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On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up.
It's you who's wrong though. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year, both times he avoided PvZ almost entirely until the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst.
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On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up.
Did you watch Traps Games vs Lambo and Elazer at Katowice? They prepared for him and dismantled his play. I m pretty sure a player like Dark is more than capable to 1 up that and utterly destroy him.
Also can you please point out to me where exactly Trap was good in PvZ last year?
http://aligulac.com/players/177/results/?after=2019-01-01&before=&event=code s&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=offline&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=
The best Zerg he beat all year in Code S was Scarlett..
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On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst.
Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up.
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On March 25 2020 23:55 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up.
I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year.
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If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far.
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On March 25 2020 23:56 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up. I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year.
The fact that Special made it look competitive has me thinking that he doesn't look that great in PvT this year. He still has Maru's number, but that seems to be a common theme in the Jin Air house.
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On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far.
That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ..
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On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up.
GSL Season 2 2019
Trap's road to "victory":
2:1 Scarlett
2:0 herO
2:0 Special
2:1 herO
3:2 Inno
4:3 Classic
2:4 Dark
GSL Season 3 2019
2:0 Taeja
0:2 Solar
2:1 Patience
2:1 Cure
2:0 TY
3:0 Keen
4:1 Maru
0:4 Rogue
Out of his 2 GSL Finals in the last year he played 4 PvZs with the score 1:3 (map score 4:11). Can you please link the GSL Season we've missed? Your comment suggest it was S2 but I gave you a pass considering S3 had another godlike form Zerg in the finals 
Sources:
 2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S
2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S
Edit> in the meantime you can see him winning against TY, Cure, Inno, Keen, Maru, Taeja and Special. SO his PvT is that good.
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On March 26 2020 00:00 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far. That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ..
Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark!
Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark!
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On March 26 2020 00:01 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 00:00 dbRic1203 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far. That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ.. Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it is does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark!
Unless you re Elazer and it is GSLvsTW 2019 
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On March 26 2020 00:04 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 00:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 26 2020 00:00 dbRic1203 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far. That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ.. Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it is does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark! Unless you re Elazer and it GSLvsTW 2019
We don't talk about that anymore around here.
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On March 25 2020 23:59 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:56 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up. I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year. The fact that Special made it look competitive has me thinking that he doesn't look that great in PvT this year. He still has Maru's number, but that seems to be a common theme in the Jin Air house.
He never even played Special this year.
You just made it very hard on yourself in the first place since you tried to rewrite history to make 2019 Trap a PvZ god - which he demonstrably wasn't. He might be able to do better this year on this patch, that's definitely true. But with the results that exist, it's hard to make a case for PvZ being his best match-up even now. At Katowice he went 8-0 - still 6-0 if we don't count Maru as a teammate - against Terran and 4-6 against Zerg.
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On March 26 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 23:59 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:56 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:55 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote:On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote:
Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020.
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up. I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year. The fact that Special made it look competitive has me thinking that he doesn't look that great in PvT this year. He still has Maru's number, but that seems to be a common theme in the Jin Air house. He never even played Special this year. You just made it very hard on yourself in the first place since you tried to rewrite history to make 2019 Trap a PvZ god - which he demonstrably wasn't. He might be able to do better this year on this patch, that's definitely true. But with the results that exist, it's hard to make a case for PvZ being his best match-up even now. At Katowice he went 8-0 - still 6-0 if we don't count Maru as a teammate - against Terran and 1-4 against Zerg.
sorry I got him confused with Hurricane. You're right my bad.
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Trap has bad PvZ. That doesn't mean any zerg will beat him easily but it means he will struggle against objectively weaker players(considering Trap is currently the best Protoss  ) who play Zerg.
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On March 26 2020 00:01 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2020 00:00 dbRic1203 wrote:On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far. That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ.. Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark!
If Dark win vs Trap then win vs Maru or hit Solar, he would have gone almost an entire Starcraft year without losing a tournament to a non-zerg.
WESG= Loss to  Serral
GSL season 2= Win
GSLvsTW= Loss to Elazer
GSL season 3= loss to Rogue
GSL ST no2= Win
Blizzcon= Win
IEM= Loss to Rogue
Last time was Gumi last year.
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On March 26 2020 00:09 deacon.frost wrote:(considering Trap is currently the best Protoss )
That's debateable. I mean sure he is the last Protoss standing in the Super Tournament, but I wouldn't say that's a blanket statement for the entire year.
I'd say Zest has a good case for that title too, even if he did lose to Trap.
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Chance of winning this tournament is Dark 70% and Maru 30%, dunno what are you guys still debating about.
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I think it's a 40-40 personally.
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On March 26 2020 00:24 Elentos wrote:
I think it's a 40-40 personally.
It's an older meme sir but it checks out.
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On March 26 2020 00:24 Elentos wrote:
I think it's a 40-40 personally.
Golden isn't playing though
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