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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 08 2019 22:11 GMT
#401
On December 09 2019 07:08 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 07:06 royalroadweed wrote:
Can he afford ghosts? He never really got a bank but maybe he could squeeze out 2-3?

He would also need both ghost upgrades because lurkers outrange ghosts and he'd want EMPs on the vipers.

I think Maru and TY could have won that game but Inno is too distracted by the wonders of Paris.


Idk if it'd be broken but it'd be nice to maintain snipe's range advantage over lurkers even if they keep this upgrade in the game. Maybe snipe would be too strong against BLs but at least it would promote more bio play as it seems like BLs are only good against bio now
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
December 08 2019 22:12 GMT
#402
On December 09 2019 07:08 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Isnt it over already?

What a waste by Inno tbh. If that was Maru playing I am quite sure he would win, Serral does not look completely unbeatable today

It's really disappointing that Korea's top 3 all decided to sit out both HSC and NW. I guess when you're that good, the small tournaments are too much of a bother.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
December 08 2019 22:12 GMT
#403
And to all the balance whiners I actually think TvZ is very close to being balanced. Lurker range should be fixed yes, but other than that Serral is just a lot better than Inno
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 08 2019 22:15 GMT
#404
On December 09 2019 07:12 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 07:08 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Isnt it over already?

What a waste by Inno tbh. If that was Maru playing I am quite sure he would win, Serral does not look completely unbeatable today

It's really disappointing that Korea's top 3 all decided to sit out both HSC and NW. I guess when you're that good, the small tournaments are too much of a bother.

For Maru to leave Asia you have to offer a ton of money because he hates travel.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 08 2019 22:18 GMT
#405
So this is basically a somewhat confusing Stats-Serral match, with some people messing around to make it sound like a team game
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 08 2019 22:19 GMT
#406
I want Serral to lose and then they revive TheMusZero and this time he successfully cannon rushes and wins the series.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 08 2019 22:20 GMT
#407
You know I'm already missing Classic. The way he played PvZ at the highest level with the strats of low GM players from Eastern Europe was great.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 08 2019 22:20 GMT
#408
On December 09 2019 07:18 opisska wrote:
So this is basically a somewhat confusing Stats-Serral match, with some people messing around to make it sound like a team game


Yeah, I don't know why some people insist this is not a confusing way to do a Bo3

On December 09 2019 07:19 blooblooblahblah wrote:
I want Serral to lose and then they revive TheMusZero and this time he successfully cannon rushes and wins the series.


The dream.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
December 08 2019 22:21 GMT
#409
On December 09 2019 07:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
And to all the balance whiners I actually think TvZ is very close to being balanced. Lurker range should be fixed yes, but other than that Serral is just a lot better than Inno


It might be balanced but it's definitely a lot easier for a good Terran to just instantly die with one big mistake than it is for the same to happen to a good Zerg. Which I think is kind of dumb.

I also think it's a problem if only one or two players (if they even can) can beat the top players of a race. Throughout the entire history of the game it has never been like that before. I don't believe it's just because Serral/Reynor/Dark and even Rogue are just that much better than the great players of the past.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 08 2019 22:22 GMT
#410
Stats has found the one build he trusts I guess.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
December 08 2019 22:23 GMT
#411
On December 09 2019 07:21 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2019 07:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
And to all the balance whiners I actually think TvZ is very close to being balanced. Lurker range should be fixed yes, but other than that Serral is just a lot better than Inno


It might be balanced but it's definitely a lot easier for a good Terran to just instantly die with one big mistake than it is for the same to happen to a good Zerg. Which I think is kind of dumb.

I also think it's a problem if only one or two players (if they even can) can beat the top players of a race. Throughout the entire history of the game it has never been like that before. I don't believe it's just because Serral/Reynor/Dark and even Rogue are just that much better than the great players of the past.

We can start wondering if blizzard would have reacted more heavily to the state of the game if Reynor and Serral were Koreans imo.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 08 2019 22:24 GMT
#412
On December 09 2019 07:22 Elentos wrote:
Stats has found the one build he trusts I guess.


It feels like Stats often finds one build to really rely on for a while. Like the three oracle + phoenix stuff.

And nice to see NASL sound guy is still around.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 08 2019 22:24 GMT
#413
On December 09 2019 07:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
And to all the balance whiners I actually think TvZ is very close to being balanced. Lurker range should be fixed yes, but other than that Serral is just a lot better than Inno


Y'a tvz seems to be pretty ok from looking at WESG and HSC, zvp was the one looking absolutly broken.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
December 08 2019 22:25 GMT
#414
How good do you think Serral would be if he was a terran, for example? Or take Clem, would he have the results of Reynor had he been zerg?
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 08 2019 22:28 GMT
#415
Wow Serral detonated the bane drop perfectly, that's like a bowling strike
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
December 08 2019 22:28 GMT
#416
On December 09 2019 07:25 Calliope wrote:
How good do you think Serral would be if he was a terran, for example? Or take Clem, would he have the results of Reynor had he been zerg?


Still would've won a few WCS but not the 6 he's won. Maybe GSL vs TW and homestory cup. No way he would have won blizzcon.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 08 2019 22:33 GMT
#417
Well at least SK took a map, it's better than I expected
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 08 2019 22:33 GMT
#418
DO IT SERRAL
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 08 2019 22:34 GMT
#419
On December 09 2019 07:33 Nakajin wrote:
Well at least SK took a map, it's better than I expected


They also lost to Zhugeliang which is worse than expected.
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria837 Posts
December 08 2019 22:34 GMT
#420
Could colossi help against this ling/baneling army? There has to be a better unit composition to deal with this...
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