EPT
Super Tournament 1
Streams & Casters
Format
- Single-elimination bracket:
- Round of 16 are Bo5.
- Quarterfinals are Bo5.
- Semifinals are Bo5.
- Finals are Bo7.
Map Pool
Day Three
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[GSL 2020] Super Tournament 1 - Day 3
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Map Pool CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Dark Maru Cure | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
Although I really hope sOs will bring some weird stuff and manage to squeeze it out | ||
Poopi
France12899 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 24 2020 20:01 deacon.frost wrote: It would be great to have 4 JAGW players in the RO4 Can't happen as only 3 are left in the bracket | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 24 2020 20:59 Durnuu wrote: Can't happen as only 3 are left in the bracket Cure is counted as a JAGW player. (this must piss his new team too )Look, I clicked his name, his profile page appeared, JAGW was listed as his team, QED | ||
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GoloSC2
711 Posts
On March 24 2020 21:21 deacon.frost wrote: Cure is counted as a JAGW player. (this must piss his new team too )Look, I clicked his name, his profile page appeared, JAGW was listed as his team, QED TIL ByuN is still best player | ||
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stilt
France2750 Posts
Zest Dark Inno Cure | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Dark Maru Cure | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
sOs Maru Cure | ||
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pvsnp
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Elentos
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Elentos
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 17:22 Waxangel wrote: I feel like Trap knew/semi-scouted everything Zest was doing, but still had no idea about the right way to respond because he had never seen any of it I think he expected Zest to just have expanded quickly behind his full wall. He wasn't ready at all for an oracle. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
On March 25 2020 17:27 Akio wrote: Nick "It's good to be back" Plott It's good to see them again. It's all good dude. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 17:34 NoS-Craig wrote: It's good to see them again. It's all good dude. Nono I 100% agree! He just says it a lot  | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6956 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 17:49 Morbidius wrote: Dark is way better than Rogue at manhandling cheesers. He himself is a pretty cheesy guy. And to cheese a cheeser is folly. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 17:50 sneakyfox wrote: Zest getting stomped in a PvP? Pretty far down the list of things you would have expected lately. liquibets are involved, that changes a lot | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:04 Akio wrote: Who's ahead right now? sOs cause his army is so much fucking stronger there's a situation where he totally bungles the attack and loses because he has been bad about securing another expand, though | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:05 Waxangel wrote: sOs cause his army is so much fucking stronger there's a situation where he totally bungles the attack and loses because he has been bad about securing another expand, though Well it seems like you jinxed it sir | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
I really dunno how he lost that fight. something something concave? | ||
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Elentos
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:07 Waxangel wrote: I really dunno how he lost that fight. something something concave? As a wise man once put it: "The concave is indeed, superior to the convex" | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:09 Waxangel wrote: sOs with PartinG's precision of execution would be disgusting But then he wouldn't be sOs. He'd be even more extreme PartinG. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:10 Elentos wrote: But then he wouldn't be sOs. He'd be even more extreme PartinG. PartinG is a normal person pretending he's insane, while sOs is actually an insane genius. | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:11 EzioAs wrote: If only sOs had +2 ground attack. This | ||
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:11 Waxangel wrote: PartinG is a normal person pretending he's insane, while sOs is actually an insane genius. And only by fusing them together would you get a player who can win a championship in LotV. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:31 Akio wrote: Dark's on 80 drones lmao He ain't even worried. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:32 Waxangel wrote: I miss the post-match interviews "I have to fartosis" | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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stilt
France2750 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:37 stilt wrote: Oh I thought Zest would prevail, while I like Trap, Zest might have had a better chance to beat Dark. Yeah, Trap is super dead against Dark.. Dark is pretty much guranteed in the finals allready | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:39 dbRic1203 wrote: Yeah, Trap is super dead against Dark.. Dark is pretty much guranteed in the finals allready maybe Trap got better in PvZ .... probably nah though | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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Akio
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Elentos
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:44 Elentos wrote: So was his sound issue literally not plugging it in properly? That was too fast Nah, Maru: Dude, I can't hear a shit! Ref: Dude, show me that. MAru: Here ya go,mah man. Ref: Dude! DUDE! You know how you press random buttons to test the keyboard is working. By any chance, do you have there the mute button? Maru: Uh, yeah, and? Ref: Press it? Maru: WORKS! You're a tech wizard! | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:50 deacon.frost wrote: Nah, Maru: Dude, I can't hear a shit! Ref: Dude, show me that. MAru: Here ya go,mah man. Ref: Dude! DUDE! You know how you press random buttons to test the keyboard is working. By any chance, do you have there the mute button? Maru: Uh, yeah, and? Ref: Press it? Maru: WORKS! You're a tech wizard! Well the guy didn't touch the keyboard, but it looked like he was plugging stuff in. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:51 Elentos wrote: Well the guy didn't touch the keyboard, but it looked like he was plugging stuff in. Maru pressed them buttons Edit> more seriously - the proxy panels can get a little wonky even if you plug shit in properly. Tested on my PC, sadly  | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
Well either way it wasn't funny | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
It was, I laughed and that's all I want from my jokes | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:53 Elentos wrote: JYP needs to get his shit together. Wat, still no Shine? What is going on? | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:53 Elentos wrote: JYP needs to get his shit together. This hating on old people really needs to stop!  | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
They probably built the new ASL studio around Shine and now he's trapped. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:54 TheOneAboveU wrote: This hating on old people really needs to stop! JYP is only 2 years older than me. Also he joined the military last year, how does he have time to observe this entire tournament? Is this regular leave, is this some sort of Covid-19 leave? | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Elentos
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On March 25 2020 18:57 Poopi wrote: Fuck quarantine, slept 3H30 and missed Maru first game. How did he beat INno g1? He did a TY strat where you reactor out reapers, make hellions and a medivac and push across while expanding. And Inno lost 20 workers. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
On March 25 2020 18:59 Elentos wrote: He did a TY strat where you reactor out reapers, make hellions and a medivac and push across while expanding. And Inno lost 20 workers. Well looks like INno loses in the openings He is usually stronger when everything is figured out for him so not that surprising on new maps and stuff. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:05 Argonauta wrote: Maru is such a god. He is able to pick up the mediocre TY builds, modify and perfect them in something beautiful to watch. He didn't modify the build at all, he just micro'd it better. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:06 Elentos wrote: He didn't modify the build at all, he just micro'd it better. JUST | ||
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t5Fab
183 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
just play like Maru | ||
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Elentos
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Die4Ever
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:12 Akio wrote: If Maru defends this I have to just look out the window and think about life  Life? | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Why is your post empty? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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sneakyfox
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Edit: Okay, that's not just me thinking this then. :D | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
I don't know who that is  Why is there a liquipedia link? There was never such player | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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Durnuu
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Akio
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Argonauta
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
a series! | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:19 Waxangel wrote: Oh no INnoVation played like Maru Who told him the secret...? | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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Elentos
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:21 Elentos wrote: Also Maru has done 3 builds in 3 games and Inno has done the same thing every game. sounds like a normal day | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:22 TheOneAboveU wrote: Rogue One was great, screw you Tasteless. The trilogy is pretty bad though, ngl | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:22 Argonauta wrote: is maru repeating the build in game 1? Yeah, turns out he ran out of builds that aren't proxy rax. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:23 Elentos wrote: Yeah, turns out he ran out of builds that aren't proxy rax. blame TY from that | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Yeah, I agree. Luckily Rogue One isn't part of that. | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:23 TheOneAboveU wrote: Yeah, I agree. Luckily Rogue One isn't part of that. Rogue one is good either, it's just empty fan service. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:24 Penev wrote: Rogue one is good either, it's just empty fan service. But did you see that scene with darth vader? | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
I'm gonna blame Jin Air for that, what kind of team is that? Also for fuck's sake, every other game in this tournament isn't hosted properly so it doesn't show the worker death counter. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: But did you see that scene with darth vader? What about the droid attacks on the wookies? | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: But did you see that scene with darth vader? SO BADASS "i rebel" | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:24 Penev wrote: Rogue one is good either, it's just empty fan service. Well, I like the kind of fan service Rogue One delivered, but I can see how people don't like it. Anyway, best one of the new movies for me. I mean, cringe dialogue is kind of a core part of Star Wars, just saying. I'm not calling it a piece of art, jeez. Sorry I enjoyed that movie. :D | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: But did you see that scene with darth vader? I liked the HISHE version more | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:25 Elentos wrote: I'm gonna blame Jin Air for that, what kind of team is that? Also for fuck's sake, every other game in this tournament isn't hosted properly so it doesn't show the worker death counter. honestly... it doesn't look like JAGW is keeping with the old Kespa practises. Looks like one of the modern teams that is just a brand. I guess they still live together and that is all. | ||
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Durnuu
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
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Finland1838 Posts
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Anc13nt
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sneakyfox
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Mozdk
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Waxangel
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Die4Ever
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Ej_
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The_Red_Viper
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On March 25 2020 19:28 Poopi wrote: Raven are so broken in TvT lmao I mean just a really dumb decision to not bring the ravens back to help out, not worth it to kill a few more workers | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Edit:Knew it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:28 Waxangel wrote: Interesting decision by Maru to trade 10 SCVs for actually winning the game :[ sounds like classic Maru | ||
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Durnuu
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Akio
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Argonauta
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sneakyfox
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Shellshock
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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Akio
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean just a really dumb decision to not bring the ravens back to help out, not worth it to kill a few more workers You realize that you just admit you NEED ravens to defend ravens? I agree his decision was not the best but it's silly that you can even do that because ravens nullify defenders advantage so much | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Shellshock
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:31 Poopi wrote: You realize that you just admit you NEED ravens to defend ravens? I agree his decision was not the best but it's silly that you can even do that because ravens nullify defenders advantage so much So what? It's a mirror. I do not like the design much, but you cannot cry about it in a mirror. | ||
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Ej_
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:35 Ej_ wrote: Maru scans a lot for someone on 1 or 2 CCs makes sense for someone who's confident he can end the game if the enemy miss-positions or slacks on units for a split second | ||
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Durnuu
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
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Ej_
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On March 25 2020 19:36 Waxangel wrote: makes sense for someone who's confident he can end the game if the enemy miss-positions or slacks on units for a split second Well now he is 25 supply down | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:31 Poopi wrote: You realize that you just admit you NEED ravens to defend ravens? I agree his decision was not the best but it's silly that you can even do that because ravens nullify defenders advantage so much In principle Inno could only do that because Maru's ground army was 5 marines and 4 tanks. With the ravens across the map Inno's army was effectively twice as big even without the tanks disabled. | ||
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Poopi
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Ej_
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Elentos
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On March 25 2020 19:39 Ej_ wrote: Maru is really damn good at using his units though Gabe if true. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Shellshock
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Inflicted
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Akio
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Ej_
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
throwing away ravens bad thoughts? | ||
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Penev
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:41 Waxangel wrote: SC2 good throwing away ravens bad thoughts? Maru good | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:41 Waxangel wrote: SC2 good throwing away ravens bad thoughts? Big disagree on the first one | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
Life | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:41 Penev wrote: Dark - Maru it is Well if Cure can get past Solar he could definitely take out Maru | ||
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Why is your post  NaDa? | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:42 sneakyfox wrote: Well if Cure can get past Solar he could definitely take out Maru If Cure did his homework he's gonna proxy Solar every game | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:41 Waxangel wrote: SC2 good throwing away ravens bad thoughts? The matchups without zerg are pretty fun tbh | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:42 sneakyfox wrote: Well if Cure can get past Solar he could definitely take out Maru Hmm, not sure if he's clutch enough off line for that | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:44 Penev wrote: Hmm, not sure if he's clutch enough off line for that I'm fully prepared honestly for a brutally disappointing finish where the finals end up a ZvZ. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
A solid 8/10 rating from me | ||
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:41 Waxangel wrote: SC2 good throwing away ravens bad thoughts? Yeah once again the guy harassing with ravens ended up losing. HeroMarine was saying this when facing worse terrans that were harassing with their ravens, it will often suck because the raven is such a key unit I thought they were supposed to patch that, we're already seen the "cool" raven tricks a million times, so we can change the unit again | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:45 Elentos wrote: I'm fully prepared honestly for a brutally disappointing finish where the finals end up a ZvZ. Prudent. You have to protect your soul. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:45 Elentos wrote: I'm fully prepared honestly for a brutally disappointing finish where the finals end up a ZvZ. No way Maru loses a bo5 vs Solar and also Cure has high chances. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:49 Argonauta wrote: No way Maru loses a bo5 vs Solar and also Cure has high chances. If Solar finally sits down and learns how to defend proxy rax he has a shot even against Maru! | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Elentos
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Durnuu
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:47 Poopi wrote: Yeah once again the guy harassing with ravens ended up losing. HeroMarine was saying this when facing worse terrans that were harassing with their ravens, it will often suck because the raven is such a key unit I thought they were supposed to patch that, we're already seen the "cool" raven tricks a million times, so we can change the unit again they won't touch ravens imo | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:50 sneakyfox wrote: Would really have loved to support my TSG boy Solar with cool flair right now adding flair is tricky cause it's a super manual process that requires us to go to a nether portal to summon someone who knows how the innards of the site work :[ | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:52 Waxangel wrote: adding flair is tricky cause it's a super manual process that requires us to go to a nether portal to summon someone who knows how the innards of the site work :[ Well it's a new moon right now and I have a couple of cats nearby. HMU if you want some sacrificial assistance around midnight. It has to be done. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:52 Waxangel wrote: adding flair is tricky cause it's a super manual process that requires us to go to a nether portal to summon someone who knows how the innards of the site work :[ As if you guys would be bothered by summoning a demon. What's one more in the basement? | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:52 Waxangel wrote: adding flair is tricky cause it's a super manual process that requires us to go to a nether portal to summon someone who knows how the innards of the site work :[ Guy in question is probably confined anyway, what better thing does he have to do? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:52 Elentos wrote: Ah so Solar has learnt this much from his match against TY then. Can't have the mineral wall stay up. golden wall meta is advancing! I hope we see a big fight only across the bottom side | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:54 Durnuu wrote: Guy in question is probably confined anyway, what better thing does he have to do? more seriously speaking I think R1CH is busy running [all-of-the-tech] for the Liquid progaming team | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 25 2020 19:55 Waxangel wrote: more seriously speaking I think R1CH is busy running [all-of-the-tech] for the Liquid progaming team Liquid has a progaming team? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 19:52 Waxangel wrote: adding flair is tricky cause it's a super manual process that requires us to go to a nether portal to summon someone who knows how the innards of the site work :[ R1CH quit? | ||
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Waxangel
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sneakyfox
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On March 25 2020 19:55 Waxangel wrote: more seriously speaking I think R1CH is busy running [all-of-the-tech] for the Liquid progaming team Have to admit, it is pretty gracious of TL.net to have its people support that organisation. | ||
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Die4Ever
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Die4Ever
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On March 25 2020 20:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: Imagine the day zerg players learn to morph banes in safety, what's going to stop them? lol yeah that was bad, Solar might actually lose now | ||
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Waxangel
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On March 25 2020 20:02 Mozdk wrote: How did cure end up with more supply. Wtf did solar do. Yami-Cure (online-cure) took over regular Cure's body now he's a reincarnated Egyptian pharaoh (who has internet) | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 25 2020 20:03 deacon.frost wrote: I believe Solar just showed why you take gold Solar just showed why you don't morph banes in the terran's face and why you don't throw your queens away too | ||
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Penev
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 20:03 Durnuu wrote: Solar just showed why you don't morph banes in the terran's face and why you don't throw your queens away too That ans other missplays too | ||
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I am sure the reason he lost this game is that he had not expanded closer to the Terran though. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7341 Posts
On March 25 2020 20:03 Waxangel wrote: Yami-Cure (online-cure) took over regular Cure's body now he's a reincarnated Egyptian pharaoh (who has internet) Egyptians had internet that’s what pyramids were for | ||
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On March 25 2020 20:09 sneakyfox wrote: Koreans must have some collective mind block regarding proxy rax. Apparently it is impossible to predict, and just impossible to utilize strategically. Calm down Lambo | ||
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On March 25 2020 20:15 Ej_ wrote: And now we are back to the regular gameplay where both players get to 200 supply and then someone loses on economy Hater | ||
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On March 25 2020 20:16 Durnuu wrote: I'm hyped for ghosts Yeah let's have some honest lategame | ||
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Penev
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On March 25 2020 20:16 Durnuu wrote: I'm hyped for ghosts I love the sound of ghosts dying in the morning | ||
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On March 25 2020 20:19 Penev wrote: I love the sound of ghosts dying in the morning It's 12 pm you degenerate. | ||
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I'm on merican time | ||
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Durnuu
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Penev hasn't seen the light of day in weeks because of Covid. He has no sense of time anymore | ||
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Oh, time to switch from beer to booze | ||
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On March 25 2020 20:22 Durnuu wrote: Penev hasn't seen the light of day in weeks because of Covid. He has no sense of time anymore I actually had a hefty flu last week. I wish they tested more so I could know if I'm immune now or not. | ||
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Schelim
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Penev
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On March 25 2020 20:33 Schelim wrote: i feel like this tournament has been hitting the right spot between normality and absurdity of Corona-era life i like that Zest is kek? | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 25 2020 20:43 Penev wrote: English is just ridiculous, let's leave it at that Pretty bad language tbh. Sucks that it was the one to become the global language. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 25 2020 20:45 sneakyfox wrote: Pretty bad language tbh. Sucks that it was the one to become the global language. Let's start speaking German, meine Freunde | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
The last time the Europe was mostly speaking German, Germany had to rebuilt Dresden (and some other places) I wouldn't risk it | ||
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Penev
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On March 25 2020 20:45 sneakyfox wrote: Pretty bad language tbh. Sucks that it was the one to become the global language. Should've been Spanish if it had to be a European language. Oh well. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 25 2020 20:47 Penev wrote: Should've been Spanish if it had to be a European language. Oh well. German, Spanish, French... They're all much better than English. I'm up for whichever, let's start a trend | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 20:50 sneakyfox wrote: German, Spanish, French... They're all much better than English. I'm up for whichever, let's start a trend French was the diplomatic language until what, 60s? 70s? I mean France really tried but French failed. | ||
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Penev
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On March 25 2020 20:50 sneakyfox wrote: German, Spanish, French... They're all much better than English. I'm up for whichever, let's start a trend Let's do Polish so Ej can insult us in his own language in these LR's | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
Into ???? | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 25 2020 20:54 Waxangel wrote: Ultras Into ???? Wait let me consult Serral | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 25 2020 20:53 Penev wrote: Let's do Polish so Ej can insult us in his own language in these LR's Excellent, I already know how to say cheers, basically fluent in it | ||
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Poopi
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Even tho TvZ difficult nowadays Maru is the savior one and only | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On March 25 2020 21:04 Poopi wrote: Fuck yeah easier win for Maru right? Even tho TvZ difficult nowadays Maru is the savior one and only Yeah but dark will destroy him regardless | ||
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Vindicare605
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I dunno. Dark seems favored to win this. At least Maru is seeded into the Ro16 of Code S already. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote: Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020. Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Are you implying you just want a specific player to lose? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 21:22 dbRic1203 wrote: I ve the feeling Maru would lose to both, Trap and Dark but is going to stomp Solar as bad as Trap is going to get stomped by Dark Maru can lose literally to anyone, because he plays a style that is really close to losing all the time. That's what playing on the knives edge gives you | ||
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Canada8989 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 22:42 Nakajin wrote: Some wanna sing bet Dark sweep the tournament without dropping a map? You want to see the world burn when all the people who lose gonna upload their public singing ? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 25 2020 22:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: Are you implying you just want a specific player to lose? No, I am implying I wanted a specific player to win(Cure). Now that he's out, I would be glad to see Trap triumphant but his current PvZ seems terrible. Dark winning two consecutive Super Tournaments would be boring imho, I wouldn't mind a Maru victory If I wouldn't have to witness 20 pages of comments about how godlike he is. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 25 2020 22:50 deacon.frost wrote: You want to see the world burn when all the people who lose gonna upload their public singing ? Yes, and if I lose I'll write and reccord a personal ballad for everyone else. But if anyone without balls want to do a simple sign bet I guess that work too. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On March 25 2020 22:56 Xain0n wrote: No, I am implying I wanted a specific player to win(Cure). Now that he's out, I would be glad to see Trap triumphant but his current PvZ seems terrible. Dark winning two consecutive Super Tournaments would be boring imho, I wouldn't mind a Maru victory If I wouldn't have to witness 20 pages of comments about how godlike he is. you are right Maru is such a god.... I am sure he will be graceful enough to give the trophy to other player | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote: Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020. Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote: Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. It's you who's wrong though. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year, both times he avoided PvZ almost entirely until the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote: Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. Did you watch Traps Games vs Lambo and Elazer at Katowice? They prepared for him and dismantled his play. I m pretty sure a player like Dark is more than capable to 1 up that and utterly destroy him. Also can you please point out to me where exactly Trap was good in PvZ last year? http://aligulac.com/players/177/results/?after=2019-01-01&before=&event=code s&race=ptzr&country=all&bestof=all&offline=offline&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= The best Zerg he beat all year in Code S was Scarlett.. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:53 Elentos wrote: It's you who's wrong. Trap made 2 consecutive Code S finals last year. He only played Scarlett in the Ro32 and then Dark and Rogue respectively in the finals. PvT is his best match-up, PvZ his worst. Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up. | ||
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Elentos
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On March 25 2020 23:55 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh come on, just because he consistently kills his teammate in offline matches doesn't make his PvT his best match up. I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year. | ||
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United States16071 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:56 Elentos wrote: I was thinking more about his 70+% winrate and the fact that he consistently beats every top Terran. He was the best PvT in the world the entire last year. The fact that Special made it look competitive has me thinking that he doesn't look that great in PvT this year. He still has Maru's number, but that seems to be a common theme in the Jin Air house. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:57 Vindicare605 wrote: If he wasn't against Dark, i'd favor him in this round. Dark is on another level in this tournament, but any other zerg ESPECIALLY solar I'd favor Trap. Wish it could be different so I can prove myself right but oh well. I still say he'll put up a better match vs Dark than any of his opponents have so far. That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ.. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:43 Vindicare605 wrote: Sometimes I wonder if you even watch the same game that I do. Trap got to his one GSL final off the back of his PvZ. He got annihilated by Dark, but who didn't in 2019? Trap's PvZ is his best match up. GSL Season 2 2019 Trap's road to "victory": 2:1 Scarlett 2:0 herO 2:0 Special 2:1 herO 3:2 Inno 4:3 Classic 2:4 Dark GSL Season 3 2019 2:0 Taeja 0:2 Solar 2:1 Patience 2:1 Cure 2:0 TY 3:0 Keen 4:1 Maru 0:4 Rogue Out of his 2 GSL Finals in the last year he played 4 PvZs with the score 1:3 (map score 4:11). Can you please link the GSL Season we've missed? Your comment suggest it was S2 but I gave you a pass considering S3 had another godlike form Zerg in the finals Sources:  2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code SEdit> in the meantime you can see him winning against TY, Cure, Inno, Keen, Maru, Taeja and Special. SO his PvT is that good. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:00 dbRic1203 wrote: That s a completetly different statement. Obviously Trap is a better all around player than Patience or SoS right now. But he is still going to lose, unless he completly redifines his PvZ.. Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark! | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it is does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark! Unless you re Elazer and it is GSLvsTW 2019 | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
We don't talk about that anymore around here. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On March 25 2020 23:59 Vindicare605 wrote: The fact that Special made it look competitive has me thinking that he doesn't look that great in PvT this year. He still has Maru's number, but that seems to be a common theme in the Jin Air house. He never even played Special this year. You just made it very hard on yourself in the first place since you tried to rewrite history to make 2019 Trap a PvZ god - which he demonstrably wasn't. He might be able to do better this year on this patch, that's definitely true. But with the results that exist, it's hard to make a case for PvZ being his best match-up even now. At Katowice he went 8-0 - still 6-0 if we don't count Maru as a teammate - against Terran and 4-6 against Zerg. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote: He never even played Special this year. You just made it very hard on yourself in the first place since you tried to rewrite history to make 2019 Trap a PvZ god - which he demonstrably wasn't. He might be able to do better this year on this patch, that's definitely true. But with the results that exist, it's hard to make a case for PvZ being his best match-up even now. At Katowice he went 8-0 - still 6-0 if we don't count Maru as a teammate - against Terran and 1-4 against Zerg. sorry I got him confused with Hurricane. You're right my bad. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
) who play Zerg. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Of course he's gonna lose, he's up against motherfucking Dark! Losing to Dark is not a crime, and it does not mean he has weak PvZ. Everyone loses to Dark! If Dark win vs Trap then win vs Maru or hit Solar, he would have gone almost an entire Starcraft year without losing a tournament to a non-zerg. WESG= Loss to SerralGSL season 2= Win GSLvsTW= Loss to ElazerGSL season 3= loss to RogueGSL ST no2= Win Blizzcon= Win IEM= Loss to RogueLast time was Gumi last year. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:09 deacon.frost wrote: (considering Trap is currently the best Protoss )That's debateable. I mean sure he is the last Protoss standing in the Super Tournament, but I wouldn't say that's a blanket statement for the entire year. I'd say Zest has a good case for that title too, even if he did lose to Trap. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On March 26 2020 00:24 Elentos wrote: I think it's a 40-40 personally. It's an older meme sir but it checks out. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 26 2020 00:24 Elentos wrote: I think it's a 40-40 personally. Golden isn't playing though | ||
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France2750 Posts
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JJH777
United States4413 Posts
On March 25 2020 22:56 Xain0n wrote: No, I am implying I wanted a specific player to win(Cure). Now that he's out, I would be glad to see Trap triumphant but his current PvZ seems terrible. Dark winning two consecutive Super Tournaments would be boring imho, I wouldn't mind a Maru victory If I wouldn't have to witness 20 pages of comments about how godlike he is. Being the only reason Terran exists at the pro level for 2.5 years does that. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:20 JJH777 wrote: Being the only reason Terran exists at the pro level for 2.5 years does that. A perfect example of what I meant! Maru has been by far the best Terran in the last two years but you can't forget Inno winning WESG, TY's finals in Code S(stopped by Maru) and Super Tournament, Gumiho's final in Super Tournament. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On March 26 2020 02:40 Athenau wrote: Rooting for another ZvZ finals so we can get a complete comment shitshow. Some men, just want to watch the world burn. BTW. EXTREMELY small chance Solar beats Maru. Nowhere near the caliber Zerg that Maru should lose to. That said, that lack of quality might be exactly why Maru loses. He is a Prime Terran after all. We'll see. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:40 Athenau wrote: Rooting for another ZvZ finals so we can get a complete comment shitshow. There's a big chance that it will be win by zerg, isn't that enough? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:49 Vindicare605 wrote: Some men, just want to watch the world burn. BTW. EXTREMELY small chance Solar beats Maru. Nowhere near the caliber Zerg that Maru should lose to. That said, that lack of quality might be exactly why Maru loses. He is a Prime Terran after all. We'll see. Dunno Solar handled Cure pretty well, so there's a chance. Plus Maru is still 0-15 in reaching the final of Korean weekenders | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 26 2020 03:31 Nakajin wrote: Dunno Solar handled Cure pretty well, so there's a chance. Plus Maru is still 0-15 in reaching the final of Korean weekenders I dont even want to acknowledge this statistic with a response. | ||
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JJH777
United States4413 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:34 Xain0n wrote: A perfect example of what I meant! Maru has been by far the best Terran in the last two years but you can't forget Inno winning WESG, TY's finals in Code S(stopped by Maru) and Super Tournament, Gumiho's final in Super Tournament. The fact that you can only come up with 4 good Terran results for a 30 month period just shows I'm right. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On March 26 2020 02:34 Xain0n wrote: A perfect example of what I meant! Maru has been by far the best Terran in the last two years but you can't forget Inno winning WESG, TY's finals in Code S(stopped by Maru) and Super Tournament, Gumiho's final in Super Tournament. Looking at the opponents Inno faced at WESG I am doing a fantastic job forgetting that. He beat 2! people that were on the same level. Thats like winning Code S after being seeded into the quarter finals. Thats like, not wow. | ||
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Moonerz
United States449 Posts
On March 26 2020 03:31 Nakajin wrote: Dunno Solar handled Cure pretty well, so there's a chance. Plus Maru is still 0-15 in reaching the final of Korean weekenders Good thing this isn't really a weekender then | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On March 25 2020 21:14 Xain0n wrote: Sc2 is mean to me in this 2020. Maru can definitely beat Solar and Dark; at this point, I would love to see Trap win, but his PvZ is so absymal... Dark has way better chances than Trap. He is immune to the bullshit because he all-ins the Prototoss while macroing behind it. Haha I wrote Prototoss | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 26 2020 04:14 JJH777 wrote: The fact that you can only come up with 4 good Terran results for a 30 month period just shows I'm right. Haha, exactly, a perfect example how to shoot yourself in the foot. Xain0n's special And mentioning WESG is just super pathetic. In that case, lets count foreign land tournaments as well, how are Terrans doing there? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
The finals however can be really good. Lets not forget that this is not a weekender, Maru has prep time and he only needs to prepare 1 matchup. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On March 26 2020 05:58 MarianoSC2 wrote: On another note, the semifinals will probably be boring. I just cant trust Traps PvZ at all, and all Maru needs to do to 3:0 Solar is proxy racks so that one will be over in like 15 minutes total time. The finals however can be really good. Lets not forget that this is not a weekender, Maru has prep time and he only needs to prepare 1 matchup. If we get Dark vs Maru, the Finals are guaranteed to be good. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 26 2020 04:14 JJH777 wrote: The fact that you can only come up with 4 good Terran results for a 30 month period just shows I'm right. What do you mean? Terran does just fine, special, heromarine and time made ro4 in wcs! Special even the finals once! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 26 2020 04:14 JJH777 wrote: The fact that you can only come up with 4 good Terran results for a 30 month period just shows I'm right. Let's remove Maru as a statistic outlier and see what happens Considering he's bad in TvT it shouldn't hurt other Terrans and their results, or...? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 26 2020 05:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Haha, exactly, a perfect example how to shoot yourself in the foot. Xain0n's special And mentioning WESG is just super pathetic. In that case, lets count foreign land tournaments as well, how are Terrans doing there? Your elitism is super pathetic. 2018 would have been a good year for Protoss if Serral and Maru didn't beat them repeatedly and 2019 was just the most Zerg infested year in the history of Sc2(with one month of Protoss doing decently leading to open revolt just to made them nerfed to nothingness); still, Terran won more than Protoss. Maru is responsible for the majority of those titles, you can't expect many more names but there are, just as I showed you. Thinking that Maru is the ONLY one who made Terran competitive at pro level is a stretch to say the least; that idea perfectly fits the narrative of Maru as the Favored Child(partly reasonable) and Terran as the neglected, unplayable race that only gods can lead to victory(mostly delusion) so many on this forum are very fond of. What is true is that Maru is incredibly skilled and one of the best Terran ever and that Terran has been the weakest, still perfectly competitive, race most of the times since 2018. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 26 2020 06:37 Xain0n wrote: Your elitism is super pathetic. 2018 would have been a good year for Protoss if Serral and Maru didn't beat them repeatedly and 2019 was just the most Zerg infested year in the history of Sc2(with one month of Protoss doing decently leading to open revolt just to made them nerfed to nothingness); still, Terran won more than Protoss. Maru is responsible for the majority of those titles, you can't expect many more names but there are, just as I showed you. Thinking that Maru is the ONLY one who made Terran competitive at pro level is a stretch to say the least; that idea perfectly fits the narrative of Maru as the Favored Child(partly reasonable) and Terran as the neglected, unplayable race that only gods can lead to victory(mostly delusion) so many on this forum are very fond of. What is true is that Maru is incredibly skilled and one of the best Terran ever and that Terran has been the weakest, still perfectly competitive, race most of the times since 2018. Without counting wcs (because it doesn't allow the actual best terrans/players), in 24 premier tournaments terran players made the ro4 10 times (5 times maru), 2nd place 4 times (no maru) and 1st place 7 times (5 times maru). This includes GPC season 1 (which shouldn't be counted tbh) and IEM pyongchang (probably neither), Without these it's ro4 5/8 maru and 5/6 1st places in 22 tournaments. Pls tell me more about this competitive race | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 26 2020 07:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: Without counting wcs (because it doesn't allow the actual best terrans/players), in 24 premier tournaments terran players made the ro4 10 times (5 times maru), 2nd place 4 times (no maru) and 1st place 7 times (5 times maru). This includes GPC season 1 (which shouldn't be counted tbh) and IEM pyongchang (probably neither), Without these it's ro4 5/8 maru and 5/6 1st places in 22 tournaments. Pls tell me more about this competitive race If I counted correctly, in the same timespan(excluding WCS) Protoss made the ro4 18 times, 2nd place 13 times and 1st place 4 times. Better than Terran, even if less clutch, and less dependant from a single player(Maru); if Terran hasn't been competitive, Protoss has not been much better. If you want an example of non competitive race at pro level, take a look at 2007-2015 Undead in Warcraft 3. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 26 2020 03:31 Nakajin wrote: Dunno Solar handled Cure pretty well, so there's a chance. Plus Maru is still 0-15 in reaching the final of Korean weekenders Maru being 18-4 (82%) in matches against Solar is probably one of the most one sided 1v1 stats in top level sc2. Also, this isn't a weekender other than the ro4/finals being on the same day (plus most starleague formats have bo7 ro4). So expect Maru to crush Solar with some good preperation then lose the final | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 26 2020 08:10 Xain0n wrote: If I counted correctly, in the same timespan(excluding WCS) Protoss made the ro4 18 times, 2nd place 13 times and 1st place 4 times. Better than Terran, even if less clutch, and less dependant from a single player(Maru); if Terran hasn't been competitive, Protoss has not been much better. If you want an example of non competitive race at pro level, take a look at 2007-2015 Undead in Warcraft 3. Well that is significantly better though, especially because terran is that reliant on a single player. Zerg obviously is even better and won a whole lot more. I have no experience with wc3, and i don't deny that it could be even worse, but it's already pretty bad if you look at high place finishes and how many unique players actually were able to do anything. Carried hard by a single player. | ||
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Poopi
France12899 Posts
On March 26 2020 08:10 Xain0n wrote: If I counted correctly, in the same timespan(excluding WCS) Protoss made the ro4 18 times, 2nd place 13 times and 1st place 4 times. Better than Terran, even if less clutch, and less dependant from a single player(Maru); if Terran hasn't been competitive, Protoss has not been much better. If you want an example of non competitive race at pro level, take a look at 2007-2015 Undead in Warcraft 3. Although Maru carried terran very hard especially in 2018, protoss players won more money than terran despite no star player winning tournaments as hard as Maru/Serral. So yes I would call that much better, because even with Maru they won more (and a relatively significant amount), imagine if you coun't Maru out... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 26 2020 19:30 Poopi wrote: Although Maru carried terran very hard especially in 2018, protoss players won more money than terran despite no star player winning tournaments as hard as Maru/Serral. So yes I would call that much better, because even with Maru they won more (and a relatively significant amount), imagine if you coun't Maru out... You cannot because then all the 'terran whining' would be super-justified and that's a thing Blizzard don't need right now. I believe they have a shrine for MAru's health | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 26 2020 08:10 Xain0n wrote: If I counted correctly, in the same timespan(excluding WCS) Protoss made the ro4 18 times, 2nd place 13 times and 1st place 4 times. Better than Terran, even if less clutch, and less dependant from a single player(Maru); if Terran hasn't been competitive, Protoss has not been much better. If you want an example of non competitive race at pro level, take a look at 2007-2015 Undead in Warcraft 3. Everything you are saying is just more and more proving our point. You wanted to be an adventurer like me, but instead you took an arrow in the knee (from your own bow). Just give up already, its getting brutally embarrassing. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 26 2020 20:19 MarianoSC2 wrote: Everything you are saying is just more and more proving our point. You wanted to be an adventurer like me, but instead you took an arrow in the knee (from your own bow). Just give up already, its getting brutally embarrassing. If you are not embarassed by your inappropriate and arrogant attitude, why should I be? This discussion is indeed sterile because we see the same things and we draw different conclusions. In the last two years, Maru carried Terran? Yes, mostly in 2018. Was he the only one? No. Has Terran been weak? The least accomplished race. A competitive one? Without any doubt. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 26 2020 21:03 Xain0n wrote: If you are not embarassed by your inappropriate and arrogant attitude, why should I be? This discussion is indeed sterile because we see the same things and we draw different conclusions. In the last two years, Maru carried Terran? Yes, mostly in 2018. Was he the only one? No. Has Terran been weak? The least accomplished race. A competitive one? Without any doubt. This is semantics though, yeah he wasn't literally the only terran who got to a ro4 or better. TY and Inno also had some success, but it pales in comparison to the best players of other races. If we want to call that competitive is the question, if one removes maru it looks pretty bad even if it's not wc3 lvl bad (though i simply do not know) If we'd include wcs it would look even worse, i think it is fair to say that terran has the hardest time on the pro lvl by a significant margin. Do terrans whine a lot? Sure, but it almost looks like there is a reason for it. | ||
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