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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On May 02 2020 10:41 DiMano wrote: He did not qualify for EU because 2 spots in this qualifier, and he could be eliminated by losing to Lambo and then in the losers bracket, that is why he participated in NA, same for Lambo. ohhh | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
 I m glad Special and Lambo got to both winner finals, to Show how bad that scheduling was. Also can someone from TL please comment on the rumor about forcing NA Server? What is that supposed to do? EU allready has way more good Players AND less qualifying spots. They allready gave NA more spots to give South East Asia and Ozeanian Players a Chance to compete at reasonable ping. Edit: Vanya, Mana, Skillous all had to play NA, wich is obviously bad for Mana but horribly worse for the 2 Russians. Would have liked to see some sportsmanship out of Special there after arguments in Pro chat to say, he s playing EU Obviously can t blame him to take the advantage, but would have been a nice move | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 02 2020 14:59 BaneRiders wrote: Vanya, Mana and Skillous should be given a chance to play on the EU server. Correct this and replay the matches in that order before the AM qualifier continues. With any luck it brings back some excitement also to both qualifiers day 2. There is still time to fix this. Appearently Lambo and Special were told allready that they re both qualified.. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On May 02 2020 15:09 dbRic1203 wrote: Appearently Lambo and Special were told allready that they re both qualified.. Tough luck for them I would say. I think they should still have to play for it according to the rules. They are both in a terrific spot to qualify. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
Particularly funny to see considering Koreans can only play in their own server qualifier, too. Wonder why the same doesn't apply to NA and EU players? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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Elentos
55570 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18262 Posts
On May 02 2020 15:28 BaneRiders wrote: I mean, this is the first non-ESL tourney with EPT points right? And they can't even follow their own rules in the qualifiers? Is this the standard we should expect from all tourneys now, that they tweak the rules as they see fit to benefit certain players over others? Because in the end, this is what happened as far as I can tell. And that sucks. StayAtHSC gave EPT points, I think. It had its share of faux-pas, but nowhere near this level. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On May 02 2020 17:40 Acrofales wrote: StayAtHSC gave EPT points, I think. It had its share of faux-pas, but nowhere near this level. They removed their EPT points. | ||
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
Some person who was any idea about incentives should write a guide with a few rules to stick too to fight this. I will start with a few rules I see broken again and again. 1. I don't see any reason to make a tournament structure that does not have a field size that is a power of 2. As soon as you deviate from that you will always have weird seeding issues arising or horrible group stages (e.g. the 2016 football european championships) 2. This is especially true if the qualification round/ group stage that decides the seeding can not be played simultanously. This leads to situations like in the TSL where Clem ends up improving his seeding by losing the first EU qualifier. 3. Avoid matches without meaning at all costs. Professional players are hyper competitive and hate matches without any incentive, especially after they played through a taxing qualifier for multiple hours. Removing a winners bracket advantage for the final made the winners bracket final itself almost meaningless, once againg giving an incentive to pass on it or not take it seriously. 4. Be as clear about the rules as possible, before the tournament starts. Issues like which server the matches will be played on have to be written in stone, so there is not even the possiblity of discussion coming up. Obviously playin an EU qualifier on NA is dumb as fuck, but if it was known before players knew what they were getting into. This way it's just plain unfair and even worse if they were not consistent with forcing maps on NA. Those are the ones I find most important and keep seeing violated even for organizers who have been following the scene for years. I'm sure there are more, feel free to add. | ||
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Gina
241 Posts
It's all so sad. I'm not saying SKillous should beat Special, but the way you arrive at the predictable result should matter. Otherwise we might as well run tournaments on Aligulac and save the bother. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On May 02 2020 17:59 Gina wrote: But taking away the EPT points now would make it even worse. Some players already in might pull out, and the system of giving points would be compromised further. It's all so sad. I'm not saying SKillous should beat Special, but the way you arrive at the predictable result should matter. Otherwise we might as well run tournaments on Aligulac and save the bother. While that's certainly true, having a tournament that has this many fuck ups in the qualifier phase affect the global ranking for the world championship at the end of the season is hardly ideal either. We can only hope that other events further down the line work out better and are held to a higher standard so that ultimately TSL didn't affect anyone too negatively. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On May 02 2020 17:59 Gina wrote: But taking away the EPT points now would make it even worse. Some players already in might pull out, and the system of giving points would be compromised further. It's all so sad. I'm not saying SKillous should beat Special, but the way you arrive at the predictable result should matter. Otherwise we might as well run tournaments on Aligulac and save the bother. No need to take away the points, just play the games again that weren't played according to the rules (if the disadvantaged players are up for it). The bracket may end up looking identical for all we know. I can only assume ESL allowed this tournament to have points because it approved of the rules beforehand. Changing the rules in the middle of the tournament should probably require an additional approval of ESL before any points can be handed out. Breaking the rules deliberately should be reason enough for ESL to say it is a breech of our contract, no EPT points will be awarded. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On May 02 2020 18:38 JustPassingBy wrote: Having a EU qualifier where neither the players are restricted geographically, nor the games are restricted serverwise is just weird. Why bother calling it EU qualifier to begin with? Again, the servers are restricted according to the rules: https://cdn.eslgaming.com/misc/media/play/starcraft/tsl/TSL5_Qualifiers_Rulebook.pdf See section 1.1.3.1 | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On May 02 2020 18:47 BaneRiders wrote: Again, the servers are restricted according to the rules: https://cdn.eslgaming.com/misc/media/play/starcraft/tsl/TSL5_Qualifiers_Rulebook.pdf See section 1.1.3.1 Yes, but rules don't matter if they are broken by the tournament admins. | ||
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