a game to constant drops and Liberator harassment than to make a Stargate for a couple of Phoenix just to prevent drops. They won't ever make static defense either. Too expensive. lol.
Lmao a couple phoenixes don't prevent drops, there's no need to shit on players just because they aren't Stats or Trap.
HeroMarine literally parked 4 Medivacs in the dead space behind the Protoss base on Romanticide and just left them there, he just moved to the 3rd or main whenever his opponent moved anywhere on the map. Literally ONE phoenix would keep him from doing that.
I'm not saying I love the idea, but if the alternative is going to be to take THAT much damage from those 4 Medivacs because you have nothing that flies that can reach them, I think 300 minerals and 250 Gas is more than worth it. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than the amount he lost due to those 4 Medivacs hanging around there for most of the game.
Alternatively he could have made a couple of Photon Cannons and a Shield Battery protecting them and the Medivacs wouldn't have been able to drop right on his probe line each time too, and that wouldn't have cost him any gas at all.
I'm laughing at the logic of players thinking that those are wasted investments when because they aren't investing in any drop protection they end up taking MASSIVE amounts of preventable damage that could easily be avoided if they weren't so stubborn about deviating from their build.
If Protoss are gonna keep doing this heavy Robotics style then multi-pronged drops are the natural way to defeat it. It's no different than TvT mech vs bio. If you try and fight Bio with Mech and you don't invest and turrets and sensor towers you're going to have a hard time preventing the Bio player from dropping everywhere.
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On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU.
King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there.
Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower.
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On October 24 2020 04:28 CicadaSC wrote: this tourney is so confusing to follow i never know what matches are gonna be played on stream
Just follow liquipedia, all matches are listed there and you should also see on what stream they are being played.
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On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower.
That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
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France12466 Posts
Fucking disappointed MarineLord lost to skillous :/. Qualifying will be a little more difficult. He felt un confident against any of the Protosses. Still a doable group though
French still going strong overall though
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On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
GSL scaled down to 24 slots rather than 32 for a reason.
I don't think the difference between the best and the worst players is all that different between GSL or DH Master Europe (we could check using aligulac), but the format just results in more mismatches getting played out. Someone like Nightmare just plays two opponents in GSL, whereas MilkiCow has to play seven players.
But this format also means more games which means more consistent seeding and less players getting lucky/unlucky with match-ups so it has its advantages--though the scheduling makes for a rough viewing experience.
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On October 24 2020 06:58 Poopi wrote: Fucking disappointed MarineLord lost to skillous :/. Qualifying will be a little more difficult. He felt un confident against any of the Protosses. Still a doable group though
French still going strong overall though
You guys have Clem to carry the flag for the forseeable future. You guys are doing fine.
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On October 24 2020 07:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse. GSL scaled down to 24 slots rather than 32 for a reason. There's 28 players in Code S
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MaxPax is going to be the Frost Giant rts GOAT
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Clem with the -200 IQ move, that was so greedy, kinda stupid ngl Edit: but this push though
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Man what a throw
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Solid 1st game from Showtime but some weird decisions after that unfortunately :/
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Theres just too many lower tier players IMO.
I actually like it. One of the big complaints with GSL is that we almost see the exact same players in Code S, there is no novelty. Sure the first group stage is boring if you watch EVERYTHING. But I find it very nice if you follow a few specific players that you like. For example, I'm excited to see goblin's progress, and I'm a bit nostalgic to see older "monsters" still around like Stefano. Such players wouldn't have a chance (and might not have the motivation to practice) if we had a tournament with 16 players.
Many games in the first round are one-sided, but it should be pretty obvious which games are going to be bad. For me, I might not watch Raynor vs. Gerald in the first round, but I watched Clem vs. Showtime yesterday and I found it a pretty great series. Liquipedia has the dates and times of every game, so it's quite easy to pick what to watch at a quick glance.
If you just want the top of EU. Consider the first round as a qualification round and start watching once we are in the top 16 .
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This looked like souL meant to do an early hellbat push and forgot the armory. I've certainly never heard of an early 3 marine drop to kill overlords.
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Really cool game 2 between Stephano and drogo. In retrospective, I think Drogo should have donate his fourth and defend in the natural with a couple more of warpins
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I think if Stephano can somehow survive the early game without taking any real dmg, he should win. These kinds of late game scenarios are just what he's been famous for his entire career (aside from the 12min roach max out, of course). He just knows how to handle this situations quite well.
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Important win for Drogo there. Gonna be interesting to see how this group goes for Stephano. Good start with 2 wins over some of the weaker players in group D. But his remaining matches are against uThermal, Rail, Serral and Soul. And I only favour him against the toss tbh. Going to be interesting for sure.
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France12466 Posts
Crap MarineLord lost again, TvP is as hard as he says for him :/. It will be very tough to qualify now that he lost to DnS
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On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse.
I think there's more to it than simply the larger gap compared to earlier days. I'm not denying that the gap seems larger than ever before. It might also be larger than ever before, but I think that's not the sole reason. The game is getting older and older and therefore players had enough time to figure out what to do in which situation. In my opinion that's the main difference between a few years ago and today. While lower tier players back then were able to surprise the favourites by playing some unexpected, weird stuff, this seems to become increasingly difficult to do. Of course it still happens from time to time, but especially the top tier players don't just seem insanely strong, they are also less vulnerable to this kind of stuff.
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On October 26 2020 08:06 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2020 06:02 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 24 2020 04:37 Moonerz wrote:On October 24 2020 04:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Well today's games have been pretty damn garbage. Just a lot of totally mismatched players and one sided stomps. Theres just too many lower tier players IMO. It removes almost all the suspense out of these group stages because its quite clear who is going to go through and who has literally no shot at all. While I understand giving these players experience so they can get better, it really makes 90% of these matches pointless. 32 slots is just too much for EU. King of Battles was like this too in the first group stage. Just REALLY obvious who had no shot of competing at all against the top tier competitors, but there were so many Koreans in that group stage that you actually had a couple of good series here and there. Just across the board, the gap between the top competitors in each region and the next tier down is pretty huge it might just be me but it seems like that gap is getting wider as time goes on not narrower. That's true too even in GSL Ro32 these days there's a pretty large gap between the top and bottom tiers(though its not nearly as bad in GSL since we have koreans and foreigners to spice up the lineup). I think the round robin format just makes it seem even worse. I think there's more to it than simply the larger gap compared to earlier days. I'm not denying that the gap seems larger than ever before. It might also be larger than ever before, but I think that's not the sole reason. The game is getting older and older and therefore players had enough time to figure out what to do in which situation. In my opinion that's the main difference between a few years ago and today. While lower tier players back then were able to surprise the favourites by playing some unexpected, weird stuff, this seems to become increasingly difficult to do. Of course it still happens from time to time, but especially the top tier players don't just seem insanely strong, they are also less vulnerable to this kind of stuff. Yeah it’s extremely difficult to get to the level required while being an unknown quantity in terms of your style.
Standard play is essentially the ironing out of holes in trying to play the ‘correct’ stable way, so over time with so many people working at it it’s got the get harder and harder to upset the applecart.
Minor gripe about the tournament itself, I’m not sure why the groups are so staggered out, doing a little bit of every group rather than a bigger chunk of one group or two groups.
I dunno I just feel it resets a bit of momentum and engagement doing it this way.
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Showtime is defending quite badly vs cannon rush, that's interesting.
He'll probably adjust within a few days but printf must be shaking his head right now
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Everyone: maxpax is a Young talented protoss with some offbeat builds. Maxpax: plays like has with better mechanics in his games
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Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb.
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Maxpax now won the last 3 official series he played against showtime. Solid showing
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On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb.
Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match.
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On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP.
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On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP.
Kevin to the rescue
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On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff.
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On October 28 2020 04:49 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff.
Well yeah that's my point when Harstem didn't have the optimal reactions he lost, then he started winning.
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On October 28 2020 04:54 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:49 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff. Well yeah that's my point when Harstem didn't have the optimal reactions he lost, then he started winning. I mean i'm Not saying Cannon Rush is OP or that Showtime lost bc it is too strong, it's Just dumb to watch and to play, noone i know Likes to Play against it or watch Cannon Rush games (also i don't think any pro has voiced His approvement ever).
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On October 28 2020 04:56 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:54 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:49 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff. Well yeah that's my point when Harstem didn't have the optimal reactions he lost, then he started winning. I mean i'm Not saying Cannon Rush is OP or that Showtime lost bc it is too strong, it's Just dumb to watch and to play, noone i know Likes to Play against it or watch Cannon Rush games (also i don't think any pro has voiced His approvement ever).
I find it interesting in terms of strategic play that Maxpax had the idea of testing whether Showtime was good at countering this, and then pressed on when he saw that Showtime wasn't. I think that's good play.
Like, if the next time they play Maxpax still does it that will be questionable, because Showtime will obviously work on it in the meanwhile. But for this series it was interesting.
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I love watching any kind of cheese play so I find watching cannon rushing enjoyable
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Some good games today in eu. Especially looking forward to the 2 Tvz's in which Lambo plays v Marinelord. The Frenchman made the season finals last time, but now with a 1-2 mapscore another defeat would really hurt his chances to even make it out the groupstage all together.
And then we have Stephano v uThermal in which last season the Dutchman made the best comeback we have seen in Dh this year so far. Both players are 2-1 so a win would put them in a great position going forward and maybe even challenging the top-2 spot behind Serral.
And talking about Serral, he hasnt lost a map yet in his group. But hes taking on Drogo who back in june took 2 games off him in the stay at homestory cup with some great aggressive builds Drogo is known for in the PvZ matchup.
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Stephano played a great game. This 8 Rax off 3 quick base simply does not work anymore.
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Not a surpising result when you realise uthermal only is able to play on stream and its 95% against protoss. solid game by stephano, now i actually believe he has a chance of making top4
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On October 28 2020 04:56 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:54 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:49 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff. Well yeah that's my point when Harstem didn't have the optimal reactions he lost, then he started winning. I mean i'm Not saying Cannon Rush is OP or that Showtime lost bc it is too strong, it's Just dumb to watch and to play, noone i know Likes to Play against it or watch Cannon Rush games (also i don't think any pro has voiced His approvement ever). Cannon rushing is a thousand times better than the average PvP with the adept shuffle.
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On October 29 2020 03:47 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2020 04:56 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:54 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:49 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:47 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:44 darklycid wrote:On October 28 2020 04:43 Nebuchad wrote:On October 28 2020 04:39 darklycid wrote: Yeah can we please Just remove Cannon Rush from PvP it's beyond dumb. Cannon rush is an inferior strategy, you're making a mistake if you're losing to it. Showtime's reactions were not the best and I think that's what was weird about this match. Nah Cannon Rush is pretty Solid If you can Play it, it's Just dumb Shit in PvP. Kevin to the rescue I watched that too, still Look at how many Games harstem lost at first, it's very easy to fuck smth Up against it, and it's still pretty degenerate stuff. Well yeah that's my point when Harstem didn't have the optimal reactions he lost, then he started winning. I mean i'm Not saying Cannon Rush is OP or that Showtime lost bc it is too strong, it's Just dumb to watch and to play, noone i know Likes to Play against it or watch Cannon Rush games (also i don't think any pro has voiced His approvement ever). Cannon rushing is a thousand times better than the average PvP with the adept shuffle. wrong.
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Have I ever told you the story of Darth Serral the wise?
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hmmm now that the folk heroes serral and reynor fully embtace the swarmhost play.... will thry be label as evil beasts as it with Rogue?
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On October 29 2020 05:11 Argonauta wrote: hmmm now that the folk heroes serral and reynor fully embtace the swarmhost play.... will thry be label as evil beasts as it with Rogue?
Reynor has been using swarm hosts for a while.
That's the beauty of ZvP, you don't just use one broken strategy all the time, you switch between a few strategies that are all very good.
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On October 29 2020 04:37 Xain0n wrote: Have I ever told you the story of Darth Serral the wise? A few times :p
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On October 29 2020 05:54 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 04:37 Xain0n wrote: Have I ever told you the story of Darth Serral the wise? A few times :p
Were you watching the games today? He was wearing a black hood in true Sith fashion.
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this game can't possibly get anymore NA
right?
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I regret betting on SC2. I thought NA CS:GO was bad but this is worse.
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is what asuna is building a legit army comp nowadays in pvp? wtf am I looking at
edit: ...guess not
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TLO with the 'stupid build that somehow worked' strat, that was crazy, what a Madman
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On October 29 2020 06:06 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 05:54 WombaT wrote:On October 29 2020 04:37 Xain0n wrote: Have I ever told you the story of Darth Serral the wise? A few times :p Were you watching the games today? He was wearing a black hood in true Sith fashion. I was looking forward to getting caught up with VoDs, now even more so now.
Although I’m not sure Serral suits being a villain, too nice a fellow.
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On October 29 2020 09:20 geokilla wrote: My head hurts Reading the last few posts, it sounds like I missed some fantastic clown fiesta goodness, NA style. Anyone able to give a brief summary?
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On October 29 2020 09:30 WombaT wrote:Reading the last few posts, it sounds like I missed some fantastic clown fiesta goodness, NA style. Anyone able to give a brief summary?
30+ zealots vs 5 carriers, cannons vs interceptors in a no mining situation, 38 mins PvP
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Horrible tournament for Bly 1-5. bottom of the group ouch
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On October 29 2020 19:00 LennX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2020 09:30 WombaT wrote:On October 29 2020 09:20 geokilla wrote: My head hurts Reading the last few posts, it sounds like I missed some fantastic clown fiesta goodness, NA style. Anyone able to give a brief summary? 30+ zealots vs 5 carriers, cannons vs interceptors in a no mining situation, 38 mins PvP Sounds beautiful
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France12466 Posts
Gratz Aqueron beat MaxPax! Hopefully Mlord manages to qualify but even if he closes it out vs HeroMarine it'll be hard... Gz Clem clean sheet still
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TvT is such a great mirror matchup, 2 completely different games. Yet both so entertaining. Keep em coming
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Is it just me watching Vanya play Elazer and thinking:
"So I made a decision, and it was wrong. It was a bad call, Ripley; it was a bad call."
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Did not expect GungFu to make it out alive! Congratz mate!
Bit disappointed by ma boi MaxPax and Vanya. Hope they show up to the mysterious January event thingy
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Great tournament for X Y F A N S
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Milkicow with a weird experimentation :p
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One of the more fun series just happened on the B stream. Aqueron with 2 very interesting 1 base builds to defeat Harstem. Worth watching back!
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Hmm Showtime rly Looks of the recent weeks.
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Yeah dunno what's going on but just doesn't Look good.
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Good thing showtimes group is already decided in terms of who is going through, otherwise it could of gotten dicey for showtime..
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All the zergs doing super well so far, what a surprise
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Lurkers are very good. Cool to see lambo take down Gabe, think its the first time it happened in a official match, he normally gets farmed in the esl cups. Also looks like he will get a top-2 finish now!
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A good 2-0 start for Stephano, and then the win over uThermal made me think he may actually make top 4. But even with all of that, it looks like he will narrowly miss advancing after all
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Well, that was a quick 2-0 for Serral
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I like how group B is pretty much set while anything really can happen in group D, same goes for C I guess. And matches per group are being played at the same time. Gonna be cool following the B and C stream for those groups where multiple players can still advance/go out.
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X Y F A N S still going strong
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On November 01 2020 22:55 Elentos wrote: X Y F A N S still going strong
Later, TIME won Game 1 by "TvT", won Game 2 by "ZvT" and won Game 3 by "PvT"...
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Is it map difference or direct confrontation? (Sry I'm sure they said it but I was watching the french stream)
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On November 02 2020 01:47 Nebuchad wrote: Is it map difference or direct confrontation? (Sry I'm sure they said it but I was watching the french stream)
Map difference first. The order is listed on liquipedia. Sad series from mana, takes the W but loses the map and is out..
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On November 02 2020 01:59 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2020 01:47 Nebuchad wrote: Is it map difference or direct confrontation? (Sry I'm sure they said it but I was watching the french stream) Map difference first. The order is listed on liquipedia. Sad series from mana, takes the W but loses the map and is out..
Yeah that's what I thought, thx. When I asked liquipedia was saying something else that's why I was surprised
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Pretty insane that Krystianer with a win over DNS could of gotten 2nd in his group, but now with a loss hes actually out and gabe takes the 2nd spot with a 4-3 record. In group D uThermal for example can end up 6th with a 4-3 record. Always fascinating to see those differences in the groups
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Damn group D was fun to follow, uthermal getting 2nd because soul dropped a map. And then rail even looked good for a sec against serral in game 3 to maybe "steal" the 2nd place for the Dutchman. Looking forward to the playoffs!
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I thought Maru v TY would be the best series from today. Turns out, game 3 between Mcanning and Nina just toppled it in its entirety. PEAK STARCRAFT
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When will the pairings be announced?
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On November 02 2020 07:50 Xain0n wrote: When will the pairings be announced? Should be tomorrow judging by other seasons.
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Great showing by the Germans, I like it very much Lambo actually still has a Chance to get to top 7 in EPT standings, the race is on between him, Elazer, uThermal and MLord
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Italy2573 Posts
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I didn't even realize when looking at the EU standings that all advancing Protoss players will start in the lower bracket.
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On November 02 2020 22:25 Elentos wrote: I didn't even realize when looking at the EU standings that all advancing Protoss players will start in the lower bracket. Yeah.... however, its not very surprising. I doubt very much that any toss will survive further than loser's round 4.
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I just find it funny how all regions seem to have a race that does better than the others. In Korea we just had a TvT finals, in Europe a ZvZ final would be no surprise and I wouldn‘t be shocked if it ended up being PvP in NA.
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On November 03 2020 04:45 Swisslink wrote: I just find it funny how all regions seem to have a race that does better than the others. In Korea we just had a TvT finals, in Europe a ZvZ final would be no surprise and I wouldn‘t be shocked if it ended up being PvP in NA. Just like season 1
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Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1
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On November 04 2020 01:09 ilax30 wrote: Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1 :/
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And here I was thinking Denver was doing badly lately, he sure stepped it up for this tournament. Gogo Denver!
That timing in game 4 would have been defended without that huge supply block...
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Who thoought that Denver role playing as Bly would give him his best chances v Clem
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Not the best muta control from Denver there, still gg to win 2 maps.
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The zergiest map we have had in a long time, yet Gabe doesnt veto it. Decent game none the less!
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Wasn't that Ultralisk transition quite obvious? I don't know what Serral could have done otherwise and I am surprised HeRoMaRinE was caught offguard there with a pure marine army.
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I feel like these are premature GG by HeroMarine.
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Clem vs Serral will be fun. 3 days to that match
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On November 04 2020 01:09 ilax30 wrote: Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1
Oops.
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Serral putting on a clinic
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Damn those boring tvz games with lurkers ...
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On November 04 2020 02:59 Rubicant1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 01:09 ilax30 wrote: Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1 Oops.
Cant make lurkers if terran dies so soon everytime, i cry
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On November 04 2020 03:00 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 02:59 Rubicant1 wrote:On November 04 2020 01:09 ilax30 wrote: Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1 Oops. Cant make lurkers if terran dies so soon everytime, i cry
It's okay to admit you fucked up. They can't all be zingers
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On November 04 2020 03:06 medium_AI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 03:00 ilax30 wrote:On November 04 2020 02:59 Rubicant1 wrote:On November 04 2020 01:09 ilax30 wrote: Cant wait to see lurkers in every TvZ today, gonna be fun. Enjoy the games every1 Oops. Cant make lurkers if terran dies so soon everytime, i cry It's okay to admit you fucked up. They can't all be zingers
If they were long games yes, but its hard to make loerkers when terran all ins you Im alll-in on reynor making them though, I know the faith of the peeps here has been challenged, and I know after today I may lose a lot of followers here. But I need to make these tough choices, and my choice has been made. See you guys on the other side.
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That was a sick game from Elazer, thats one of the things I like in ZvZ, the mind games and countering the direct response.. On we go
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uThermal v Reynor will be *painful*, right?
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And here the loerkers are, shame uthermal played well but this should be it
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I have never seen Lurkers lose against Terran.
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On November 04 2020 04:38 geokilla wrote: I have never seen Lurkers lose against Terran.
Someone inform Harstem, a meme needs to be created.
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I was enjoying TvZ alot, but terrans just dont know how to handle lurkers lategame. Setting up multiple lurkers at 2-3 bases is extremely hard to deal with for them. You have to be on the front foot, uThermal was for the most part but then he just got rolled once he stabilised. Dunno if Clem figured it out, but guess we are gonna see. GG
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Honestly, it was just the forgetting upgrades that was the real problem. Terran is so momentum based and he lost his timing, so even though his position was great, he couldn't really capitalise.
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On November 04 2020 04:45 blooblooblahblah wrote: Honestly, it was just the forgetting upgrades that was the real problem. Terran is so momentum based and he lost his timing, so even though his position was great, he couldn't really capitalise.
That was a problem for sure, but would it really have mattered? It was reynor settiing up lurkers at multiple bases avoiding a big confontration. Upgrades would of been even at best, I guess with even upgrades reynor would of gotten worse trades and his bank wouldnt be that insane. But to win the match he needed something more.
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On November 04 2020 04:47 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 04:45 blooblooblahblah wrote: Honestly, it was just the forgetting upgrades that was the real problem. Terran is so momentum based and he lost his timing, so even though his position was great, he couldn't really capitalise. That was a problem for sure, but would it really have mattered? It was reynor settiing up lurkers at multiple bases avoiding a big confontration. Upgrades would of been even at best, I guess with even upgrades reynor would of gotten worse trades and his bank wouldnt be that insane. But to win the match he needed something more.
It's more that the reason it got into a game like that is because uThermal couldn't capitalise on his timing. He was forced to play that game because of that.
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*Reynor reads about lurkers on TL*
*Reynor starts 2 lurker dens*
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On November 04 2020 04:38 geokilla wrote: I have never seen Lurkers lose against Terran. Funny how the little +1 range buff turned them from a meme unit (in TvZ) to the best unit in the matchup.
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On November 04 2020 04:38 geokilla wrote: I have never seen Lurkers lose against Terran. DRG wishes this were true.
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Racially balanced at the top like usual... please, Clem, do your best.
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On November 04 2020 05:56 Calliope wrote: Racially balanced at the top like usual... please, Clem, do your best.
I guess you are worried about T being op in LA e China and P being op in Taiwan then!
In the last years Serral and then Reynor have been head and shoulders above the competition outside of Korea , Zerg or not, especially after Neeb's decline; that's even true now that there are regional Dreamhacks, complaining seems out of place.
Clem is up there in terms of skill now, he just have to win a championship.
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Denver went on beast mode but im glad we avoided zvz fiesta, so far
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When will VODs of today be posted? Looking to watch the Winner's Round 1 games.
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On November 04 2020 05:56 Calliope wrote: Racially balanced at the top like usual... please, Clem, do your best.
1st $25,000 ₩28,299,709 900 South Korea TY Afreeca Freecs 2nd $12,000 ₩13,583,860 630 South Korea Maru Jin Air Green Wings 3rd-4th $8,500 ₩9,596,339 450 South Korea Stats Afreeca Freecs
ahhm what? T clearly OP
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France12466 Posts
On November 04 2020 07:44 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 05:56 Calliope wrote: Racially balanced at the top like usual... please, Clem, do your best. I guess you are worried about T being op in LA e China and P being op in Taiwan then! In the last years Serral and then Reynor have been head and shoulders above the competition outside of Korea , Zerg or not, especially after Neeb's decline; that's even true now that there are regional Dreamhacks, complaining seems out of place. Clem is up there in terms of skill now, he just have to win a championship. China and Taiwan are not representative because they have a tiny pool of players, Europe has the biggest pool.
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Well... Marinelord did everything right but the last 2 minutes were a fiasco.. Should of went to game 5 there. Already looking forward to Showtime v uThermal now.
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Astrea could of made it himself a lot easier if he remembered he had another ruptor at the bottom of the map.. But these games.. Even though future should of won the game earlier. After astrea defended the push towards his 2nd base he didnt read the all in coming at all and kept making probes and nearly lost the game. Loving it though
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Its a protoss stomping ground today.
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20 minute death animation
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Still no vods? :| edit: After some refreshing I see them on their YT channel!
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wtf is this? Protoss 100% w/r today, freaking blizzard nerf this shit please + Show Spoiler +
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Showtime vs uThermal is the direct fight for 5th seed. Should be good
Future needs a perfect run while Scarlett can't get any further for him to still have a chance
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I don't think UT has any chance against Showtime.
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On November 05 2020 23:01 mierin wrote: I don't think UT has any chance against Showtime.
I mean, Marinelord should of taken game 4 and went to a decider yesterday, and I would consider Thermy's TvP to be better. So eh
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is it time to bring in that Mondragon meme? NVM he went hydra instead of roach :/
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United States32499 Posts
that was horrendous, I hope they do it again
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He's so tilted. If uThermal didn't pull back for game 4 and kept on attacking, he could've won.
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Today looks fun, first we get to see Protoss trying to survive another tournament, then we get the main show.
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France12466 Posts
Skillous getting outplayed so much wtf. Poor Denver you robbed us of a better bo5 :/
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That was a pretty sick hold.
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Blizzard finally made the 50 APM Protoss playstyle the standard in proplay.
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On November 07 2020 02:11 darklycid wrote: Throwtime in the house.
Its ironic that F2 would have saved Showtime and dragged this game for much longer
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On November 07 2020 02:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Its ironic that F2 would have saved Showtime and dragged this game for much longer I dare to say that showtime was in a good position after he took out the base.
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Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021?
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On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway.
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On November 07 2020 02:55 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway.
I don't know, Astrea and Neeb are likely to win at least one of the Masters NA, I think I'd be taking a decent risk.
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On November 07 2020 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 02:55 Morbidius wrote:On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway. I don't know, Astrea and Neeb are likely to win at least one of the Masters NA, I think I'd be taking a decent risk. Masters NA and Major in one sentence
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On November 07 2020 02:58 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:On November 07 2020 02:55 Morbidius wrote:On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway. I don't know, Astrea and Neeb are likely to win at least one of the Masters NA, I think I'd be taking a decent risk. Masters NA and Major in one sentence
Well it counts as premier on TL so it would probably be included in the bet regardless of what I think about it :p
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On November 07 2020 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 02:55 Morbidius wrote:On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway. I don't know, Astrea and Neeb are likely to win at least one of the Masters NA, I think I'd be taking a decent risk. Would not be so terrible if these were included. These are safe Protoss wins.
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On November 07 2020 03:00 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 02:57 Nebuchad wrote:On November 07 2020 02:55 Morbidius wrote:On November 07 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote: Is there a way for me to bet that protoss won't win any major tourneys in 2021? If there was the odds would be terrible anyway. I don't know, Astrea and Neeb are likely to win at least one of the Masters NA, I think I'd be taking a decent risk. Would not be so terrible if these were included. These are safe Protoss wins. Sometimes Scarlett wins tho.
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Wow, Serral actually reading the right time to allin and not doing it once per series just so people get scared.
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Gotta say, as much as Clem has these prodigious peaks of skill at times, his pretty consistent rage quits or "g" when he gets frustrated makes it hard to really root for him.
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Serral doing the right thing in this meta vs Terran. Can't let them take the initiative. It's actually really refreshing to see the Terran be forced to react to the Zerg.
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On November 07 2020 03:25 Rubicant1 wrote: Gotta say, as much as Clem has these prodigious peaks of skill at times, his pretty consistent rage quits or "g" when he gets frustrated makes it hard to really root for him.
i get your point and its valid but id give him a break here for still being quite young. Not everyone can really manage their emotions, but he’ll get there, he’s a good egg.
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Serral looks good in white.
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On November 07 2020 03:27 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 03:25 Rubicant1 wrote: Gotta say, as much as Clem has these prodigious peaks of skill at times, his pretty consistent rage quits or "g" when he gets frustrated makes it hard to really root for him. i get your point and its valid but id give him a break here for still being quite young. Not everyone can really manage their emotions, but he’ll get there, he’s a good egg.
Yeah, true. He does seem like a good dude, so I'm probably being a bit harsh.
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On November 07 2020 03:25 Rubicant1 wrote: Gotta say, as much as Clem has these prodigious peaks of skill at times, his pretty consistent rage quits or "g" when he gets frustrated makes it hard to really root for him.
Who cares about gg's without taking into account that we got a very young, still inexperienced guy who's also combatting an extreme zerg dominance the past years.
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Here comes game 5 Serral.
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Not Clearing the Rocks seems Like Something zerg shouldn't do when taking that Base.
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He said his GG at the beginning of the next game
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On November 07 2020 03:53 darklycid wrote: Not Clearing the Rocks seems Like Something zerg shouldn't do when taking that Base.
Yeah...sort of seems like it played a pretty big role in Clem getting that initial position, lol. Odd not to just click on it sometime in the first 6 minutes.
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I think clem wins, which is kinda rip for showtime, no way he Beats serral. Edit: Well...
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that game deserved a bit more hyped commentary
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serral finally shifted to a higher gear there lol
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Very entertaining game, still don't understand why we're still playing Pillars of gold, though.
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What a game. Looked sketchy for a while when Serral was behind one upgrade, but he held until his 3/3 finished. More!
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Holy crap, that last game--much more what I was expecting from these two! Definitely thought Serral was dead like 3 times that game.
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Should've realized the importance of planetary fortress as a 5th base..
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Clem disrespeting the runbys here so much compared to Cure.
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Man, what a nail biter. I wonder if I missed something significant, but like halfway through the game when they were both at 180 ish supply Clem looked like he had already lost in the player cam.
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Holy shit! The last game was seriously the best of the tourney so far. Both were choking at some points and i can't believe how often Serral managed to pull things back with his relentless runbys.
STOP THE GAME!
No seriously, GGs, thanks for the great game!
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On November 07 2020 04:16 mierin wrote: Man, what a nail biter. I wonder if I missed something significant, but like halfway through the game when they were both at 180 ish supply Clem looked like he had already lost in the player cam.
that was when he realised he missclicked in the ebay and didnt have the perfect timing for upgrades for his very strong push ...
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Both of them fought back from bad positions multiple times, excellent nail biting finish. Congrats Serral, well fought Clem.
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On November 07 2020 04:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 04:16 mierin wrote: Man, what a nail biter. I wonder if I missed something significant, but like halfway through the game when they were both at 180 ish supply Clem looked like he had already lost in the player cam. that was when he realised he missclicked in the ebay and didnt have the perfect timing for upgrades for his very strong push ...
Oh right, the building armor thing. Thanks
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On November 07 2020 04:16 mierin wrote: Man, what a nail biter. I wonder if I missed something significant, but like halfway through the game when they were both at 180 ish supply Clem looked like he had already lost in the player cam.
I think it was right after where he had taken some amazing engagements/outpaced Serral, then took a really bad fight that had knocked him down to 150/ish supply--which Serral promptly rewarded by throwing away a ton of lings/banes up a ramp.
Or maybe the armor><
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Yet another 2-2-1 series. I wasn't expecting either of these last 2 to go to 5 games.
EDIT: Reynor is the literal interview GOAT
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On November 07 2020 05:34 mierin wrote: Yet another 2-2-1 series. I wasn't expecting either of these last 2 to go to 5 games.
EDIT: Reynor is the literal interview GOAT
Clem vs Serral goes to game 5 pretty often.
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On November 07 2020 05:34 mierin wrote: Yet another 2-2-1 series. I wasn't expecting either of these last 2 to go to 5 games.
EDIT: Reynor is the literal interview GOAT
His energy is so infectious, it's a great but I still prefer the more ironic approach of Stephano :p
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On November 07 2020 07:52 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 05:34 mierin wrote: Yet another 2-2-1 series. I wasn't expecting either of these last 2 to go to 5 games.
EDIT: Reynor is the literal interview GOAT His energy is so infectious, it's a great but I still prefer the more ironic approach of Stephano :p
I'll never forget his "JA JA JA" homestory cup performance haha man the guy has talents on so many levels.
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Off topic I guess but I find it really inappropriate how Nathanias is wearing a freaking tank top while casting this premiere event. A proper shirt like DeMu would be ideal imo but not necessarily required but man put in a little bit of effort. He looks like a hobo.
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Northern Ireland20731 Posts
On November 08 2020 01:56 SharkStarcraft wrote: Off topic I guess but I find it really inappropriate how Nathanias is wearing a freaking tank top while casting this premiere event. A proper shirt like DeMu would be ideal imo but not necessarily required but man put in a little bit of effort. He looks like a hobo. You misspelt 'sexy'.
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On November 07 2020 16:13 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2020 07:52 stilt wrote:On November 07 2020 05:34 mierin wrote: Yet another 2-2-1 series. I wasn't expecting either of these last 2 to go to 5 games.
EDIT: Reynor is the literal interview GOAT His energy is so infectious, it's a great but I still prefer the more ironic approach of Stephano :p I'll never forget his "JA JA JA" homestory cup performance haha man the guy has talents on so many levels.
Or his "to the bank" :p Anyway, if Showtime wins this, it will be the first time a toss manages to get in the top 4 of dh eu. Oh and as usual, very solid play by Gabe, GG !
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Showtime is making every wrong choice this game.
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Seriously, looking at Protoss in 2020 makes me sad
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Dunno showtime is also playing pretty bad today, his fights are horrible.
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Looks like a clean 3-0 for Clem, not too surprising as showtime really should of gone to game 5 against both Marinelord and uThermal who made some errors which caused the German to win map 4 against them both. But against Clems TvP you need to be perfect..
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Showtime also looks pretty slow today, usually i feel like he can keep up but today his army movement and awareness is pretty bad.
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ShowTime tired of bullshit xD
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This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps.
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Now for the EU classic. The Zerg police officers are going to decide who goes down to the lower bracket to deal with the Terran rioters.
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that one was 100% on Showtime looking rather off today, you could see how frustrated he was when he conceded gg in g3. Probably just one of those days when you don't feel it and everything goes wrong.
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On November 08 2020 03:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: that one was 100% on Showtime looking rather off today, you could see how frustrated he was when he conceded gg in g3. Probably just one of those days when you don't feel it and everything goes wrong. While true, pvt is pretty hard right now i'd say, terran has alot of builds and you kinda need to guess what it is and it is easy to die to them (like blink can easily die hard to hellion drop, sg can easily die to those tank pushes with scvs etc.).
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On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps.
Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh
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On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb
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On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb
Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D
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On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D I just wanna see toss do something (na doesn't count tbh), but if trap doesn't have a good run it seems kinda impossible :D
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On November 08 2020 03:11 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: that one was 100% on Showtime looking rather off today, you could see how frustrated he was when he conceded gg in g3. Probably just one of those days when you don't feel it and everything goes wrong. While true, pvt is pretty hard right now i'd say, terran has alot of builds and you kinda need to guess what it is and it is easy to die to them (like blink can easily die hard to hellion drop, sg can easily die to those tank pushes with scvs etc.). I don't disagree that the state of P looks pretty harsh these days (v both Z and T). The 3-0 is still 100% on Showtime's lackluster performance and 0% on the current state of P imo. Anyway the upcoming matches should be really good
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On November 08 2020 03:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:11 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: that one was 100% on Showtime looking rather off today, you could see how frustrated he was when he conceded gg in g3. Probably just one of those days when you don't feel it and everything goes wrong. While true, pvt is pretty hard right now i'd say, terran has alot of builds and you kinda need to guess what it is and it is easy to die to them (like blink can easily die hard to hellion drop, sg can easily die to those tank pushes with scvs etc.). I don't disagree that the state of P looks pretty harsh these days (v both Z and T). The 3-0 is still 100% on Showtime's lackluster performance and 0% on the current state of P imo. Anyway the upcoming matches should be really good As i said i agree. this was deffo on showtime, hope he'll bounce, back has been a rough year in wcs for him.
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On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb
KR terrans? Cure did.
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
Serral losing to Reynor in ZvZ is magical.
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Lurkers so good in every matchup. Painful loss there for Joona
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On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D
And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z.
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On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z.
That's false, Code S S1 2020 had Cure, Inno and TY in the ro4.
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On November 08 2020 03:58 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z. That's false, Code S S1 2020 had Cure, Inno and TY in the ro4.
And S2, 2/4 Z and Rogue a victor as well as an almost complete foreign Z domination like always. Not to mention a 70% win rate in major tournaments. It is too soon to declare 2020 as being very different. And I am hoping for Clem to prove me wrong by finally having a foreigner being a top contender with any other race than Z.
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That was outright bad by Serral tbh.
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On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z.
That's on foreigners, not on race.
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Darth Serral the White is just too much to be witnessed. Come on Joona, take this 3-2 home!
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On November 08 2020 04:02 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:58 Xain0n wrote:On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z. That's false, Code S S1 2020 had Cure, Inno and TY in the ro4. And S2, 2/4 Z and Rogue a victor as well as an almost complete foreign Z domination like always. Not to mention a 70% win rate in major tournaments. It is too soon to declare 2020 as being very different. And I am hoping for Clem to prove me wrong by finally having a foreigner being a top contender with any other race than Z.
The Korean or Global events this year have really not been zerg fests--Zerg won some of them sure, but they have hardly dominated in TvZ. In fact the TvZ winrate has favored Terran in most of the premier tournaments this year.
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Do we get ye olde finals today?
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love to see Serral crush roach vs roach with tunnelling claws like it's 2018
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Man, Serral crumbling every game 5 vs Reynor this year is something.
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wow Serral almost had miracle come back there, but Reynor triumphs once again
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That was good start of a comeback from Serral, but Reynor really sealed the deal with his tech. And yeah this rivalry is really starting to become one-sided outcome-wise.
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I really think Serral could have started to even out the game if he had defended with his lurkers at the end. Maybe the vipers would still have been too much though
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Kind of surprised those mutas surprised Serral so badly
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On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z. We've had periods where Naniwa, Neeb and Lilbow dominated the foreign scene.
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Hoping Clem takes this next TvT, not only to improve his confidence in this matchup, but also so we can get a competitive LB final. Game on!
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I want to see Big Gabe break out and become even bigger. Go Gabe!
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On November 08 2020 04:46 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 03:55 Calliope wrote:On November 08 2020 03:13 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 darklycid wrote:On November 08 2020 03:12 ytherik wrote:On November 08 2020 03:09 Calliope wrote: This young man is the boss. I love Big Gabe but I'm crossing my fingers for Clem, he is our only hope among this Z dominance. Can't see Heromarine having any chance against Serral or Reynor on these maps. Imagine thinking T is currently not favored in TvZ smh Kr terrans look pretty good in tvz rn even vs serral/reynor :D edit: misread im dumb Yeah exactly my point. But Calliope seems to be stuck in 2019 :D And 2020, only the last GSL was not a z fest. After 10 years there still is no foreigner who can dominate with any other race than Z. We've had periods where Naniwa, Neeb and Lilbow dominated the foreign scene.
I don't think he meant locally.
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These little marines squads running around as spotters is a small arms race. Years ago it was 1, then it became 2 cause your 2 marines will kill your opponents 1 marine and now a 3 marine squad isn't uncommon. I wonder how high it will go?
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Good win from Clem, now has taken the last 4 matches from Gabe. Also means we are going to get another Clem-Serral, and as good as Heromarine is. His TvZ just isnt good enough to make it competitive. So as viewers, it just keeps getting better!
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Damn, little god. And we get another Clem vs Serral! Regardless what happens, the viewer wins!
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On November 08 2020 05:44 royalroadweed wrote: These little marines squads running around as spotters is a small arms race. Years ago it was 1, then it became 2 cause your 2 marines will kill your opponents 1 marine and now a 3 marine squad isn't uncommon. I wonder how high it will go? I'm ready for the "spotter" 20 marine force lol
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So it is Clem vs The Zerg Police
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I played like that in 2010(in regards of g1 of Future vs Scarlett)!
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I love how the casters tell it as it is when players make an error - I appreciate the bluntness
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Hm, Neeb didnt look great at the start of the year and thought Covid would help him as that mean the regionals came back and he would play mostly against NA players again.. But boy, even in NA he now isnt the king pin anymore it seems.. And thats not just because of Neeb.. Astrea really stepped it up these last 12 months.
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On November 08 2020 08:09 ilax30 wrote: Hm, Neeb didnt look great at the start of the year and thought Covid would help him as that mean the regionals came back and he would play mostly against NA players again.. But boy, even in NA he now isnt the king pin anymore it seems.. And thats not just because of Neeb.. Astrea really stepped it up these last 12 months.
Astrea has improved and I'm glad that happened but Neeb has been playing so much worse in 2020, it feels like he's barely a top 10 non korean atm.
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On November 08 2020 08:26 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2020 08:09 ilax30 wrote: Hm, Neeb didnt look great at the start of the year and thought Covid would help him as that mean the regionals came back and he would play mostly against NA players again.. But boy, even in NA he now isnt the king pin anymore it seems.. And thats not just because of Neeb.. Astrea really stepped it up these last 12 months. Astrea has improved and I'm glad that happened but Neeb has been playing so much worse in 2020, it feels like he's barely a top 10 non korean atm. He has improved for sure, but it seems like toss right now are a bit disheartened in general which might have influenced Neeb as well Toss are more or less extinct when it comes to winning big tourneys the last couple of years, and now when Blizzard will only make tweaks at most to change anything in the game, that will probably continue to be the case in the future of sc2. So no new young player will begin and chose toss in the hope of becoming a winner in the bigger events, and the older ones who continues will have to choose if it is worth the effort they put in.
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u'd think someone who's made over $800,000 in prize money could afford to turn up the heat
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Damn, like yesterday, the obs is pretty poor.
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This matchup Looks really sketchy atm
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I thought this game was completely over when Clem's army got pushed back and at the same time he lost 20 some scvs
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The cost efficiency of Terran units is just disgusting
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Serral keeps finding ways to lose vs the new bloods.
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cant believe Serral threw this games
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Serral played that very poorly once he was ahead, pretty unusual
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Hm, not sure where it went wrong for Serral, tried to do too many things at once?
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How does the guy multi-task like that (yes, he was distracted at times and got hit by banelings) but still, this was a master class of multipronged awareness, omg!
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Serral so good he's advanced the classic "Ultralisks into lose" strat into its next form, "Hive into lose"
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Yeah uncharacteristic play from Serral--messing up some micro is one thing, but that decision making was another.
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On November 09 2020 03:36 Waxangel wrote: u'd think someone who's made over $800,000 in prize money could afford to turn up the heat
He's Finnish, it's a question of national pride
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On November 09 2020 03:58 Waxangel wrote: Serral so good he's advanced the classic "Ultralisks into lose" strat into its next form, "Hive into lose" Maybe it was ultra cavern into lose all along
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Serral is really overthinking these games, it seems. If you put an Elazer-tier zerg into that midgame position it would still look very favourable for the zerg, but Serral just kind of whittled his lead down to nothing
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On November 09 2020 03:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah uncharacteristic play from Serral--messing up some micro is one thing, but that decision making was another. yeah it felt like he was almost always fighting way of creep and losing tons of banelings, Clem did play amazing in the second half of that game but i don't think he should have been able to win that one
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It's been 10 long years, but those of us who stuck with the game may be rewarded with The Foreign Terran Hope. I want to believe.
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It looked like Serral wanted to go Ultras but Clem made too many Marauders before Ultras were even out, so there was no point buying Ultras anymore.
Maybe he should take a page from Reynor's book and go straight into Lurkers these days.
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Cure-ious playstyle from Clem
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Serral looks pretty much not so good this series.
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Terran attacks from start to finish in every zvt after these last patches, it's really one sided. Also the risk reward on mine drops is off after getting cloak so easily
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ok that was Maru level multitasking
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Damn, Clem is brutal, he is dominating Serral this game.
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Damn, Serral getting outclassed like that is yet another trait of 2020, isn't it.
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Damn that was the kind of beatdown we're more accustomed to see Clem put on the likes of far lesser zergs.
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Damn what has happened to this matchup. It's frustrating to watch even. Used to be one of the best matchups to watch...
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That was just really good from Clem.
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Clem just took all the tempo in that map, Serral was not making any moves himself, he was always reacting to what Clem was throwing at him. Maybe it's time to go mutas again? Just to get some initiative and map control?
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On November 09 2020 04:09 Tsubbi wrote: Terran attacks from start to finish in every zvt after these last patches, it's really one sided. Also the risk reward on mine drops is off after getting cloak so easily Ah cmon - Just because we finally see one guy outmultitasking Serral we don't have to immediately blame it on balance
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On November 09 2020 04:09 Charoisaur wrote: ok that was Maru level multitasking
Yes, this is pure poetry. How is he everywhere? Seriously worried about his wrists, though.
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TvZ is so fun to watch these days, especially when the terran wins
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Can't wait to see everyone battling it out at Katowice 2021. It's going to be so sick.
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Really takes me back to when terrans first discovered the power of widow whines in hots tvz
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On November 09 2020 04:11 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:09 Tsubbi wrote: Terran attacks from start to finish in every zvt after these last patches, it's really one sided. Also the risk reward on mine drops is off after getting cloak so easily Ah cmon - Just because we finally see one guy outmultitasking Serral we don't have to immediately blame it on balance We just had another ZvZ winner finals but zerg players here are convinced the game is unplayable.
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Man, imagine playing against this as a zerg, you have to react to so many mines everywhere on the map.
Clem's multitasking is too much.
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On November 09 2020 04:12 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:11 Charoisaur wrote:On November 09 2020 04:09 Tsubbi wrote: Terran attacks from start to finish in every zvt after these last patches, it's really one sided. Also the risk reward on mine drops is off after getting cloak so easily Ah cmon - Just because we finally see one guy outmultitasking Serral we don't have to immediately blame it on balance We just had another ZvZ winner finals but zerg players here are convinced the game is unplayable. yeah its a little crazy, if anyone should be complaining about balance it is Protoss rn
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also Serral won their first series Just seems to be having a bad day
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Love how no matter what the matchup is and who's winning it, there's always balance whine in this thread.
I gotta say, Clem looks a tad sharper than their previous series in the Upper Bracket (a series that looked decent for him at one point too), and it's making a big difference. Serral looks sloppier, but it's hard to tell if it's just the elevated level of Clem causing more unforced errors or he's just not quite in the zone today. Either way, Serral has been noticeably un-clutch this year, despite still having a very high skill level.
Rooting for Clem just so we get to see all of the Big 3 of Europe play each other again this tournament.
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Clem is super greedy and Serral is doing nothing about it plus he should really play lurker style if he has troubles with mine
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Interesting that Serral went for the early ravager poke on Romanticide rather than on the other maps which aren't as good for zerg.
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Serral needs to smash this fourth base, I don't like his chances if Clem gets that established and can start playing off of four base econ.
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Window mines are just swarm host level of stupid. It's not about balance. It's about stupid design and risk-reward ratio.
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Serral's burrow roaches
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United States32499 Posts
another game where Serral has Vipers in anticipation of Tanks but has nothing to do except parasitic bomb medivacs :o
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Clem throwing it by not going tanks vs mass Roach Ravager?
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On November 09 2020 04:24 ytherik wrote: Window mines are just swarm host level of stupid. It's not about balance. It's about stupid design and risk-reward ratio.
It's not about balance or design or even widow mines. It's about people getting butthurt when Serral loses.
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On November 09 2020 04:27 Charoisaur wrote: Clem throwing it by not going tanks vs mass Roach Ravager?
That's just Clem's playstyle. He doesn't seem to favour tanks all that often in longer macro games.
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Can't believe out of these 3 games, that's the one that Serral won.
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Still feels like a consolation win though
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great comeback! but Serral looks way too vulnerable
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On November 09 2020 04:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:27 Charoisaur wrote: Clem throwing it by not going tanks vs mass Roach Ravager? That's just Clem's playstyle. He doesn't seem to favour tanks all that often in longer macro games. I'm pretty sure though you win almost 100% if you go for a 2/2 tank timing after defending a mass Roach Ravager attack. This way he allowed Serral to go to the lategame.
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Tbh I think that was a bit of nerves from Clem. He could probably just have sat back a bit longer (and defended the burrow roaches) but seemed overeager to end the game.
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Clem is improving at a scary pace. I really want to see him winning this whole thing now over Serral and Raynor both (i know its almost impossible, but just imagine!) Nicest kid and what a talent
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On November 09 2020 04:35 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 09 2020 04:27 Charoisaur wrote: Clem throwing it by not going tanks vs mass Roach Ravager? That's just Clem's playstyle. He doesn't seem to favour tanks all that often in longer macro games. I'm pretty sure though you win almost 100% if you go for a 2/2 tank timing after defending a mass Roach Ravager attack. This way he allowed Serral to go to the lategame.
Tanks might be the textbook answer, but if Clem rarely practices that style and usually just goes for fewer mines and more marauders against ravagers, there is some additional risk to changing it up on the fly.
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On November 09 2020 04:35 sneakyfox wrote: Tbh I think that was a bit of nerves from Clem. He could probably just have sat back a bit longer (and defended the burrow roaches) but seemed overeager to end the game. He totally went for the ''forget base, micro the attack''.
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Serral didn't target the medivac at all!?
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Sick pick up micro. Imagine what Clem would do with 5 pick up range.
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On November 09 2020 04:42 Charoisaur wrote: Serral didn't target the medivac at all!? Evidently. I doubt medivac can survive so long against this many queens without ignoring it.
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Well played by Clem, what a beast TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;(
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Rotti is such a huge Serral fan, he looks dead inside.
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On November 09 2020 04:42 Charoisaur wrote: Serral didn't target the medivac at all!? Yeah really not sure what happened there, would have to rewatch it to see if Clem maybe kept microing it out of range.
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On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;(
what are you talking about?!
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So beautiful! There is still hope. For three years I promised myself to quit this game, but like a moth to the flame I kept returning. It starts paying off, foreign T hope! Little god!
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On November 09 2020 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:24 ytherik wrote: Window mines are just swarm host level of stupid. It's not about balance. It's about stupid design and risk-reward ratio. It's not about balance or design or even widow mines. It's about people getting butthurt when Serral loses. And you manage to balance whine about toss in ZvT matchup.
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On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?!
I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg...
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GOAT can't win region locked tournament a single time in a year.
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On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... the top Zergs aren't supposed to lose to the top players of the other races.
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On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: Well played by Clem, what a beast TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?!
The amount of effective builds/openings Terran can do right now vs Z seems crazy.
Feels like Z has to either cheese or take punches for 12 minutes while scouting and defending perfectly to maybe have a slight chance in the late game.
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On November 09 2020 04:49 Morbidius wrote: GOAT can't win region locked tournament a single time in a year. hahhhaha where's Xainon when we need him?
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On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg...
yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP...
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On November 09 2020 04:48 Ryndika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 09 2020 04:24 ytherik wrote: Window mines are just swarm host level of stupid. It's not about balance. It's about stupid design and risk-reward ratio. It's not about balance or design or even widow mines. It's about people getting butthurt when Serral loses. And you manage to balance whine about toss in ZvT matchup.
Dunno what you're talking about--I haven't mentioned toss.
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that widowmine drops from Clem did remind me how Cure beat both Serral and Reynor few weeks ago
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On November 09 2020 04:51 tennisl wrote: that widowmine drops from Clem did remind me how Cure beat both Serral and Reynor few weeks ago
correct. However that there was a mistake both times as siege tanks are a better strategy
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On November 09 2020 04:50 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:49 Morbidius wrote: GOAT can't win region locked tournament a single time in a year. hahhhaha where's Xainon when we need him?
I'm here but that's so senseless it doesn't even trigger me. GOAT has nothing to do with winning a certain tournament, Serral being the GOAT is something you guys are more obsessed than me with and I have never denied that this year he hasn't been as good as the previous ones.
I am rooting for Clem to win a Dreamhack, I'm actually happy he advanced.
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I am quite sad for Serral But Gg Clem !
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On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP...
Why are you looking at the score only?
The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits.
At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech.
Nevertheless, Clem played phenomenally today. Congrats to him.
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On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. reynors g onna win this just watch the final
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How about looking at this next series before coming to big conclusions?
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On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. Nevertheless, Clem played phenomenally today. Congrats to him.
This wierd and anachronistic balance whine is disregarding pretty much the entire tournament except the games vs Clem. What foremost needs lamenting is the state of P.
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On November 09 2020 05:03 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. Nevertheless, Clem played phenomenally today. Congrats to him. This wierd and anachronistic balance whine is disregarding pretty much the entire tournament except the games vs Clem. What foremost needs lamenting is the state of P.
The state of P is tragic I agree.
Okay let's see what Reynor can do here, for a moment I forgot about the wonder kid
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On November 09 2020 05:03 Calliope wrote: What foremost needs lamenting is the state of P.
Needs mourning.
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On November 09 2020 05:03 Calliope wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. Nevertheless, Clem played phenomenally today. Congrats to him. This wierd and anachronistic balance whine is disregarding pretty much the entire tournament except the games vs Clem. What foremost needs lamenting is the state of P.
yeah broken logic and missed facts prevail here big time. We have now the dream finals of two wunderkinds!!!
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lets go Clem
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On November 09 2020 05:01 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. reynors g onna win this just watch the final
such a transparent reverse jinx
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On November 09 2020 05:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 05:03 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:58 ytherik wrote:On November 09 2020 04:51 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:49 Calliope wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:[B]On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! I don't understand anything. Is he angry that it is not a ZvZ finals like usual? Z has 70% win rates and the winners bracket winner is zerg... yes seems like maru loosing to a terran and serral splitting series with a terran is a sign of terran being OP... Why are you looking at the score only? The series Serral won vs Clem were 2x cheese wins and one barely won with many lucky bane hits. At no point it looked like Z has viable choices to put T under pressure except cheesing. It's just not the ZvT I loved to watch in the past so I am a little sad. It seems too one sided these days where T is doing constant aggression and Z can't do much about it except taking punches and hoping to survive until 3/3 and Hive tech. Nevertheless, Clem played phenomenally today. Congrats to him. This wierd and anachronistic balance whine is disregarding pretty much the entire tournament except the games vs Clem. What foremost needs lamenting is the state of P. yeah broken logic and missed facts prevail here big time. We have now the dream finals of two wunderkinds!!!
It's a dream! I hope it will be as good as the two vs serral games. I don't really like Clem's chances with Reynor 1 game up and the first map being Jagganatha, though. Being a negative nancy I am also a bit scared of whathever impact fatigue may have. The Serral matches, particularly the first two maps seemed extremely intense.
Still, I trust these guys to give us the zvt this game was made for!
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Reynor 4-1, it feels like
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4-2 Reynor imo. Clem should be able to win Submarine and Oxide.
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How many maps up does he start again?
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On November 09 2020 04:50 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: Well played by Clem, what a beast TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! The amount of effective builds/openings Terran can do right now vs Z seems crazy. Feels like Z has to either cheese or take punches for 12 minutes while scouting and defending perfectly to maybe have a slight chance in the late game. so hows it going?
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On November 09 2020 05:17 Gina wrote: How many maps up does he start again?
Well there is the one he earns from winning the upper bracket and then there is ZERGANNATHA!!
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Sorry, Xainon's answer is the right one =)
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On November 09 2020 05:18 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 04:50 ytherik wrote:On November 09 2020 04:47 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 09 2020 04:46 ytherik wrote: Well played by Clem, what a beast TvZ looking rather sad for Z though ;( what are you talking about?! The amount of effective builds/openings Terran can do right now vs Z seems crazy. Feels like Z has to either cheese or take punches for 12 minutes while scouting and defending perfectly to maybe have a slight chance in the late game. so hows it going?
I would like to say that kid is already restoring my hope for Z but I would like to see some normal games first
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On November 09 2020 05:19 Gina wrote: Sorry, Xainon's answer is the right one =)
Oh okay, yeah, Jagannatha is a weird map. Why have something that lopsided in? Isn't it almost Lost temple levels of bad, where your nat was pretty much your opponent's nat.
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That wasn't even hold-position lurkers was it--just lurkers on the other side of the Line of Sight blockers...
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Clem pulling out miracle wins is a nice change of pace cos it felt last season it was the opposite. He was getting into good positions and then losing the epic games.
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On November 09 2020 05:02 Gina wrote: How about looking at this next series before coming to big conclusions? What absolute insanity is this? :O
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On November 09 2020 05:32 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 05:02 Gina wrote: How about looking at this next series before coming to big conclusions? What absolute insanity is this? :O
this is sports; the only thing that matters is the thing that JUST happened
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On November 09 2020 05:31 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That wasn't even hold-position lurkers was it--just lurkers on the other side of the Line of Sight blockers... perhaps both
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Really impressive. Back in DH Fall Clem played his bio/mine games very well, but didn't have much of a range of builds. You can see the improvement.
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France12466 Posts
Let's go Clem!!! 2 more! Totally doable
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I think its quite smart for Clem to throw out a mech build once in a while. His bio is so scary that his mech can catch players off guard.
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Wow using varied openers sure makes a difference doesn't it
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Clem is doing! I'm not believing! Maybe it is an anime!!!
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holy my, Clem is doing it, its clutch time! This is when its the hardest!
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One more Clem!!! Gogo! The prophecy! Clem on top of the foreign world!! From top 3 to top 2 to top 1
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This is season one guys. Main villain gonna reveal a new form and send the MC back to training.
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C'mon Clem, crush the Zerg duopoly!
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I think it is actually MVP in disguise. "How did you let Z dominate you for so many years, boys? Let me show you how it's done"
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Reminder that Reynor came back from 2-3 to win the last EU finals against Clem :0
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Reynor surprisingly looking even more hopeless than Serral in those games.
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On November 09 2020 06:17 Waxangel wrote: Reminder that Reynor came back from 2-3 to win the last EU finals against Clem :0
Except this time it was Reynor with the game advantage so Clem actually has the momentum here, whereas the feeling of last time was very different with essentially a 2-2 actual game score.
Felling much more confident this time!
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2 years of 75% ZvZ finals in Europe: Game is fine, best players are winning. A Terran makes it to the finals after fighting it out on the lower bracket: Unplayable garbage. Stay predictable EU zerg fans.
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Pillars used to be very good for Zerg in TvZ, but recently Terran has been seeing much more success on it. Not sure what they figured out (though it could just be random variation).
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Lower bracket advantage seems to hold in EU over Reynor's claim to the throne. I find it quite interesting if the player from the lower bracket has won all the three bo7s in EU this year. Getting warmed up playing the lower bracket final seems like a good thing.
E: as I write it Clem closes it out, GG!
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CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I stand corrected. Clement "Anime Protagonist" Desplanches indeed.
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Someone predicted Reynor will win a ZvT?
That said, great story arc for Clem, only needs a proper conclusion at global round.
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finally the bugs lose!
great games Clem
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2 best Eu zergs down, what is happening? :D
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Damn, congrats Clem, his first big win!!! He showed an incredible level of play today!
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Fuck yeah!!! Congratulations Clem!
Huge fucking series, total domination, best foreigner, it took more time than expected but 2020 year of Clem indeed, prophecy was right all along
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I guess him mixing up his standard stellar bio play gave him the unpredictability that put him over the top.
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really really impressive stuff
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On November 09 2020 06:26 Penev wrote: finally the bugs lose!
great games Clem
Nostradamus level sig right there
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It happened, it finally happened! According to keikaku. He looks like a French boy, but he is actually a god. We did our waiting, 3 years of it, in Azkaban. For a poet behind a keyboard.
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Clemmmmmm.
Still think he’s below Reynor and Serral as an overall player and outside of the TvZ paradigm but it’s getting bloody close!
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On November 09 2020 06:28 royalroadweed wrote: I guess him mixing up his standard stellar bio play gave him the unpredictability that put him over the top.
Reynor said Clem was too predictable last time, so Clem played like he used to do the whole tournament before operating a drastical change in the finals! Well done!!
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Man, this 4~5 weeks of Terrans winning really feels like it came out of nowhere...
...or did it ?
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Great games today, congratulations to Clem.
I have started this year watching SC2 again after 6-7 years of hiatus and boy, the game and players are simply amazing to watch.
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Can't remember the last time it has been so open at the top level, both in EU and Korea. Will be awesome to see everyone clash at Katowice. Surely Clem is ready to step it up and play well at a global event now.
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The kid is good at StarCraft
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Congrats Clem, finally we have a top level foreign Terran!
As a salty Zerg I can't help but notice the matchup doesn't look too hot for Z for quite some time now.
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Clem! Holy shit. I was worried there a few times.
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Grats to Clem! The prophecy has been fulfilled!
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those bane snipes in the last game were clutch af
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HE WAS AN UNDERDOGS CHAMPION
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On November 09 2020 06:29 WombaT wrote: Clemmmmmm.
Still think he’s below Reynor and Serral as an overall player and outside of the TvZ paradigm but it’s getting bloody close!
Wait what? Clearly Clem is the GOAT.
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On November 09 2020 06:29 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:26 Penev wrote: finally the bugs lose!
great games Clem Nostradamus level sig right there I changed it, maybe it helps
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Can we call him the GOAT now or do we wait until Global finals?
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So happy for him, must have been devastating playing T among such Z dominance all this time. Funka "Passion Personified" sounded like Johnny Cash, so hoarse he could hardly speak.
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Still that g2 though. Don't think I've seen a burrow play fail that badly since Moon's banelings.
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Clem went to the Serral school of interviews
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On November 09 2020 06:36 Waxangel wrote:Clem went to the Serral school of interviews hes so happy ^_^
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On November 09 2020 06:31 ytherik wrote: Congrats Clem, finally we have a top level foreign Terran!
As a salty Zerg I can't help but notice the matchup doesn't look too hot for Z for quite some time now.
Yeah, apparently that 45.9% TvZ winrate is totally unacceptable.
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I turned on the broadcast 20 minutes late to see Reynor about to go up 3-0. Brilliant varied strategies from Clem. Stunning comeback
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On November 09 2020 06:35 royalroadweed wrote: Still that g2 though. Don't think I've seen a burrow play fail that badly since Moon's banelings. It wasn't a play. He had no vision so his lurkers couldn't fire until the tanks were on top, leaving the marines untouched.
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On November 09 2020 06:39 Pwere wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:35 royalroadweed wrote: Still that g2 though. Don't think I've seen a burrow play fail that badly since Moon's banelings. It wasn't a play. He had no vision so his lurkers couldn't fire until the tanks were on top, leaving the marines untouched. but still he burrowed them there as a trap. that kinda backfired
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he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights
actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not
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Can't imagine that the season finals start in a few days. This was enough of a catharsis already (also, the finals are usually plagued by lag etc, so this was better).
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On November 09 2020 06:34 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:29 sneakyfox wrote:On November 09 2020 06:26 Penev wrote: finally the bugs lose!
great games Clem Nostradamus level sig right there I changed it, maybe it helps
Surely no one person could wield such power...
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On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not
I think it's a good one, as far as I know he defeated Tehenshihan the first time he took off all the weights
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On November 09 2020 06:45 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I think it's a good one, as far as I know he defeated Tehenshihan the first time he took off all the weights
Comparing Reynor to Tenshinhan seems kinda rude to Reynor. At least it's not Yamcha.
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Damn I forgot Scarlett was still in the NA playoffs
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On November 09 2020 06:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:45 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I think it's a good one, as far as I know he defeated Tehenshihan the first time he took off all the weights Comparing Reynor to Tenshinhan seems kinda rude to Reynor. At least it's not Yamcha.
it's only insulting in hindsight where we know the entire arc of the series.
back in the day the writer was just churning out new villains that were supposed to be the strongest one ever faced
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On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I’m not sure it works like that, otherwise me playing years of WC3 without a right click would have made me gosu!
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If Feardragon's anime model of SCII is true, being in the winner's bracket and starting with a one map advantage is the worst thing that could possibly happen to Astrea.
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On November 09 2020 07:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I’m not sure it works like that, otherwise me playing years of WC3 without a right click would have made me gosu!
you joke but there was an era where mac players were playing StarCraft 1 with a one-button mouse
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On November 09 2020 07:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:01 WombaT wrote:On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I’m not sure it works like that, otherwise me playing years of WC3 without a right click would have made me gosu! you joke but there was an era where mac players were playing StarCraft 1 with a one-button mouse I was a Mac player with one of said mice.
Long time user of their products but fuck me that was a ridiculously stubborn stance of theirs for years haha
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On November 09 2020 06:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:45 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I think it's a good one, as far as I know he defeated Tehenshihan the first time he took off all the weights Comparing Reynor to Tenshinhan seems kinda rude to Reynor. At least it's not Yamcha.
Well, the comparison Wax did works even if Reynor now is stronger than Tehenshinan in that tournament(he got to the semifinals there tho, it wasn't bad).
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Scarlett not converting her mineral bank into a sea of spores? Losing her touch at playing insufferably long and painful games I see .
I'm still worried about a potential Scarlett vs Maru match in the season finals
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On November 09 2020 06:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 06:45 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 06:42 Waxangel wrote:he finally started using a real keyboard and it was like when goku took off all the weights actually maybe this is a bad comparison because I don't remember if goku ended up winning that fight or not I think it's a good one, as far as I know he defeated Tehenshihan the first time he took off all the weights Comparing Reynor to Tenshinhan seems kinda rude to Reynor. At least it's not Yamcha. Hey at that moment in time Tenshinhan was one of the 5 strongest characters in DB. And that's not unfair to Reynor. Though Reynor is unlikely to get power crept as hard as him.
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Who is the Krillen of SC2?
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On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap.
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On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:Trap.
I would say Brat_Ok!
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On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know.
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On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know.
Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then!
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On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo tier.
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On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo.
But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan.
Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list.
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On November 09 2020 07:49 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo. But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan. Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list. Zest?
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On November 09 2020 07:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:49 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo. But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan. Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list. Zest?
Zest is way too strong, currently Krillin is totally irrelevamg if compared to Goku.
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On November 09 2020 07:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:49 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo. But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan. Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list. Zest? Stephano?
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On November 09 2020 08:10 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 07:59 WombaT wrote:On November 09 2020 07:49 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo. But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan. Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list. Zest? Stephano?
Stephano was really good at one point--Krillin was never that good.
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On November 09 2020 08:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 08:10 starkiller123 wrote:On November 09 2020 07:59 WombaT wrote:On November 09 2020 07:49 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:44 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:40 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:38 Elentos wrote:On November 09 2020 07:32 Xain0n wrote:On November 09 2020 07:25 Morbidius wrote:On November 09 2020 07:24 WombaT wrote: Who is the Krillen of SC2? Trap. I would say Brat_Ok! Krillin is an actually important character I'll have you know. Hmm well ok he was somehow relevant in the Freezer saga. TLO then! Realistically if this analogy is to make any sense and Reynor is Tenshinhan the step down to Krillin can't be this huge and Krillin ends up being Heromarine. Or maybe Lambo. But Reynor is not Tehenshihan, Wax says that Clem freed himself of a burden like Goku did against Tehenshihan. Sc2's Krillin must be someone that was relevant at the start and who's still around now despite being way lower in the tier list. Zest? Stephano? Stephano was really good at one point--Krillin was never that good. GunGFuBanDa, he was decent/somewhat good in 2015 and now is on the fringe of the scene
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Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well.
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On November 09 2020 08:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well. theyre invisible from mothership have longer range and tempset instakill viper if they get anywhere near
theres a reason no zerg wants to play lategame right now
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On November 09 2020 08:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well. Neeb showed why he was arguably the best late game protoss in 2017 in that last game.
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On November 09 2020 08:26 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 08:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well. theyre invisible from mothership have longer range and tempset instakill viper if they get anywhere near theres a reason no zerg wants to play lategame right now
The European Protosses still managed to get everything abducted and their skytoss armies jumped upon most of the lategame PvZs they played from what I saw, so it's still pretty impressive from Neeb. With perfect play (and both players being equal when entering the lategame) things do look good for Protoss currently, but perfect play is hard to find.
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On November 09 2020 08:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 08:26 Scarlett` wrote:On November 09 2020 08:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well. theyre invisible from mothership have longer range and tempset instakill viper if they get anywhere near theres a reason no zerg wants to play lategame right now The European Protosses still managed to get everything abducted and their skytoss armies jumped upon most of the lategame PvZs they played from what I saw, so it's still pretty impressive from Neeb. With perfect play (and both players being equal when entering the lategame) things do look good for Protoss currently, but perfect play is hard to find. some of them skip tempest which make the game much easier to play for Z
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Oh this is our full NA game of the finals. I wonder what Astrea thought this build was when he cancelled his forge.
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I don't understand why Neeb sat back like that the entire game.
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That was terrible from Astrea!
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Wait, why did Neeb let the 3 cannons finish behind his mineral line? Could he have built cannons to cover it?
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Sometimes I really dislike this format, 1 game advantage and all
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Great, Max Angel winning with a full NA build!
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On November 09 2020 08:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 08:26 Scarlett` wrote:On November 09 2020 08:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb's playstyle is infuriating, but he's handling the viper vs high templar dance quite well. Vipers have so many advantages in that dance (they fly, they're faster, abduct is an instant kill as opposed to feedback), but he's leveraging his own advantages (mothership cloak, revelation, zoning with tempests) really well. theyre invisible from mothership have longer range and tempset instakill viper if they get anywhere near theres a reason no zerg wants to play lategame right now The European Protosses still managed to get everything abducted and their skytoss armies jumped upon most of the lategame PvZs they played from what I saw, so it's still pretty impressive from Neeb. With perfect play (and both players being equal when entering the lategame) things do look good for Protoss currently, but perfect play is hard to find. EU Protoss gameplay doesn't come close to the bullshit Neeb(or KR)can pull off. Showtime looks good because he can upset any Protoss in PvP but that's about it, you know 3-0s are coming when he's against T or Z.
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Im affraid no EU protoss is contender for top4 anymore. Showtime was solid, Skillous also, but they cant really upset topdogs. Astrea and Neeb on otherside have slightly better chances.
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On November 09 2020 20:17 followZeRoX wrote: Im affraid no EU protoss is contender for top4 anymore. Showtime was solid, Skillous also, but they cant really upset topdogs. Astrea and Neeb on otherside have slightly better chances.
I am not sure, Showtime can very well beat Heromarine. The most promising players in the next generation of gamers are Protoss but they might rise too late for Sc2 to have a such active(and highly funded) competitive scene; I am looking at Arrogfire, Exostriker and so on. MaxPax could make it in time but I really think next patch should help Protoss at least a little!
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Anyone have some favorite games? I missed a bunch during the week and don't want to watch everything, ha.
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On November 09 2020 23:31 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2020 20:17 followZeRoX wrote: Im affraid no EU protoss is contender for top4 anymore. Showtime was solid, Skillous also, but they cant really upset topdogs. Astrea and Neeb on otherside have slightly better chances. I am not sure, Showtime can very well beat Heromarine. The most promising players in the next generation of gamers are Protoss but they might rise too late for Sc2 to have a such active(and highly funded) competitive scene; I am looking at Arrogfire, Exostriker and so on. MaxPax could make it in time but I really think next patch should help Protoss at least a little!
I agree completely but I was talking about this DH (Winter). It seemed like Showtime is off, Skillous had good start and overall performed well but lacked some tweeks to compete for top4.
I dont know wheather protoss youngsters will arrive in time to contest in sc2 because its future is doubtful but this season protoss had the most representstives but no one shined.
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