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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-20 15:17:02
July 20 2020 15:16 GMT
#141
On July 20 2020 23:49 ytherik wrote:
It's mind-boggling how consistent Serral is with his level of play. Tournament after torunmanet he keeps delivering.


Since 2018 the only truly embarrassing tournament for Serral was TSL5 (even when eliminated he looks strong, or is already deep), although I guess with Serral anything that isn't a win kinda feels embarrassing
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 20 2020 15:19 GMT
#142
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


Truth is bait? The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

As I am saying not sure why that is and it kind of pisses me off but what can we do. Serral is truly special in this with his godlike consistency across all the events he attends, I only with the koreans had the same level of tenacity and winners mindset.

I mean just look at the last game of Rogue vs Clem. Rogue didnt even try, it was a wonky strategy that any better terran would punish so hard and win with the first push. Made for a good game in the end, but hardly a solid display...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 20 2020 15:42 GMT
#143
Damn, Rogue is sooo strong with Mutas!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 20 2020 15:43 GMT
#144
Clem had the game won with that push and messed up dying to banes.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4041 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-20 15:43:30
July 20 2020 15:43 GMT
#145
nice games at the end! Experience prevailed, but still solid effort from Clem.
Drone is a way of living
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
July 20 2020 15:44 GMT
#146
The loss 20 marines to 2 bane and then a medivac with 3 mines just killed Clem's momentum.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 20 2020 15:48 GMT
#147
Last 2 matches were good but I feel like Clem should have won 2:0 against Rogue and even in game 3 he had an advantage
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
July 20 2020 20:38 GMT
#148
On July 21 2020 00:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

When opinion gets labeled as "undeniable fact" and "truth"...if I were feeling humorous, I'd imagine this were a CNN reporter who happens to be into SC2.
elluel
Profile Joined October 2019
62 Posts
July 20 2020 20:56 GMT
#149
sigh another tournament but casters ;(
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
July 20 2020 20:58 GMT
#150
On July 21 2020 05:38 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 00:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

When opinion gets labeled as "undeniable fact" and "truth"...if I were feeling humorous, I'd imagine this were a CNN reporter who happens to be into SC2.


I wouldn't say this is an deniable fact and truth, but it is known in sports, not just e-sports in general, that players never give it their 100% unless it counts. Just look at LeBron James if you watch NBA. He's usually coasting, going at the game at like probably 70% to 80% of his max potential.

Nothing wrong with this though. Players want to save builds or hide their strengths and weaknesses.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
July 20 2020 21:20 GMT
#151
On July 21 2020 05:58 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 05:38 tigon_ridge wrote:
On July 21 2020 00:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

When opinion gets labeled as "undeniable fact" and "truth"...if I were feeling humorous, I'd imagine this were a CNN reporter who happens to be into SC2.


I wouldn't say this is an deniable fact and truth, but it is known in sports, not just e-sports in general, that players never give it their 100% unless it counts. Just look at LeBron James if you watch NBA. He's usually coasting, going at the game at like probably 70% to 80% of his max potential.

Nothing wrong with this though. Players want to save builds or hide their strengths and weaknesses.

Were those KR protosses also hiding builds vs him in GSL v TW 2019, when Serral 3-1 all of them? Why would Trap hide builds that far into the tournament, where he could win 4k USD more and a premier win over a player whom every Korean would covet a win against, just to have a somewhat better chance at advancing into the highly overrated GSL tournament, where it's far from certain he would even make it out of his group?
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
July 20 2020 21:41 GMT
#152
On July 21 2020 05:58 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 05:38 tigon_ridge wrote:
On July 21 2020 00:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

When opinion gets labeled as "undeniable fact" and "truth"...if I were feeling humorous, I'd imagine this were a CNN reporter who happens to be into SC2.


I wouldn't say this is an deniable fact and truth, but it is known in sports, not just e-sports in general, that players never give it their 100% unless it counts. Just look at LeBron James if you watch NBA. He's usually coasting, going at the game at like probably 70% to 80% of his max potential.

Nothing wrong with this though. Players want to save builds or hide their strengths and weaknesses.


Well, there are still some variety in the standart play. I don't think the comparaison is very fair considering Lebron is focusing on the nba playoff and he is paid for it while the money gained by Korean players depend largely from tournaments.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26301 Posts
July 20 2020 22:00 GMT
#153
I mean even if Koreans couldn’t be arsed playing for money, tournament wins, Korean Starcraft pride etc, is Serral really sweating every tournament he enters?

Hell I remember the common consensus for years was SC2 was too volatile compared to see anything like this consistency unless a skill gap was huge (say Mvp going to MLGs early on).

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
July 21 2020 11:41 GMT
#154
Zest taking the cheeseboard into his own hands
Omit needles swords.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-21 11:53:20
July 21 2020 11:52 GMT
#155
It is likely that Parting, Zest and Serral may advances out of this group bracket.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
July 21 2020 12:28 GMT
#156
Smartly played by Clem starving out Zest. Although the Korean could of read the game a bit better. He must of thought Clem was much more all in only trying to get his 4th base up 15 min in the game
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 21 2020 12:29 GMT
#157
On July 21 2020 06:20 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2020 05:58 geokilla wrote:
On July 21 2020 05:38 tigon_ridge wrote:
On July 21 2020 00:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:48 Harris1st wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:33 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On July 20 2020 23:16 geokilla wrote:
Serral vs Clem was pretty amazing


sure but i refuse to live in a world where in such group with 4 korean pros the only game that matters is between 2 EU dogs


We have to acknowledge the reality here that koreans simply dont give a sh... about these kind of online tournaments. They are attending for the practice using wonky test builds that sometimes work, sometimes not.

Whether its them being lazier than the Europeans, different mentality, practice regimen we can only speculate but aside from the biggest tournaments, I haven't seen the Koreans perform on the highest level and take the games seriously. Which is a big shame for us, viewers because we get hyped for these kind of groups and then the only good match is Serral vs Clem...


lol nice bait

The worlds best player continues to deliver I'd say


The fact that Koreans are performing considerably worse on smaller events than in GSL/IEM/Blizzcon surely is undeniable right?

When opinion gets labeled as "undeniable fact" and "truth"...if I were feeling humorous, I'd imagine this were a CNN reporter who happens to be into SC2.


I wouldn't say this is an deniable fact and truth, but it is known in sports, not just e-sports in general, that players never give it their 100% unless it counts. Just look at LeBron James if you watch NBA. He's usually coasting, going at the game at like probably 70% to 80% of his max potential.

Nothing wrong with this though. Players want to save builds or hide their strengths and weaknesses.

Were those KR protosses also hiding builds vs him in GSL v TW 2019, when Serral 3-1 all of them? Why would Trap hide builds that far into the tournament, where he could win 4k USD more and a premier win over a player whom every Korean would covet a win against, just to have a somewhat better chance at advancing into the highly overrated GSL tournament, where it's far from certain he would even make it out of his group?


I was with you until the "overrated GSL tournament" part
Year of MaxPax
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
July 21 2020 12:48 GMT
#158
Zest's bank is best.
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
July 21 2020 12:55 GMT
#159
Seems to me the most intriguing match is saved till last today.
Omit needles swords.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 21 2020 12:59 GMT
#160
What a clem centric perspective of the match, at this point I expect wardii to switch to clem vision and narrate the game from there.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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