EPT[Nationwars 2019] Semi Finals + Grand Final - Page 23
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sneakyfox
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Elentos
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:38 JJH777 wrote: That doesn't mean he would have won as Terran. Terran has been the weakest race since mid 2017. Maru's level and protoss losing to mass proxy just hid that in 2018. That also doesn't mean Maru would win everything he won as Zerg. What kind of logic is that? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:40 sneakyfox wrote: It will be interesting to see if Blizzard changes the style of the maps for next season, and if they think zerg lategame is in a good place now. You might be able to fix TvZ with maps, but PvZ can't be fixed that way imo. You'd need to give all the maps in-base naturals, or have large swaths of uncreepable terrain to give Protoss a chance. And even then zerg has Nydus. Besides all the maps for next map pool were made six months ago. | ||
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:40 sneakyfox wrote: It will be interesting to see if Blizzard changes the style of the maps for next season, and if they think zerg lategame is in a good place now. Maybe not have a ton of maps that have huge centers that have no bases or anything so Zergs can just open the floodgates and surround. Blizzard's map picking process is either always at least 1 TLMC behind the meta or actually malicious. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27003 Posts
Beautiful. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:42 Aegwynn wrote: That also doesn't mean Maru would win everything he won as Zerg. What kind of logic is that? Maybe he wouldn't have it's impossible to say. In 2018 Zerg wasn't completely broken or anything (unlike 2019) but Terran was the weakest race. Terran is also the most fragile race where one big mistake can lose you the game which is another reason Serral would not have been able to do as well. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You might be able to fix TvZ with maps, but PvZ can't be fixed that way imo. You'd need to give all the maps in-base naturals, or have large swaths of uncreepable terrain to give Protoss a chance. And even then zerg has Nydus. Besides all the maps for next map pool were made six months ago. I think there's such a thing as maps that are fine for PvZ that don't involve the features you mentioned. But the fact of the matter remains that for every SC2 match both players have a say in what maps get played so Zerg will veto the good stuff for Protoss and Protoss has to settle with the least terrible options, which are still better for Zerg. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:40 HeroSandro wrote: Have not seen any of them. I have not seen that many PvZ matches in the new patch. In the Korean one, zerg when 15 and 1 in pvz  | ||
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Weavel
Finland9223 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:40 sneakyfox wrote: I really hope so. Might make things more interesting. It will be interesting to see if Blizzard changes the style of the maps for next season, and if they think zerg lategame is in a good place now. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
You cannot nerf JOONA SOTALA! | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:50 Xain0n wrote: Serral carrying Finland to win Nation Wars and all you can come out with is whining about balance... You cannot nerf JOONA SOTALA! It was above all else a Zhugeliang carry. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:47 Elentos wrote: I think there's such a thing as maps that are fine for PvZ that don't involve the features you mentioned. But the fact of the matter remains that for every SC2 match both players have a say in what maps get played so Zerg will veto the good stuff for Protoss and Protoss has to settle with the least terrible options, which are still better for Zerg. Not completely sure if that's true in the current meta. Last map pool for example zerg was favoured to some extent on every single map in PvZ. Maybe an incredibly droppable map would be good for Protoss, but then you run into problems in other match-ups. | ||
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