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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 28 2020 16:18 GMT
#681
On February 29 2020 01:11 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:09 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:02 Xain0n wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:55 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:30 Xain0n wrote:
Elazer threw the biggest opportunity he ever had to get to the ro12 in Katowice by spine rushing Solar.
I guess it was his turn to get out because of that after defeating Dark in the same fashion, but I'm super disappointed.

Also, people keep ignoring Elazer or comparing him to weak players but in the end his performance was pretty much like Solar's. You guys will never learn and will act surprised when Elazer upsets another fan favourite.


Or maybe you should stop over-hyping a player who had 1 good result in the last 3 years, while getting constantly crushed by the better Koreans everywhere else. He is 25-49 in offline BO3+ matches against Korea, but almost all of his wins come from beating players like True, Leenock, Top... He is super duper mediocre.

But I understand the results of the foreign-land so far are making you mad so you need to kick around you a bit


Overhyping? Recently he defeated stronger koreans, don't you think? Elazer has no hope against korean Terrans, but he can beat good koreans in ZvP and ZvZ.
Thus said, no one should consider Elazer a favourite, he is not even a top5 WCS player actually, but he is absolutely not "super duper mediocre" as you think he is.


Not counting this IEM, from his last 20 matches against Korea he beat: MMA (retired player), Creator and Trust (irrelevant players), Bunny, Solarx2 (3:2 every time) and 1 lucky win against Dark. If this is not a definition of mediocrity with a lucky scrappy win here and there then I dont know what is.


Seeing you two back at it bring back so much memories


And it's about Elazer, this time. You are free to believe he's a mediocre player, I'll call you out the next time he pulls out some interesting upset; Elazer's victory against Dark was not lucky, he outplayed him in lategame ZvZ.
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 28 2020 16:18 GMT
#682
Guys we acknowledge that Terran is the hardest race in starcraft and Protoss has been broken since 1998, can we just watch the games in peace now?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 28 2020 16:19 GMT
#683
Alright, can sOs win a game against a good zerg for the first time in 5 years?
(Probably not)
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 28 2020 16:19 GMT
#684
On February 29 2020 01:18 yht9657 wrote:
Guys we acknowledge that Terran is the hardest race in starcraft and Protoss has been broken since 1998, can we just watch the games in peace now?

Nah terran is actually broken in bw
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
February 28 2020 16:19 GMT
#685
On February 29 2020 01:18 yht9657 wrote:
Guys we acknowledge that Terran is the hardest race in starcraft and Protoss has been broken since 1998, can we just watch the games in peace now?

that depends, how's your stance on zerg?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-28 16:20:41
February 28 2020 16:19 GMT
#686
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the world champion and give him $1,000,0000 prize, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 28 2020 16:20 GMT
#687
On February 29 2020 01:18 yht9657 wrote:
Guys we acknowledge that Terran is the hardest race in starcraft and Protoss has been broken since 1998, can we just watch the games in peace now?

Hold up we were discussing that Zerg was imba. You're the enemy!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 28 2020 16:20 GMT
#688
On February 29 2020 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the winner, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign

would watch it too
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#689
On February 29 2020 01:17 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:13 TaKeTV wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:11 Geo.Rion wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:07 TaKeTV wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:02 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:55 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
protoss obliterating terrans today lol (except patience)


I see two dead Protoss and 2 Terrans at the top of group C.

Trap literally only won PvT 4-0 lol


So we're Brood War now.

P > T > Z > P


T>Z
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/IEM_Katowice/2020/Statistics


a) see my post after yours
b) its wrong also, shows INno 4-0 for example which is incorrect.

Welll, you put 30 question marks, i've just linked why people said it.

Statistics are tricky, but once someone starts to selectively dismiss results, he's in no position to discuss the matchup.


You have to selectively dismiss results. You do that to clear up statistics. Obviously its trickier in Starcraft as you will always have personal opinion mixed into it but I try to be as fair as possible. If you would match Has against Maru for example - while Has is progamer he is a lot worse than Maru. The match would yield you no real impact on the balance discussion.

If Has wins 50% against Maru you can say the balance is busted though. You simply cannot argue on the terms of a whole tournament. Obviously this goes into each direction. I wouldn't count an avilo loss against Stats either in terms of balance-relevance.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#690
On February 29 2020 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the world champion and give him $1,000,0000 prize, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign

So just offline ladder? Serral has already won that from his home
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#691
Thoroughly undecided whether I like the main stream for doing analysis and showing the other matches, or dislike it for taking so long for every game.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#692
On February 29 2020 01:20 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the winner, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign

would watch it too

who would win tho? And what race would be the strongest

discuss
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#693
sOs should quickly switch to Terran to at least stand a chance here !
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#694
On February 29 2020 01:18 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:11 Nakajin wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:09 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:02 Xain0n wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:55 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:30 Xain0n wrote:
Elazer threw the biggest opportunity he ever had to get to the ro12 in Katowice by spine rushing Solar.
I guess it was his turn to get out because of that after defeating Dark in the same fashion, but I'm super disappointed.

Also, people keep ignoring Elazer or comparing him to weak players but in the end his performance was pretty much like Solar's. You guys will never learn and will act surprised when Elazer upsets another fan favourite.


Or maybe you should stop over-hyping a player who had 1 good result in the last 3 years, while getting constantly crushed by the better Koreans everywhere else. He is 25-49 in offline BO3+ matches against Korea, but almost all of his wins come from beating players like True, Leenock, Top... He is super duper mediocre.

But I understand the results of the foreign-land so far are making you mad so you need to kick around you a bit


Overhyping? Recently he defeated stronger koreans, don't you think? Elazer has no hope against korean Terrans, but he can beat good koreans in ZvP and ZvZ.
Thus said, no one should consider Elazer a favourite, he is not even a top5 WCS player actually, but he is absolutely not "super duper mediocre" as you think he is.


Not counting this IEM, from his last 20 matches against Korea he beat: MMA (retired player), Creator and Trust (irrelevant players), Bunny, Solarx2 (3:2 every time) and 1 lucky win against Dark. If this is not a definition of mediocrity with a lucky scrappy win here and there then I dont know what is.


Seeing you two back at it bring back so much memories


And it's about Elazer, this time. You are free to believe he's a mediocre player, I'll call you out the next time he pulls out some interesting upset; Elazer's victory against Dark was not lucky, he outplayed him in lategame ZvZ.


You actually think that glorified showmatch known as GSL vs the World actually means anything. That's the part that you get wrong.

The GSL players OBVIOUSLY don't take those games seriously. That was true of the first tournament and of the second one also. Dark was just coming off of his Code S win and was going to get paid just for showing up to the vs the World. Do you think he actually came prepared or practiced?

Elazer came in hungry and took the games seriously and Dark didn't.

Want to see what happens when Dark wants it? Blizzcon happens. What happened at Blizzcon? Oh right, Dark embarassed the hell out of the EU Zergs, it wasn't even remotely close.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7180 Posts
February 28 2020 16:22 GMT
#695
Not liking the decisions what is on main stage so far

First round should have been another game and second round now, too ...
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 28 2020 16:22 GMT
#696
On February 29 2020 01:18 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:11 Nakajin wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:09 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 01:02 Xain0n wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:55 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On February 29 2020 00:30 Xain0n wrote:
Elazer threw the biggest opportunity he ever had to get to the ro12 in Katowice by spine rushing Solar.
I guess it was his turn to get out because of that after defeating Dark in the same fashion, but I'm super disappointed.

Also, people keep ignoring Elazer or comparing him to weak players but in the end his performance was pretty much like Solar's. You guys will never learn and will act surprised when Elazer upsets another fan favourite.


Or maybe you should stop over-hyping a player who had 1 good result in the last 3 years, while getting constantly crushed by the better Koreans everywhere else. He is 25-49 in offline BO3+ matches against Korea, but almost all of his wins come from beating players like True, Leenock, Top... He is super duper mediocre.

But I understand the results of the foreign-land so far are making you mad so you need to kick around you a bit


Overhyping? Recently he defeated stronger koreans, don't you think? Elazer has no hope against korean Terrans, but he can beat good koreans in ZvP and ZvZ.
Thus said, no one should consider Elazer a favourite, he is not even a top5 WCS player actually, but he is absolutely not "super duper mediocre" as you think he is.


Not counting this IEM, from his last 20 matches against Korea he beat: MMA (retired player), Creator and Trust (irrelevant players), Bunny, Solarx2 (3:2 every time) and 1 lucky win against Dark. If this is not a definition of mediocrity with a lucky scrappy win here and there then I dont know what is.


Seeing you two back at it bring back so much memories


And it's about Elazer, this time. You are free to believe he's a mediocre player, I'll call you out the next time he pulls out some interesting upset; Elazer's victory against Dark was not lucky, he outplayed him in lategame ZvZ.


Nah I agree Elazer's very good
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
February 28 2020 16:22 GMT
#697
Cure on C-stream again, why ?
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
February 28 2020 16:22 GMT
#698
On February 29 2020 01:21 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2020 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the world champion and give him $1,000,0000 prize, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign

So just offline ladder? Serral has already won that from his home


stakes make the competition (imaginary or real)
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 28 2020 16:23 GMT
#699
Q: What's your favorite thing about the patch?
A from PartinG: I dislike that they didn't nerf Zerg enough.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 28 2020 16:23 GMT
#700
On February 29 2020 01:19 Waxangel wrote:
It's okay guys when I get a billion dollars I will just unify all of pro SC2 under the Wax-league and hold a 128 person swiss format over a week to determine the world champion and give him $1,000,0000 prize, no playoffs or anything

we'll hold it in monte carlo or somethign


You still didn't answer which Pizza company would sponsor the Pizza Police team.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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